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Title: charles Warboys m Elizabeth Darnell
Post by: ivorjbody on Monday 07 August 17 07:00 BST (UK)
A friend of mine is trying to produce his tree, but is having no luck. I cannot even see the marriage of the above. Any help pleas?
Title: Re: charles Warboys m Elizabeth Darnell
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 07 August 17 07:05 BST (UK)
Charles Warboys - Elizabeth Darnell ??
Sept Qtr 1858 Caxton  Vol 3b Page 685
Title: Re: charles Warboys m Elizabeth Darnell
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 07 August 17 07:19 BST (UK)
1871? Living in Croyden

Charles Warboys 33  Caprolite Digger b  Croydon, Cambridgeshire
Elizabeth Warboys 30 b Croydon, Cambridgeshire
John H Warboys 11
William Warboys 7
Joseph Warboys 3
Fanny Warboys    1
Title: Re: charles Warboys m Elizabeth Darnell
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 07 August 17 07:23 BST (UK)
Charles in 1841 and 1851 which ties in with father in tree -1851 presumably after his father's death his mother remarriaged  (Charles's marriage cert would confirm his father and his occupation)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQRZ-5Z3
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGCG-WWR
Title: Re: charles Warboys m Elizabeth Darnell
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 07 August 17 07:36 BST (UK)
Charles was born pre civil registration - there is a baptism
Charles Warboys
Baptism     31 Jul 1836 Croydon Cum Clapton,Cambridge
Parents   James and Susan Warboys

However I think his sister Mary Ann was registered in 1846 and on the GRO birth index she is listed with mother's maiden name as Jiggle

MARY  ANN WORBOYS Mothers maiden name  JIGGLE        
GRO Ref March Qtr 1846  CAXTON AND ARRINGTON UNION  Vol 14  Page 30
Title: Re: charles Warboys m Elizabeth Darnell
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 07 August 17 07:44 BST (UK)
Looks a good possibility for Elizabeth Darnell https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRST-WJ1
Title: Re: charles Warboys m Elizabeth Darnell
Post by: ivorjbody on Monday 07 August 17 08:08 BST (UK)
Kay thanks. Sorry to tell you that Worboys and my friends Warboys are different families. There could of course be transcript wrong spelling. So I really have to ignore Jiggle and the two family searches. You have been brilliant. ivor
Title: Re: charles Warboys m Elizabeth Darnell
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 07 August 17 08:21 BST (UK)
Maybe the best way forward would be the marriage cert to confirm Charles's fathers name and his occupation

Kay
Title: Re: charles Warboys m Elizabeth Darnell
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 07 August 17 08:28 BST (UK)
What information does Arthur's birth certificate give - Full details please  ;D. 

You have him born Cambridge (not Cambridgeshire)

This entry ties in with last census married to Martha
WARBOYS, ARTHUR       mmn DARNELL     
1872  June Quarter
CAXTON reg dist  Volume 03B  Page 491
These are the places covered by Caxton RD
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/caxton.html
Title: Re: charles Warboys m Elizabeth Darnell
Post by: ivorjbody on Monday 07 August 17 09:08 BST (UK)
Rosie no idea on Arthur's birth certificate and of course it is Cambridgeshire. Thanks ivor
Title: Re: charles Warboys m Elizabeth Darnell
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 07 August 17 09:57 BST (UK)
Working back to confirm the tree
Birth Dec qtr 1904   
Warboys    Frank mmn Chapman       
Pancras    1b   131

Marriage Dec qtr 1897   
Chapman    Martha       
Warboys    Arthur       
Pancras    1b   95

Arthur, Martha & children in 1911 - Arthurs place of birth Croydoy (sic), Cambridgeshire
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW2N-SJ5
Age 38

1901
Arthur Worboys   29 Yard Labourer bn Croydon, Cambridgeshire
Martha 23   bn Kneesworth, Cambridgeshire
Alice   1 bn Highgate   
William Chapman -Boarder   Single 19 bn Kneesworth, Cambridgeshire

Possible for Arthur

1881
Arthur Worboys
Pauper - Single - Age   8 -  Scholar - born Croydon, Cambridgeshire
Union Workhouse, Caxton
RG11 /1654 f51 p17

1872 birth giving mmn Darnell

Mary Ann Warboys mmn Darnell seems to be the last child with mmn Darnell (Dec qtr 1874) There is a 5 year old Mary Worboys bn Croydon in the workhouse with Arthur  ???  Fanny born 1870 with the same parents is also in the workhouse.

Here they are in 1871 already found by Kay  ;D

1871? Living in Croyden

Charles Warboys 33  Caprolite Digger b  Croydon, Cambridgeshire
Elizabeth Warboys 30 b Croydon, Cambridgeshire
John H Warboys 11
William Warboys 7
Joseph Warboys 3
Fanny Warboys    1

Title: Re: charles Warboys m Elizabeth Darnell
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 07 August 17 10:06 BST (UK)
Why do you doubt this  :-\


Charles in 1841 and 1851 which ties in with father in tree -1851 presumably after his father's death his mother remarriaged  (Charles's marriage cert would confirm his father and his occupation)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQRZ-5Z3
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGCG-WWR

The screen shot you show does not make sense you have Charles bn 1838 with his father born 1832  :-\
Title: Re: charles Warboys m Elizabeth Darnell
Post by: Annette7 on Monday 07 August 17 11:43 BST (UK)
Fact - there is only one Charles Warboys born at Croydon, Cambridgeshire in the relevant time frame and that is the Charles Warboys already mentioned i.e. bp.31/7/1836 son of James and Susan.

Rejecting because of spelling is a wrong thing to do.   At this time the vast majority of people were illiterate and what was written down was done by a registrar, vicar or census enumerator who would simply write it as they thought it was spelt.   You'll find the spelling of names can vary from census to census.

Since full details of the marriage of Charles and Elizabeth are not available online the only way you can know for sure is, as already suggested, obtaining a copy of the marriage certificate to establish father.

James Warboys married Susannah Giggles (?) 10/1/1828 Potton, Bedfordshire (only 7 miles from Croydon).

Going back to the spelling, 2 of James and Susan's children were baptised as Mary Warboise in 1829 and Hannah Warbois in 1830.

With a surname like this one you'll no doubt find lots of spelling variations the further back you go.

Annette

Title: Re: charles Warboys m Elizabeth Darnell
Post by: ivorjbody on Monday 07 August 17 12:08 BST (UK)
Rosie thanks I don't know how you all do it Thanks Ivor 86 year old.