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Title: Ann Ralph married 1852
Post by: Brian75 on Saturday 05 August 17 11:21 BST (UK)
Hi trying to find the Maiden name for Ann Ralph
Ann married Henry Byron in 1852 At All Saints Church in Hull
Marriage certificate say that she was a Widow would like to find her maiden name.  Could anyone  Help please
Brian.
Title: Re: Ann Ralph married 1852
Post by: PaulineJ on Saturday 05 August 17 11:30 BST (UK)
did this second marriage produce any offspring?
What years, and what names?

is there no father's name for her on the certificate?

all saints is actually Sculcoates, not Hull

Pauline
Title: Re: Ann Ralph married 1852
Post by: Kay99 on Saturday 05 August 17 11:33 BST (UK)
Looking at the couples children in the 1861 census - the GRO Birth index lists two of them with mother's maiden Thomas - will check the others

Sorry eyes playing up - ignore ::)


Kay
Title: Re: Ann Ralph married 1852
Post by: Annette7 on Saturday 05 August 17 12:12 BST (UK)
They married 24/5/1852 and she is shown as Ann Ralph, widow, father John Thomas, Labourer.    A witness was a Mary Ann Thomas.

Annette
Title: Re: Ann Ralph married 1852
Post by: chempat on Tuesday 08 August 17 07:58 BST (UK)
This is a possible child for them, could be called Henry and a nephew in 1861 census:
Birth
John Henry Byron, mmn Thomas
December quarter 1852  Sculcoates
Ann Ralph born 1810 is easy to find in 1851 with family including a daughter Mary.
Title: Re: Ann Ralph married 1852
Post by: Brian75 on Tuesday 08 August 17 08:16 BST (UK)
Hi
Thank you for the info   But I cannot find any marriage to a Ralph, so I don't know how to go about it now.  Also when married to Byron in 1852 age was down as 37 this would have made her born 1815
Brian
Title: Re: Ann Ralph married 1852
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 08 August 17 08:23 BST (UK)
I'd suggest you have a look back at 1841:

Clean Alley, Sculcoates (same address as in 1851)

George Ralph 30 Sawyer J N[ot born in county]
Ann do 25 Y
Joseph do 12 Y
Bessey do 11 Y
Mary Ann do 8 Y
John do 7 Y
Louisa do 2 Y [Birth reg: Louisa Ralph, Sep qtr 1839 Sculcoates, mmn Thomas]
Title: Re: Ann Ralph married 1852
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 08 August 17 08:32 BST (UK)
Then for George's death you can look at FreeBMD or YorkshireBMD (the latter includes age at death for this period):

George Ralph aged 41 died Sculcoates (Sutton subdistrict), Mar qtr 1850.

He was buried at Sutton on 20 Jan 1850, aged 41, abode 13 Clean Alley, Witham, Hull.
Title: Re: Ann Ralph married 1852
Post by: Annette7 on Tuesday 08 August 17 13:06 BST (UK)
Going back beyond census and BMD records, entering the realms of parish records, you have to be more flexible when looking at spelling of surnames, etc.

Have found the marriage:

George Relfe bachelor, Sawyer married Ann Thomas, spinster, 23/7/1828 Sutton on Hull, Yorkshire - one of the witnesses was John Thomas (can't read the name of the other) (from  Yorkshire Marriages on FindMyPast).

Annette
Title: Re: Ann Ralph married 1852
Post by: chempat on Tuesday 08 August 17 14:05 BST (UK)
If Ann's age on 1841 has been rounded down from 29 to 25, and is correct as 41 in 1851, that 1828 marriage looks good.

Perhaps that age on second marriage was because the groom was quite young?