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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: dobfarm on Friday 11 August 17 08:30 BST (UK)
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Anyone or locals of Bolsover have any ideas as where is Ockley
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7SB-9GC
Residence note in Fanny Cutts 1841c family residence Bolsover above link
First entry left column page 103
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112053400583;view=1up;seq=57
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In the 1851 census she's in Hockley - presumably the same place.
See photo http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;DCHQ001811&pos=2&action=zoom
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Hi ShaunJ
That's brilliant, I was going stare crazy last night looking at old maps.
Really grateful, much appreciated
Thanks :D
Dobby :)
Edited: ps ~ I can remember now! -Dad & granddad Herbert Tidmarsh use to take me & big bro to Craggs Rd (hill) Bolsover as a kid age 6 ish to visit relo's in a hillside cottage after fishing in a pond in Bolsover, its vague, bit I can remember a stone sink in a cupboard in a recess at the side of a old black leaded fire with oven in a cellar -right dump I thought after our brand new council house.
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it's complicated to describe where it is, best clue I've got is my grandma telling us that her grandad lived near the Cundy house, which makes it the area between Houghton road and Hill top, everything altered when the wimpys went up zoom in on this one and look to the left of the number 499 http://maps.nls.uk/view/101600733
then compare with this to get your bearings
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Bolsover,+Chesterfield/@53.2330015,-1.2959236,339m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x4879998b6f924521:0xb0897492390a1a86!8m2!3d53.231044!4d-1.2897209
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this is pretty cool as well georeferenced so the cursor on the old map moves it on the new map to the same place
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=18&lat=53.2319&lon=-1.2947&layers=168&right=BingHyb
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From vague memory my relo's lived here up Craggs road ( knows local as just Craggs), but had no idea it was called Hockley
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It was Cutt central round there
My GG Grandad was your Great grandma's youngest brother
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What I can confirm
Registration district Chesterfield-Sub district Bolsover in the county of Derby
Birth Certificate, of Mary Cutt
10th June 1846 Long Duckmanton - Mary- Girl- Fathers name George Cutt - Mother Elizabeth Cutt formerly Trickett- Fathers Occupation Agricultural labourer, person of informant Elizabeth Cutt left her mark - register 24th June 1846- Registrar Olinithus Stevenson
(I can't copy GRO certificates images - Copyrights etc)
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PR
Marriage 1843
George Cutts X Elizabeth Trickett at St Thomas Brampton (Old Brampton) Derbyshire (near Chesterfield)
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PR
Marriage 1810
George Cutt x Frances Fox -both of Scarcliffe .
Hope PRs and certificate images info of Mary Cutt will help in your family history endeavours :)
(Right click on an image and then click 'save to pictures' or 'save picture as' -depends on your running system you use)
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thanks for that , my GG grandfather was William , youngest son of George and Elizabeth , He Married Mary Ann Smith from Holdingham 27th Oct 1878
My great grandfather was Frederick William, their youngest son (Marr . Elsie Elizabeth Dean April 1903) and my Nana was their daughter
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I see William was a widower at marriage to Mary Ann Smith - Have you researched his first marriage
Suggest if you have a quit few marriages you want copies of.
A lot of marriages are in the parish registers exactly the same as GRO at Matlock Derbyshire county records office, was 50p for a copy, could save you pounds on sending for certificates.(unless you want certificates for display purpose) They have their own car park or X 17 bus Chesterfield to Matlock. Sheffield archives are the same for PR marriages in their area 20p a copy - Both archives & within reasonable travel distance of Shirebrook or Mansfield to Matlock by train - book in advance cheaper train fare deals online or day rover tickets.
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I don't need many marriages yet, but having a look at the registers will be useful I think, once I've got a list of targets sorted out
I think William's first wife was Fanny Dobb (Q3 1850 -Q1 1876)
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Not done a lot on Cutts Family History only direct back to Fanny & George married 1810 from GT nanny Mary Cutts (br 1846) to Samuel Tidmarsh married 1867 Wales Village near Rotherham 1867.
Like you it drove me daft ??? ??? >:( :-\ trying to figure who's who from what was the right info from all the variant stuff on Ancestry trees or online and frequent visits to Matlock archives (burning my desk with hot fag ash at 3 am in the morning, later dreaming about who was Fanny Cutts) Stuck all info in a draw and gave it up 2012 ish. (Didn't do much better on the Tidmarsh FH line back either, getting stuck on finding info pre Thomas Tidmarsh to Phoebe Cope married Merrevale near Athertone Warwickshire 1803 above Samuel's grandfather.)
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I've had a fun time trying to disentangle what's true and what's embroidered from the Cutt side, interesting family, but not always in a good way. my worst hairpuller is my 3x great grandad who is incredibly elusive and had a job that took him and the family all over the country, I've resorted to starting with early wills and working forward, because going backwards isn't working
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No doubt Wilfred Cutts butcher of Wath, and county councillor in the 1970s came into the deliberations.
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No doubt Wilfred Cutts butcher of Wath, and county councillor in the 1970s came into the deliberations.
Hi Dale
1970's a bit down stream of Fanny Cutts nee Fox born 1791 of Hockley (Ockley) in census - can you expand on a route ( or down to Roots of) down to above Wilfred ???
Wath is about similar distance north from Treeton (Rotherham ) as Bolsover is to the south, making Treeton (Strongly suspect George sr ??? Fanny's Hubby origins was from Treeton) Cutts more interesting as to maybe why Mary Cutts was in Wales Village near Rotherham 1867
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Hi Jamila169
As Image
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Thanks Dobfarm, my late father in law was constable at WAth, and knew Wilf quite well, as I did as colleagues on the County Council.
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Thanks Dobfarm, my late father in law was constable at WAth, and knew Wilf quite well, as I did as colleagues on the County Council.
Hi cuz Dale
Something to chew on as below -some facts -other is fanily handed down info and pure speculation questions as well as why's
I remember mam used to talk about Stanfree a lot and schooled at Shuttlewood down the road,
Herbert's brother Samuel Tidmarsh jr 1911 lived at Spooners Row- Suttlewood, Samuel Tidmarsh sr born 1844 Balsall War'ks died West Lea Clowne 1920 Samuel jr the imformant just a mile or so up the road from Stanfree. ?
by 1925 my mother lived in Stanfree with a semi posh (ish) Gt Auntie, then went to live in Holme, above Holmfirth and her Uncle Samuel jr either lived in or around Holmfirth before or after 1925- Both her uncle Samuel jr and mum went on to live their totally independent separate lives in Huddersfield & Holmfirth areas in Yorkshire
Hebert Tidmarsh was at orchard row Carr vale, Bolsover 1911-Herbert's family when on to live in Clowne for the rest of their lives
Thomas Tidmash (Tidmarsh at death 1851) and Phoebe Cope married 1803 Merrevale Atherstone War's -son Thomas (brothers Herbert & Samuel jr's granddad) Tidmash bap 1806 ish Atherstone.
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A wildcard 1851 Blower/Simpson farmer with 10 acres Bolsover
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGDC-BRQ
Thos Blower x Sarah Cope Marriage 10 Dec 1838 Newton-Regis, Warwickshire Sarah Cope residence: 10 December 1838 Newton
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Davison (Danson link ?
It all started here
Thomas bap 1805-7 Atherstone son of Thomas & Phoebe Tidmash (Tidmarsh)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XXR9-6TT
2nd wife (my Sarah Wood died 1850 Sam's mum)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V52D-B1F
3rd wife
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V52D-B1J
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Move to Bolsover started here (Still trying to find what John Danson/Davison was or link between Warwickshire and Derbyshire)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NR8Z-5FF
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V52D-YDH
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XXPF-5XJ
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGDC-1DF
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7GH-XDQ
Samuel Tidmarsh turns up 1867 Wales village
marriage to Mary Cutt(s) of Bolsover parish
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9RP-LGZ
My Uncle John (Dads brother) lived across the road at Summer street from Rashcliffe hill Lockwood
1901c Lockwood, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Rashcliffe Hill Road
Lockwood
Alfred Simpson Head M 41 Birkswell (Berkswell), Warwickshire
Adelaide Simpson Wife F 35 Bolsover, Derbyshire
Edith E Simpson Daughter F 14 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Alfred Simpson Son M 12 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Clara Simpson Daughter F 9 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
George Simpson Son M 4 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Adelaide Cardwell Boarder F 19 Sheffield, Yorkshire
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Hi Jamila169
Bear in mind not to confuse ~ In link of journeymouse has already posted the George Cutt(s) marriage to Frances (Fanny) Fox 1810 ~ later George Cutt(s) was buried on 4 May 1828 at Bolsover,
Not to mix you up or confused you by the link ~ journeymouse refer to Mrs Fanny (Frances) Cutt(s) widow as Miss Frances (Fanny) Fox on the 1851c instead of Mrs Fanny Cutt(s) Widow- (Why I don't know)
http://www.journeymouse.net/CMS/docs/Cutts.pdf
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There are various thin short paperback books on Bolsover by Barnard Haigh that are interesting reading, some are available at Chesterfield libarary-Mansfield library may have copies. A lot of good photos of old Bolsover & Carr vale.
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Claire, I notice that 9 of your last 10 posts on this thread have been deleted. Is there a problem that either on of the subscribers to the post or the administrators can help with ? Think about it.
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Thank you Redroger for pointing this out
MY fault :-[ :-[ :-[ I had forgot to thank on the board thread - I thanked Claire by PM off board
I'm also in direct PM/email contact with other subscribing members of Rootchat on this thread
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Thank you Claire
For all the personal private family pictures & images connected to Cutts of Hockley you posted that at my request you later deleted - your help has been invaluable with my Cutts ancestry. Also for all the PM information you sent.
I didn't want photos & other images of my family genealogy copied - hijacked into & appearing suddenly, then someone else taking credit for posting afore said images into Ancestry trees online.
:) Dobby
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Ps - Claire helps a lot, doing research for members :D off public boards by PM and some on boards - as I do but I do forget sometimes. :-[ and not for the first time I may add this has happened with my threads :-X.
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Noted thanks. Pleased to be of help.
Roger