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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: jnu on Monday 07 August 17 16:48 BST (UK)
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Just wondered if anyone with little or some known Romany ancestry has had an autosomal DNA test and would be willing to share there results? I think there have been similar threads on this site but no real answers.
Thanks :D
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Hi,
Read the post from c5el on this board, you may find it of some interest.
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Hi,
I have yet to solidly confirm my Romany DNA (small amounts of South Asia and Balochistan) but this might be of interest to you
(Not sure if you're supposed to post threads from other websites but its from a genetics website not genealogy, so maybe it's ok ???) http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?4884-Do-I-(or-my-father)-have-some-gypsy-roma-ancestry-Second-opinion/page3
It would be good if someone could set up a DNA comparison of people with confirmed Romany ancestry and others who just suspect (anyone let me know if someone already has! as most of the groups I've seen are only for people who are already confirmed Romany)
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I have had my DNA tested and have gypsy ancestors (Gray/Elliott family).
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:) thank you all for the replies. Im intrigued to see if people with some Romany ancestry are showing Eastern European, Middle East and Caucus percentages on ancestry and FTDNA. I have uploaded my results to gedmatch and there's a small percent of south Asian dna.
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FTDNA have me as 97% British, and the rest made up of South Asian, Eastern Europe and Middle East.
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Here is my GEDmatch mdlp test resuts using myAncestryDNA test raw data. Im told i have Kale/Romanichal ancestors with surnames like Wood, Baxter, Hicks, Wallingsford etc, and the south central asian seems to support this. On Ancestry dna neither the asian or native american dna shows up. I dont know enough about these dna tests to say why that is.
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Here is my GEDmatch mdlp test resuts using myAncestryDNA test raw data. Im told i have Kale/Romanichal ancestors with surnames like Wood, Baxter, Hicks, Wallingsford etc, and the south central asian seems to support this. On Ancestry dna neither the asian or native american dna shows up. I dont know enough about these dna tests to say why that is.
In the ancestryDNA faqs/info. It says
'Trace Regions are regions where the estimated range includes zero and does not go above 15%, or where the predicted percentage is less than 4.5%. Since there is only a small amount of evidence that you have genetic ethnicity from these regions, it is possible that you may not have genetic ethnicity from them at all. This is not uncommon,...'
It's probably best to take the low per cent results with a pinch of salt or even ignore them altogether.
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Whoops. Posted wrong results. These are the mdlp 23b results, sorry all. Im forum challenged.
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Sorry, should have added in my post. Welcome to rootchat TB1977
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My husband who is a Holland, his Ancestry DNA ethnicity is 97% Great Britain, 1% Ireland, <1% Finland / Northwest Russia, <1% Caucasus.
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From what i been reading Jhols hubbys dna is fairly typical of Romnichal dna results. From what i read Rom from the UK average 0-10% south asian and tend to have trace regions showing migration through finland, eastrn europe etc.
The more western ya go from Rajastan the less indian dna gypsies have. Balkan Vitsa are averaging 20-30% or less. However there are haplogroup markers that seem to be very common to Roma and not other European ethnic groups.
A study was released recently... ill try to find it and link
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The Y Haplo group associated with the Romany is Y Haplo H
H Haplo Group Project - Y-DNA Classic Chart
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/YHaploGroupH?iframe=yresults
Welcome to rootschat too Jhol. Do your Holland ancestors originate in Lancashire?
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...Leicester University did a DNA study on the British Romany
The British Romany Project
http://www2.le.ac.uk/projects/impact-of-diasporas/projects-1/the-romany-in-britain-project
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Great posts everyone! This is so interesting.
My last known Romani ancestors came from Scotland and adopted the popular surname Campbell. I do get trace results of Middle East, North African, Caucasus, Mediterranean, Greek, Southern European and Iberian depending on the site. When i use GEDmatch i usually get close approximations to Greek/Italy. It Should be known on my mother's side i am 100% Ashkenazi Jewish. So not sure how this skews the results.
Anyway I am definitely proud of my background and would love to learn more and spread as much knowledge on to others.
Sincerely, Robert Berkley Reuven Campbell
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Great responses :) thank you all.
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My last known Romani ancestors came from Scotland and adopted the popular surname Campbell. I do get trace results of.....
Hi and welcome to rootschat
I'm curious. How do you know your ancestors 'adopted' a surname?
Trace results under 15% are unreliable.
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I'd say to assimilate they took on the name of the local clan at the time. Campbell as a name has been around for far longer than my ancestors were in the country. I know the idea of a surname in and of itself is relatively new, also my haplogroup doesn't match a typical Scottish person. I have matches with people from India. I am waiting on ftDNA to decipher and decode my y-dna further.
All evidence seems to suggest to what I am eluding. I just found it very interesting.
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I'd say to assimilate they took on the name of the local clan at the time. Campbell as a name has been around for far longer than my ancestors were in the country. I know the idea of a surname in and of itself is relatively new, also my haplogroup doesn't match a typical Scottish person. I have matches with people from India. I am waiting on ftDNA to decipher and decode my y-dna further.
All evidence seems to suggest to what I am eluding. I just found it very interesting.
If you have 'matches with people from India' it might also suggest a colonial history. For example the British army/navy (sepoys?) or merchant trading between Britain and India. There is a large British/Indian community in India with many mixed marriages going back many generations.
This example dates back to at least Bengal in 1775
http://www.bbc.co.uk/whodoyouthinkyouare/past-stories/alistair-mcgowan.shtml
Yes it is interesting, but I guess a problem is that unless we have a close match with someone else to give us a clue, we have a very broad time frame for the dates when our Mr 'Y Haplo' ancestor migrated. He could have migrated during a more recent British Empire 'colonial' history, or during the period when the Romany migrated into Europe or even during a more distant time period, like the Roman Empire for example or even beyond that?