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Michael Kiely born 1874 Kilrush, but died in Cork in the 1960's.
I have found a death record for a Michael Kiely who died in 1965 aged abt 81, but as I have discovered a lot of people didn't know their real age !!
This Michael died in St Patrick's Hospital, Cork City, was married, and his address was shown as Fr. Dominics Road, Ballyphehane.
I was wondering if it's possible to search the electoral registers for the 1960's at that address, to see if it shows his wife's name.
Thanks for any info or help.
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Hi and welcome to rootschat ;D
Have you checked out the Irish census if he was born in 1874, then it is likely he will be married in 1901/1911 and that will show his wife/childrens names? There are 4 pages of people his name I put age '25' so it gives 5 yrs each side of that and of course you can see the image of the census too http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie
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Hi, thanks for your reply. This Michael is proving to be quite elusive...his parents had moved to Limerick by 1901, but he wasn't with them on either census. As you said, he may have been married by then, but too many Michaels to check !
He had a daughter in 1935, so he must have had a much younger wife (maybe a second one) We can't find the daughter's birth details either, so it's all very intriguing.
This info has been word of mouth, so some of it could be taken with a pinch of salt.
However, I was hoping if the electoral registers could be checked it may even show his daughter, before she came to England in the 60's.
Thanks again
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Have you looked for the daughter's birth, her mother's maiden name may be in the index.
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?page=1&countryId=1927084
Or do you know the mother's name, if so look for the marriage and it will say if he is a widower
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
Sorry I didn't read carefully enough, you can't find the daughter's birth.
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You say Michael was born Kilrush 1874
Is Jeremiah his father a shoemaker
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03133/2148973.pdf
There is a marriage of a Michael Kiely widower, Postman, father Jeremiah, a shoemaker in Sept 1930 Fermoy to Frances Duggan. His age is 50 but he could have knocked a few years off.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1930/09047/5273692.pdf
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I know this is the basics however sometimes regardless of how experienced we are it can help to be reminded of the basics http://www.corkpastandpresent.ie/genealogy/traceyourcorkancestors/
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Sinann...you have found him ! His father was Jeremiah. Thank you very much for finding another piece of our jigsaw puzzle.
I will do a search later for children for Michael & Frances.
:)
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Frances 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Templemologa/Sraharla/438463/
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I know this is the basics however sometimes regardless of how experienced we are it can help to be reminded of the basics http://www.corkpastandpresent.ie/genealogy/traceyourcorkancestors/
Thanks for the link iluleah
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Frances 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Templemologa/Sraharla/438463/
Thanks...I found that too :)
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Great find Sinann :)
I am sure you will now find this lin50 but I think this may be Frances' death - listed as Francis in 1957
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1957/04395/4143421.pdf
Heywood
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Great find Sinann :)
I am sure you will now find this lin50 but I think this may be Frances' death - listed as Francis in 1957
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1957/04395/4143421.pdf
Heywood
Yes, thanks Heywood, I did find that. Having a problem with finding any children for her and Michael :( ...but there is a daughter Bernadette born 1934/35.
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We can't post names of living people, so their child deceased?
There is a Mary B in 1933 but mother's maiden name isn't listed.
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Great find Sinann :)
I am sure you will now find this lin50 but I think this may be Frances' death - listed as Francis in 1957
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1957/04395/4143421.pdf
Heywood
Pure luck, it was the second marriage I looked at and with only one Michael Kiely born in Kilrush in 1874 cross checking was simple.
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What is the source of Michael's birth in Kilrush 1874
there is a Bernadette born in Limerick mother Killeen
There is a marriage 1914 for a Michael Kiely
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1914/09868/5584653.pdf
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We can't post names of living people, so their child deceased?
There is a Mary B in 1933 but mother's maiden name isn't listed.
Yes Bernadette is dead now. I have found quite a few alternatives but as you said no mother's maiden name. I was also hoping to find a son named Jeremiah, as Michael's father...not such a common name, but if Michael had been married before he could already have a son named that.
Maybe there are children with Frances's family names...will keep checking.
Thanks again
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What is the source of Michael's birth in Kilrush 1874
there is a Bernadette born in Limerick mother Killeen
There is a marriage 1914 for a Michael Kiely
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1914/09868/5584653.pdf
We have the birth record for Michael with his father Jeremiah.
I also found that Bernadette, and the marriage quite a while ago, but the father's name is incorrect.
Thanks for your reply though
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I think what dathai means is how do you know the Kilrush Michael is the correct one?
The usual progression is to find the child's marriage to get father's name, than birth to get mother's name.
It's a bit odd to start with the father's birth and work forwards, unless of course you have worked back to him via a child of his first marriage.
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I think what dathai means is how do you know the Kilrush Michael is the correct one?
The usual progression is to find the child's marriage to get father's name, than birth to get mother's name.
It's a bit odd to start with the father's birth and work forwards, unless of course you have worked back to him via a child of his first marriage.
hi, we have worked backwards with the family, as far as Jeremiah. Michael is one of the children we are having a problem with. He was Jeremiah's first child of 11
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Makes sense now.
Do you know how old Michael was when the family moved to Limerick, it's just I was looking at this guy.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Mitchelstown/Upper_Cork_Street/439465/
Mitchelstown is the address on the marriage to Francis but he says born Limerick.
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Makes sense now.
Do you know how old Michael was when the family moved to Limerick, it's just I was looking at this guy.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Mitchelstown/Upper_Cork_Street/439465/
Mitchelstown is the address on the marriage to Francis but he says born Limerick.
sorry for the short reply earlier, I had to rush out for an appt.
we often laugh at how the old families didn't have a clue where they were born or how old they were, but I guess they didn't keep track.
On 1901 census Michael's parents and 5 of his children were all shown as being born in Limerick.
We know at least 4 of them were born in Kerry, and the last 3 were born in Limerick. Unsure on 3 of them, and Michael was born in Kilrush, Clare.
The Michael you found could be right as he was a postman...as shown on his later marriage.
Been doing this family tree for years, but being Irish it's quite slow work, and can be quite expensive, so it's been very helpful having the help here.
Thanks again.
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I'm getting confused now.
Michael's parents are Jeremiah and Elizabeth.
This looks like them in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Glin/Main_Street/633952/
This seems to be the same family but the mother is Bridget
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Glin/Glin_Village/1505186/
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I'm getting confused now.
Michael's parents are Jeremiah and Elizabeth.
This looks like them in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Glin/Main_Street/633952/
This seems to be the same family but the mother is Bridget
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Glin/Glin_Village/1505186/
lol...now you know how I feel.
Her name was Elizabeth Bridget Hanrahan. (or even Bridget Elizabeth ? ) They were married in 1873 in Limerick.
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when I checked Michael's wife Frances's death again, from the link heywood sent, it shows their address at what looks like Upper Cork St. Mitchelstown.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1957/04395/4143421.pdf
On the 1911 census link from sinann, Michael and his first wife were living at Upper Cork St.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Mitchelstown/Upper_Cork_Street/439465/
looks like a match !
hope the links work :-[
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If you have a Ancestry sub, they have Appointment books for Postmen, it just gives the name and year, not terribly useful but nice to have. I got my grandfather's two appointments on one of their free weekends, it was nice to get as it confirmed when he became a postman and when he was appointed to the town they finally settled in.
Oh and the link is fine, and yes looks good, I just can't find a death for Margaret but lots of deaths never got registered.
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If you have a Ancestry sub, they have Appointment books for Postmen, it just gives the name and year, not terribly useful but nice to have. I got my grandfather's two appointments on one of their free weekends, it was nice to get as it confirmed when he became a postman and when he was appointed to the town they finally settled in.
Oh and the link is fine, and yes looks good, I just can't find a death for Margaret but lots of deaths never got registered.
thanks for the link, I'll check it later. I can't find Margaret either, but thanks for looking.