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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: Libralady on Sunday 23 July 17 22:37 BST (UK)
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Anyone have any info on the Housely family from Greasley/Newthorpe area in the 1800's onwards.
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Hi
Which Housely family - names/birthyears etc please. Also - please include what info you already have in the way of census/BMD records so we don't waste time duplicating
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My father's family were from that area, he was Joseph Housely born on March 17th 1921, he was the youngest of 4 children, he had a sister Grace, brother Jim and brother Tom all older born to Joseph and Florence Housley nee Toplis.......My dad's parent's were I believe born in the 1880's in that area, but Florence may have come from Ilkeston and Swingate, Kimberley seems to feature at some point in their lives, info has always been very vague in this family history - I am interested in who my great grand parents are and their parent's etc as far back as I can get.........Do not know where to start to look, freereg will not let me in......libralady
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Florence & Joseph married 1913 - see freebmd www.freebmd.org.uk
Buying a copy of the 1913 marriage cert will give their ages and their respective fathers names and occupations
Have you looked for them on the 1901/1911 censuses to find their parents?
You can search the censuses for free on Family Search
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01egx/
Do you know which years Florence and Joseph died?
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Thanks CaroleW - will try,
Joseph my granddad died around late 60's early 70's maybe I think at Strelley Notts and grandmother was taken to Cloverlands Nursing Home, Nuthall, Notts afterwards, I think she may have died in 1973/74 time......Grandad birthday in April and grandmother in November...
Grace was born in 1909 when Florence was single, Jim in 1915? - Tom in 1917........
I think my great grandfather may have been called Joseph Housley as well, born in Newthorpe area...Libralady
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Their ages will be on their death registrations but there are several deaths in Notts for Florence & Joseph Housley so difficult to determine
There is a 1969 death for a Joseph b 7.4.1888 and a Florence in 1974 born 27.11.1885
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CaroleW - Yes I believe that is the dates of their births and deaths, it is I think them.........But have been on the site and cannot get any further back with ancestors as I do not know names and birthdates........This is going to be difficult....thanks for your help, Libralady...
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I think you need to buy a copy of the 1913 marriage cert to get their fathers names. I cannot find a Florence Toplis birth registration in the December qtr 1885/March qtr 1886 but there is one December qtr 1883
There is a Florence Housley death in 1935 - born 1886
Joseph is easier - only one birth
Joseph Housley June qtr 1888 Basford 7b 126 - GRO online search shows his mothers maiden name was Bradshaw
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See freebmd - William Housley married Sarah Ann Bradshaw - Basford 1883
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Longshot - name could be spelt wrongly
Florence Toplass Dec qtr 1885 Stoke upon Trent 6b 215
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CaroleW - Yes, My granddad Joseph's mother was I believe called Bradshaw and he was one of six children.......He did die in 1969 at Strelley Notts....
My grandmother Florence's family are the ones who are very vague and secretive, she was born I think in Ilkeston, her surname was Toplis, but she did not die in 1935 as I was born in 1945 and can remember her well living in Church Lane Greasley, where my dad grew up, they were very poor.......I married in 1970 and she was at my wedding, she possibly did die in 1974 ......Because of all the secrecy around her is why I would like to find out about her family tree.......well, never mind, thankyou for your help...Libralady
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Take a look at the 1911 entry for Florence Toplis b 1887 Normanton. 7mth old daughter Grace with her
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Yes William and Ann are his parents......heard the names mentioned........Sounds like the Normanton entry is correct as Grace was born in 1909, she was a councillor and became the first lady sheriff of Nottingham 1976/77, was Grace Roberts then........
Having trouble getting into these sites, only just joined and am having teething problems......found 3 Ann Bradshaws and 3 William Bradshaws, but I do not know the whereabouts exactly that they came from originally.....so will have to call it a day.............Many thanks to you.....Libralady
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Grace's birth was registered December qtr 1910
Theory time
Florence may not have been born as Toplis. If her mother married a Toplis she may have taken her stepfathers surname
Or - she was born as Toplis and mum married pre 1891 which is why we can't find her under Toplis in 1891
There is a 1901 entry for Florence Topliss b 1884 Ilkeston working as a servant in Staffs but that profile matches parents Richard & Agnes in 1891
Definitely need that 1913 marriage cert
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Okay, need to get the certificate.......Grandmother Florence Housley nee Topliss was a servant at Strelley Farm, Strelley, Nottingham, owned by the Bradshaws, my granddad's relatives.........That is where I think she became pregnant and left.........this is where the secrecy comes in, as to who the father of Grace is and why granddad Housley who was a grandson of the Bradshaws was asked to marry her, although I know he is not Grace's father........I am trying to find out more about the people who owned this place, but unfortunately do not have enough information about the families on both sides to find out, everybody in the know are deceased, but would not give away any info anyway.........a lot of births seem to have different dates as well as I am sure Grace was born August 24th 1909, marriage and deaths dates are correct though...........well thanks CaroleW, was worth a try......Libralady
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Grace is shown as 7 months old in 1911 and her birth registration is on freebmd in the December qtr 1910
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As mentioned already, Florence Toplis was born in Normanton, Yorkshire (Wakefield regn. district)
Census shows she was the daughter of Robert and Elizabeth.
Robert Toplis, son of Thomas Toplis, married Elizabeth Bloor, dau. of John Bloor, on 28/7/1867 West Hallam, Derbyshire (on Ancestry).
Florence was one of at least 12 children - the GRO's own index shows the first 5 childrens births with mothers maiden name as Bloor, but the next 7 as Blower! The family are living in Ilkeston in 1901.
Florence's birth registered as:
Florence Topliss Mar.qtr.1887 Wakefield (mmn Blower).
We know her birthday was 27th November - in 1939 birthyear is 1887, death as 1885, but clearly it was actually 1886 since her birth reg'd Mar.qtr.1887 (i.e. birth late 1886 or early 1887).
When you are involved in researching your family you need to work back using census, BMD's and parish records (where possible) in conjunction with one another. Only from the census can you learn where your ancestors were actually born and where they lived. Also take into account possible spelling variations of surnames.
Annette
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Don't know if you already have this
Joseph Housley born 7.4. 1888 baptised 6.5. 1888 to Joseph and Sarah Ann , miner at Greasley.
abode Newthorpe.
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SUNFLOWER AND OTHERS CONCERNED - Yes I know a bit more about the Housely's as they were always, Newthorpe, Notts people, I did think my granddad's parent's were Josesph and sarah as she was known, but it came up earlier somewhere as William and Ann so I thought I had got it wrong as there was a William and Ann it would possibly be a brother, there were so many boys, brothers and cousins in the Housley family, such a large family, was so confusing .........My grandfather was a younger brother and my father the youngest so that makes these people so much older or even passed on when I was born so I did not have that much contact with them, very private people who did not care much for children hanging around, to them, children were seen and not heard were always busy working, a right scary lot.........
My grandmother's family were the mystery, I could never fathom things out......I knew somewhere along the line the maternal side of her family came from Scotland, possibly through work and then down to Yorkshire, did not know about Wakefield or Normanton, but was led to believe that grandmother Florence came from Ilkeston and Aunty Grace was conceived whilst she was in Service at the Bradshaw's farm in Strelley, they were all gentlemen farmers, quite well off and were my grandfather's mother's side of the family, he was working there as well and was persuaded to marry her, which made me think that a Bradshaw had probably made her pregnant and wanted it all hush, hush.........But it seems she already had Aunty Grace when she went to work there, so who does Aunty Grace belong to ?......
Now all this information has thrown a different light on the matter I thought it was my grandmother's mother Elizabeth who was the one of 15 children and grandmother Florence was one of 6 and from Ilkeston, that is the mystery and why was grandfather Housley paid to marry her and take on aunty Grace ?..........All so complicated and no-one to ask.........I am also interested to find out about Elizabeth Bloor who married Robert Toplis as I think her own mother's maiden name was Bradshaw who married a Bloor, also originally from Scotland and maybe there was some connection with the Housley family through this, was that why grandmother Florence was sent to work for them ? - Oh the intrigue.........The census do not go back that far so I will have to do some delving through the Parish Church Registers - I will not give up, have only just started working on it, still having teething problems........I have really found out a lot about my grandmother's family though, through yourselves and I am very grateful to you both - will still keep working on it...
Thankyou so much the both of you, for all your help, much appreciated.......Libralady...
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SUNFLOWER AND OTHERS CONCERNED - Yes I know a bit more about the Housely's as they were always, Newthorpe, Notts people, I did think my granddad's parent's were Josesph and sarah as she was known, but it came up earlier somewhere as William and Ann so I thought I had got it wrong as there was a William and Ann it would possibly be a brother, there were so many boys, brothers and cousins in the Housley family, such a large family, was so confusing ........
My grandmother's family, Toplis's were the mystery, I could never fathom things out......I knew somewhere along the line the maternal side of her family came from Scotland, possibly through work and then down to Yorkshire, did not know about Wakefield or Normanton, but was led to believe that grandmother Florence came from Ilkeston, was one of 6 children and she was in Service at the Bradshaw's farm in Strelley............libralady
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Yes William and Ann maybe are his parents, thought there was Joe and Sarah ?......heard the names mentioned........Sounds like the Normanton entry is correct as Grace was born around 1910 ?........
Having trouble getting into these sites, only just joined and am having teething problems......found 3 Ann Bradshaws and 3 William Bradshaws, but I do not know the whereabouts exactly that they came from originally.....so will have to call it a day.............Many thanks to you.....Libralady
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Thanks CaroleW - will try,
Joseph my granddad died around late 60's early 70's maybe I think at Strelley Notts and grandmother was taken to Cloverlands Nursing Home, Nuthall, Notts afterwards, I think she may have died in 1973/74 time......Grandad birthday in April and grandmother in November...
Grace was born in 1910? when Florence was single, Jim in 1915? - Tom in 1917 - Joe 1921 (my dad)........
I think my great grandfather may have been called Joseph Housley as well, born in Newthorpe area...Libralady,
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Yes William and Ann could his parents, thought it was Joe and Sarah though......heard the names mentioned........Sounds like the Normanton entry is correct as Grace was born around 1910?........
Having trouble getting into these sites, only just joined and am having teething problems......found 3 Ann Bradshaws and 3 William Bradshaws, but I do not know the whereabouts exactly that they came from originally.....so will have to call it a day.............Many thanks to you.....Libralady
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Okay, need to get the certificate.......Grandmother Florence Housley nee Topliss was a servant at Strelley Farm, Strelley, Nottingham, owned by the Bradshaws, my granddad's relatives..........I am trying to find out more about the people who owned this place, but unfortunately do not have enough information about the families on both sides to find out, everybody in the know are deceased, but would not give away any info anyway.........a lot of births seem to have different dates as well as I am sure Grace was born August 24th 1909/10, marriage and deaths dates are correct though...........well thanks CaroleW, was worth a try......Libralady
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Thanks CaroleW - will try,
Joseph my granddad died around late 60's maybe 1969 I think at Strelley Notts and grandmother was taken to Cloverlands Nursing Home, Nuthall, Notts afterwards, I think she may have died in 1973/74 time......Grandad birthday in April and grandmother in November...
Grace was born in 1910? when Florence was single, Jim in 1915? - Tom in 1917 - Joe 1921 (my dad)........
I think my great grandfather may have been called Joseph Housley as well, born in Newthorpe area...Libralady,
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CaroleW - Yes, My granddad Joseph's mother was I believe called Bradshaw and he was one of six children.......He did die in 1969 at Strelley Notts....
My grandmother Florence's family are the ones who are very vague and secretive, she lived, I think in Ilkeston, her surname was Toplis, but she did not die in 1935 as I was born in 1945 and can remember her well living in Church Lane Greasley, where my dad grew up, they were very poor.......I married in 1970 and she was at my wedding, she possibly did die in 1974 ......Because of all the secrecy around her is why I would like to find out about her family tree.......well, never mind, thankyou for your help...Libralady
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CaroleW - Yes, My granddad Joseph's mother was I believe called Bradshaw and he was one of six children.......He did die in 1969 at Strelley Notts....
My grandmother Florence's family are the ones who are very vague and secretive, she lived, I think in Ilkeston, her surname was Toplis, but she did not die in 1935 as I was born in 1945 and can remember her well living in Church Lane Greasley, where my dad grew up, they were very poor.......I married in 1970 and she was at my wedding, she possibly did die in 1974 ......Because of all the secrecy around her is why I would like to find out about her family tree.......well, never mind, thankyou for your help...Libralady
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Joseph Housley married Florence Toplis, they had 4 children, Grace, James, Thomas and Joseph (my dad) - A very secretive lot, they were originally from Newthorpe, Swingate at Kimberley and Greasley............were related to the Bradshaw's of Strelley Farm......My grandmother was in service there and met my granddad, they married in 1913 - my aunty Grace was born in 1909/10 when my Grandmother was single.....Who her father was is a mystery and closely guarded secret.....
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Yes William and Ann could be his parents, heard the names mentioned, but thought they were called Joseph and Sarah........Sounds like the Normanton entry is correct as Grace was born in 1910.........
Having trouble getting into these sites, only just joined and am having teething problems......found 3 Ann Bradshaws and 3 William Bradshaws, but I do not know the whereabouts exactly that they came from originally.....so will have to call it a day.............Many thanks to you.....Libralady