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Title: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: Cambridge on Monday 07 August 17 15:42 BST (UK)
Hello,
I'm trying to trace some information about Edith Ella Fields - my great aunt.

Born in 1896/7, she was 5 at the time of the 1901 census. However that's all I can find about her, no death record, marriage record, nothing else. She was the daughter of George (My Great Grandfather) and Clara Fields (Nee Kilby).

There is a chance she did marry a Mr Young but again, I can't find any trace! Am I looking in the wrong place?

I don't suppose anyone can shed any light on this or help please? It seems the whole family was out when the 1911 census was done because I can't find a single one of them! All twelve of them!!

Any help would be much appreciated...

Thanks!
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: PaulineJ on Monday 07 August 17 15:45 BST (UK)
list all 12 from the 1891/1901 census and we'll see if we can find some leads for you in 1911.
We won't be able to do a a lookup though

Births Jun 1896   
Field    Edith Ella        Biggleswade    3b   365
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 07 August 17 15:51 BST (UK)
FindMyPast has them as FILEDS in 1911
Ancestry has them as Fields

Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: Cambridge on Monday 07 August 17 16:05 BST (UK)
Fileds! Found them ha ha!! Thank you so much!

However Edith Ella isn't on this census. She was 5 in 1901 so should have been 15. I can't find any death record for her still. I don't suppose you have a suggestion as to where else I should lok do you please?

Thank you!!
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: Cambridge on Monday 07 August 17 16:07 BST (UK)
Also thank you Pauline for finding that - I was beginning to think I'd made her up!
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: NettieS on Monday 07 August 17 16:14 BST (UK)


There is a 1911 census for a Edith Ella Field born in Biggleswade, Bedfordshire aged 15. She is a domestic servant living and working in the household of William Joynes, Southgate, New Southgate N, Middlesex.
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: NettieS on Monday 07 August 17 16:23 BST (UK)


There is also a death record for a Edith Ella Field, 19th January 1942, Miles Platting, Metropolitan Borough of Manchester, Greater Manchester.
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: Cambridge on Monday 07 August 17 16:24 BST (UK)
Found her! Thank you so very much!

It's funny - our name switched from 'Field' to 'Fields' around 1800 and it seems as if it swiched back in the eyes of the census takers!

And I wonder if that's her death record. If so, she's the second daughter to die relatively young :(

I really appreciate your help, thank you so much!
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 07 August 17 17:04 BST (UK)
The census takers work from written records completed by the family or someone on their behalf.  The birth registrations for the children of George & Clara change from Field to Fields with no particular pattern as to why.
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: bedfordshire boy on Monday 07 August 17 21:11 BST (UK)
The Edith E Field who died in Manchester in 1942 was aged 57, so looks 10 years too  old to be yours.
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: Cambridge on Monday 07 August 17 21:21 BST (UK)
Ah thank you. I wonder what happened to her!
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 07 August 17 21:25 BST (UK)
The 1939 National Register has an Ethel Ellen Fields, born 1896, living in Bury St Edmunds?
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: Cambridge on Monday 07 August 17 21:37 BST (UK)
It's definitely Edith Ella on both censuses I'm afraid.

I'm writing a book for my dad on his family as it seemed that my grandad and his siblings just grew up and scattered to the winds! He also went missing for six months during the war, served at Dunkirk and Monte Cassino so there are lots of stories to dig up I think!
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: Cambridge on Wednesday 09 August 17 12:00 BST (UK)
Having looked at some other documents, I believe she was known as Elsie later on and may have married a Mr Young with a connection to Kettering. I can't find any marriage or death record for her though?
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: bedfordshire boy on Wednesday 09 August 17 12:54 BST (UK)
There's an Elsie M Fields married Joseph L Young in Kettering registration district in the Dec quarter 1933. You need the marriage cert to see if her  named father ties up with what you know about Edith. However living in Luton in 1939 was Joseph L Young b 1908_ and Elsie M Young (Smith) born 1914 who might be the same couple
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: Cambridge on Wednesday 09 August 17 14:17 BST (UK)
Ooh thank you!

I'll look into this possibility! I have GenesReunited and have searched all through there and paid for docs etc so I promise I'm not just being lazy!!

There's 9 of them in total and I have a date and place of death for a few and a spouses name I found in an article about my GDads funeral but very little details besides! It's so frustrating!
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 09 August 17 14:24 BST (UK)
Isn't that Elsie M Fields (Young)too young  :-\


I'm trying to trace some information about Edith Ella Fields - my great aunt.

Born in 1896/7,
She was the daughter of George (My Great Grandfather) and Clara Fields (Nee Kilby).

There is a chance she did marry a Mr Young but again, I can't find any trace! Am I looking in the wrong place?


Birth was registered June qtr 1896 so born before 30 June 1896
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: MaureeninNY on Wednesday 09 August 17 14:30 BST (UK)
A tree on A*try has her marrying a Henry C BIRD Jun Qtr 1920 Bedford and dying Dec Qtr 1925 Aylesbury.

No idea if it's correct or not!

Maureen
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 09 August 17 14:44 BST (UK)
There are Field/Bird children being born Bedford RD up to 1927  :-\

Henry C Bird
Jun 1920
Bedford
Spouse Edith E Field
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: Cambridge on Wednesday 09 August 17 14:51 BST (UK)
Again being tripped up with the Field/Fields!

I think this could be her as another brother moved to Bedford as well. Maybe this one didn't die in 1925 after all...

Thank you so much all for your help. I need to see that marriage certificate to see if it has further details!
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 09 August 17 14:57 BST (UK)
Deaths Sep 1934 
Bird    Edith E    age 44    Bedford    3b   291
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 09 August 17 14:59 BST (UK)
I think that this is probably that one
Births Sep 1890
Field    Edith Emily
Bedford    3b   315
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: Cambridge on Wednesday 09 August 17 15:02 BST (UK)
Ahhhh - the Bedford route dies :(

The Rev Joynes she worked for (thanks NettieS!) moved to Harlow after his church was destroyed in the blitz so I presume she married and thats where we lose her. Or indeed before that since I dont know who she married or if....
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: Cambridge on Wednesday 09 August 17 15:05 BST (UK)
In fact what I need is the 1921 Census.... and that won't be out for a long time yet :(
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: MaureeninNY on Wednesday 09 August 17 15:08 BST (UK)
I think that this is probably that one
Births Sep 1890
Field    Edith Emily
Bedford    3b   315

Darn A*try trees! ::) I shouuld have looked more carefully. Sorry.

Oh well,at least Rosie caught it!

Maureen
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 09 August 17 15:46 BST (UK)
I think that this is probably that one
Births Sep 1890
Field    Edith Emily
Bedford    3b   315

Darn A*try trees! ::) I shouuld have looked more carefully. Sorry.

Oh well,at least Rosie caught it!

Maureen

I don't tend to look at them but feel that I should as they often help like in this case if only to eliminate  ;D
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: bedfordshire boy on Wednesday 09 August 17 16:30 BST (UK)
Isn't that Elsie M Fields (Young)too young  :-\



Yes Rosie she is! Which is one reason why I question whether Edith Ella Fields and Elsie M Fields are the same person

David
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 09 August 17 16:49 BST (UK)
Isn't that Elsie M Fields (Young)too young  :-\



Yes Rosie she is! Which is one reason why I question whether Edith Ella Fields and Elsie M Fields are the same person

David

Sorry David  :-[   ;D
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: bedfordshire boy on Wednesday 09 August 17 17:05 BST (UK)
No apology necessary Rosie. I didn't spell out that I had reservations.
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 09 August 17 17:23 BST (UK)
I wonder if she could be known as Ellen rather than Ella  :-\

Free search 1939
Edith Ellen   Field (Fields)   1896   
Bury St Edmunds M.B.   Suffolk

By playing with the search she was born in June 1896.

Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: NettieS on Wednesday 09 August 17 17:24 BST (UK)

There are two tree's on GRU, one has a Edith Field born Bedford 1896 and the other has a Edith Fields born Biggleswade 1896.
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: NettieS on Wednesday 09 August 17 18:07 BST (UK)


Bit of a long shot here, there is a marriage for a Edith E Field 1917 Southwark, London to a John Helson.
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 09 August 17 19:18 BST (UK)
Mum Clara died 7 Nov 1944
Report of the funeral in the Biggleswade Chronicle, Friday 17 November 1944
DEATH OF MRS. C. FIELD
The death occurred on November 7th of Mrs. Clara Field, of 65, Potton Road, at  the age of 79 years. Mrs. Field formerly lived in Sandy opposite the Station and later in Ivel Lane. Her husband, a platelayer on the railway, died about six years ago.
The funeral took place at Sandy Cemetery on Friday, the Rev. J. Rigden Green (Baptist pastor) officiating.
The mourners were: Mr. G. Field, Mr. and Mrs. B. Field, Mr. and Mrs. C. Field, Mr. P. Field, Mr. F. Field, Mrs. L. Field (sons and daughters-in-law), Mrs. Ferman and Mrs Craddock (daughters), Mr. F. Field, Mr. and Mrs. T. Kilby (brothers-in-law and sisters-in-law), Sister Nancy, Mr. and Mrs. L. Young. Mr. L. Field was unable to attend owing to service overseas.
Wreaths were from all the relatives, Mrs. Pates and family, Trinity Sisterhood, Mrs. Mead, Mrs. Pepper, the twins Peter and Ann, and the Field family at Havelock Road.
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 09 August 17 20:58 BST (UK)
So all the family gathered for Clara's funeral in 1944. Was Edith Ella there?
How many daughters did George and Clara have?
1. Ida May Field, born 1893
She might have married George Arnott in Biggleswade district, Sep 1921 (Ida M Fields)
If so, a possible death, Dec 1937, Bedford
Ida May Arnott, age 44

2. Edith Ella Field, born 1896

3. Violet Louisa Fields, born 1901, registered Sep qtr.
It looks like she could have married Albert J Fermor in Tonbridge in 1923? Thus she would be Mrs "Ferman", one of the daughters mentioned in the newspaper.
Death, August 1989, Brighton
Violet Louisa Fermor, d-o-b 9 June 1901

If there were no more daughters, that would leave Mrs Craddock.
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 09 August 17 21:11 BST (UK)
If there were no more daughters, that would leave Mrs Craddock.

Spoke too soon!
Birth, Sep 1912 Biggleswade
Fields, Doris Clara
mother Kilby

Marriage, Dec 1938 Edmonton
Craddock, John G. R. V.
Fields, Doris C.
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: MaureeninNY on Wednesday 09 August 17 21:23 BST (UK)
Oooh! Good idea to hunt for the obits,John.

Found this:
Biggleswade Chronicle October 21, 1938

Article about the death of George Fields.....he leaves a widow,six sons (all named) and three daughters,Mrs. Fermor,of Brighton,Miss Doris Fields,Londom,and Mrs. Young of Kettering.

Maureen
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: MaureeninNY on Wednesday 09 August 17 21:30 BST (UK)
One of the floral tributes was from Elsie and Len and grandchildren (Kettering).

Maureen
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 09 August 17 21:51 BST (UK)
Mr and Mrs L Young were at Clara's funeral, but it didn't say who they were. It seems to lead back to the Joseph L Young - Elsie M Fields marriage in 1933

However living in Luton in 1939 was Joseph L Young b 1908_ and Elsie M Young (Smith) born 1914 who might be the same couple

This might be her birth then -
June 1914 Biggleswade 3b 579
Fields, Elsie May   
mother Fields
(has the dreaded dash on the new index)

So it looks like Elsie was the daughter of either Ida May or Edith Ella. Possibly George and Clara might have brought her up?
Elsie having the middle name May might make Ida the more likely mother, but not necessarily.
John
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: bedfordshire boy on Thursday 10 August 17 12:49 BST (UK)
I tend to agree that Elsie M Fields was the granddaughter of Clara Fields. But there's clearly an  inconsistency between the two funeral reports - she wasn't both the daughter as reported in the 1938 funeral report and an unnamed relative, probably grandddaughter, as reported in the 1944 report.

Yet the floral tributes included Elsie Len and grandchildren (of Edith's father George), which implies that Elsie was George's daughter. Perhaps to hide Elsie's illegitimacy she was brought up as George and Clara's child

I think Edith may have died prior to 1938 - the reports list relatives left by the deceased, not the total number of children. The death of Edith E Bird in Aylesbury age 29 fits perfectly with an 1896  birth. To stand any chance of sorting out this mess I think you need to invest in a few certificates Elsie's birth and marriage to Mr Young, and Edith's marriage to Henry Bird for a start.

Good luck!

David
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 10 August 17 14:00 BST (UK)
Got her!
Marriage, Sep 1915 Romford 4a 1541
Dorrington, Harold
Field, Edith E.

Death, June 1919 Romford 4a 434
Dorrington, Edith Ella
age 24

Biggleswade Chronicle, 30 May 1919
Deaths
DORRINGTON.óAt Rainham, Essex, on May 23rd, Edith Ella Dorringlon, of Sandy, aged 23 years.

Obituary.
We much regret to record the death of Mrs. Edith Ella Dorrington, from tuberculosis, after an illness of seven months, at the early age of 23 years. The deceased was the second daughter of Mr. G. Field, of Ivel Road, Sandy, and resided at 18, Devonshire Terrace, Rainham, Essex, where she died, the body being conveyed by motor car from Rainham to Sandy on Monday. The funeral took place on Tuesday, the 27th, the mourners being Mr. H. Dorrington (husband), Mr. and and Mrs. Field (father and mother), Mr. and Mrs. H. Field (brother and sister-in-law). Misses Ida and Violet Field (sisters), Messrs. Frederick, Percy and Cecil Field (brothers), Mrs. Roberts (aunt), Mrs. Davis and Mrs. Turner, of Bedford (cousins),. Mr. and Mrs. Brown, Langford (uncle and aunt), Mrs. Rogers Langford (aunt), and Mrs. Thompson, of  Rainham. The polished elm coffin, with gilt fittings, was conveyed to the Parish Church in a glazed hearse, followed by coaches  containing the mourners. After the service in Church the body was taken to the Cemetery for interment. The Rev. A. Huggins officiated throughout. The inscription on the coffin was: Edith Ella Dorrington, born 11th March, 1896, died 23rd May, 1919. The undertakers were Mr. H. Barkiss. of Rainham, and Messrs. G. and H. Seamer, of Sandy. The deceased leaves a husband and a daughter and son to mourn her loss. There were some beautiful wreaths sent by relatives and friends.
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 10 August 17 14:14 BST (UK)
Well done Jon  ;D   ;D
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: Cambridge on Friday 11 August 17 17:08 BST (UK)
Hello,

Apologies for the delay in replying - for some reason it didnt send me any notifications!

Well, if I could hug each and every one of you I would - thank you so, so much for your help in solving this mystery. I'm actually a little bit choked up to read the report of her funeral.

Thats two of the daughters who died young, sadly.

There was George, Herbert (Bert), Percy, Cecil, Laurence, Violet, Doris, Edith and Ida May. We know very little about any of them but I'm determined to keep digging!!

The Mr L Fields who was serving overseas at the time of her funeral was my Grandad Lawrence.

Thank you so, so much! I am so very grateful!
xxx
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: Cambridge on Friday 11 August 17 17:08 BST (UK)
Oh and Frederick too. Sorry Great Uncle Fred... :/
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Post by: Patricia Standish on Monday 09 April 18 20:11 BST (UK)
Edith Ella Fields Dorrington was my grandmother. Elsie Fields was my mother. I obviously have all information on both.
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Post by: Patricia Standish on Monday 09 April 18 20:18 BST (UK)
Hello Cambridge. You are obviously a cousin of mine through the Fields side of the family. I have info on Doris Fields ( Edith Ellaís sister) as well.
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Post by: Cambridge on Monday 09 April 18 20:40 BST (UK)
Oh wow! Thatís incredible! I will message you!!!
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Post by: Patricia Standish on Monday 09 April 18 21:52 BST (UK)
Looking forward to hearing from you. Do you message on this site?  I am new to Rootschat, and am not sure how their messaging works. 
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: Cambridge on Monday 09 April 18 22:08 BST (UK)
Oh yes - if you look towards the top it says Ďmy messagesí and Iíve messaged you!
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Post by: Patricia Standish on Tuesday 10 April 18 03:18 BST (UK)
I have a photo of Edith Ella. And Doris. Also of course Elsie May Fields. And I suppose you already know that Clara Fieldsí (my great grandmother) maiden name was Kilby. I hope I receive your replies. So far I have not. I might be clicking on the wrong thing.
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Post by: KGarrad on Tuesday 10 April 18 05:24 BST (UK)
There's a RootsChat Help topic on Personal Messages here:

http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: Cambridge on Tuesday 10 April 18 07:08 BST (UK)
A photo of Edith!! Thatís amazing! I have sent you another message.
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Post by: Cambridge on Tuesday 10 April 18 14:41 BST (UK)
I have sent you another message. Thank you.
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Post by: Boofleman on Saturday 01 September 18 11:09 BST (UK)
Hello jonx65, Edith's son was my father, Harold George Dorrington. His sister was Elsie.
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: Boofleman on Saturday 01 September 18 11:12 BST (UK)
Hello Patricia Standish. Edith Ella Field was my grandmother. My father, her son, was Harold George Dorrington.
You say you have a photo of Edith Ella. Would you share it with me?
Thanks
Graham Dorrington
Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: Cambridge on Saturday 01 September 18 12:25 BST (UK)
Hello Graham,

Iím your first cousin! Itís nice to meet you. My grandfather was Lawrence - Edith Ellaís brother.

Iíve emailed Tricia to let her know about your reply so she will be along shortly. Iím glad you posted :)

Title: Re: Edith Ella Fields?
Post by: Patricia Standish on Saturday 01 September 18 17:01 BST (UK)
Hello Graham. Amazing to hear from you. Tracy let me know, and so did Diana.  She sent me your email address. I shall email you shortly and include the photo of Edith Ella.
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Post by: Boofleman on Saturday 01 September 18 19:08 BST (UK)
Hello Cambridge. What a surprise! Cousins, eh !!!

Tricia has my email address so ask her for it and, if you would like, drop me a line.

All the best
Graham