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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: Dublingal on Monday 14 August 17 11:38 BST (UK)
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Hi All
Im trying to find a Hugh Glynn, listed as a land steward on his daughters marriage record in 1863. Is there a source anywhere that I could find him with that occupation. Am having trouble finding a Hugh Glynn on the east coast. Daughters name is Maria Glynn who married a Patrick Byrnes in St Bridgets COI church in Dublin. I think Patrick was RC as she converted as she was buried as a RC in Glasnevin in 1910.
Thanks in advance.
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Have you got her on the 1901 Census to see what county she was born?
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For reference here's the 1863 marriage-
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-327-3-2-097
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Thanks so much for responses. I havent been able to confirm her on The 1901 Census. Looked at all variations names etc, and ruled out some too by cross referencing with birth data for those children living with her.
I know she lived at 16 upper gloucester street in 1897 as her daughter married from there.... she died at either Grenville lane or Hill street (both addresses on death record)
To add to the complexity on one daughters marriage record in 1894 she is recorded as Glynn, on the other Flynn...... was I believe widowed between 1894 and 1897.
Do you think steward was likely to be land steward?
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She does seem to move around a lot.
I can see a daughter Hanna married to John McKeever and Anne married John Hanlon, were their other children Mary, James and Elizabeth and do you know who they married.
She's not with the Hanlon's in 1901, I can't find the McKeever's did they leave the country?
Have you found the other children in 1901 in case she is with any of them.
Who is the parents of Michael Murphy the informant on the death?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05429/4517659.pdf
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Here is Michael Murphy in Mountjoy Parade - the informant of the death
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Mountjoy/Mountjoy_Parade/14668/
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Unfortunately Hanna McKeever died a year after marriage in 1895. She died at 16 upper gloucester street. She is buried in Glasnevin alongside John Hanlon and Maria Byrne. John McKeever went on to remarry in the early 1900's. Where did the names Mary James and Elizabeth pop up? I had found a Garret , a James, possibly an Ellen.......and an Anna, who i thought may have been Hanna as I cant find her birth record!
Michael Murphy is a puzzle. His wife is a Christina Hennesy and family do recall that surname as a relation. For him to be grandson his mother must be a Byrne?? But I cant find a Byrne/ Murphy marriage. the only Murphy link is on Patrick Byrne and Maria Glynns Marriage record where a Murphy is witness for the Husband! Its one big conundrum folks!!! I really appreciate your input!!
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Here is Michael Murphy in Mountjoy Parade - the informant of the death
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Mountjoy/Mountjoy_Parade/14668/
The mother is Hennessy found on Isabella's birth.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01656/1660545.pdf
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There is a Mary James and Elizabeth to a Mary Glynn and Patrick Byrne baptised in Saggart on Irish Genealogy church records, may not be the correct family.
Is Maria buried in Glassnevin with the others, I'm just wondering how sure you are that the death in 1910 is her.
Edit, just looking at your post again, that's Maria after John Hanlon's name, yes?
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Yes it is her name after John Hanlon. She would be his mother in law. I'm pretty sure it's her buried in glasnevin. Hannah is also in the grave. Marias burial was organised by Anne Hanlon her daughter. Hill street. Anne was married to John but didn't die until 1960 so herself is in a different grave. Unless it's a coincidence but the addresses all match
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Her age matches the death cert as well, she may have died in Hanlon's house but was living in Glenville Place at the time.
Just our luck Christina Hennessy and Michael Murphy's marriage image isn't online.
None of this is getting any closer to Hugh Glynn, sorry, there are sites which give discriptions of old occupations, a stewart is given as managing property, purveyor of supplies, or attending passengers.
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I have this for Christina Hennessy in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/North_Dock/Upper_Tyrone_Street/1329897/
Her father is married in 1911 so this looks like her mother in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rotunda/Grenville_Street/34614/
In Grenville Street - the death was Grenville Place :-\
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1884/10910/5985234.pdf
This is a marriage - 1884 - of John Hennessy and Mary Byrne - father Patrick - of Upper Gloucester Place.
So it would seem that Christina Hennessy is the granddaughter if this is all the right family.
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I had seen that before but the name mary puzzled me...perhaps I need to find a birth record for her!!
Thank you so much!!
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Here is the church record of the Hennessy/Byrne marriage. It shows Mary Byrne's mother as Mary Doyle :-\
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kjk/
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Think we need to get every thing laid out in one place, I'm flicking back and forth trying to make sense of every thing I'm sure other are as well.
Hugh Glynn a steward
His daughter Maria Glynn marries Patrick Byrnes in 1863
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-327-3-2-097
Need to establish how many children they had.
Anne we know married John Hanlon, think this is her as she has a son Edward on his birth 1898 mother is Byrne, father Car man.
1901 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Mountjoy/Kings_Avenue/1323085/
This would make her born 1875 so likely the Anne born in Luke St.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kjl/
Which rules out the Anna born in Drumcondra Road but also means there is two Patrick Byrne and Maria Glynn around. (Likely her name is Mary due to using Latin, but than Maria may also be transcribed as Mary believing her name is in Latin.)
Hanna married McKeever her death gives her age as 21 in 1895 which is giving her a birth year c 1874/73.
We don't have a birth for Hanna.
Can you show us where you found Garret, James and the possible Ellen
Is the James baptised Saggart, 1880 and
Ellen 1868 St. Agatha?
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Thanks Sinnan, Perfect synopsis!
This is Garret
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1872/2186089a.pdf
This is James : https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02966/2086563.pdf
Fathers occupation also correct for both.
Also have for an Ellena: churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/819539
0106267
I dont believe the Saggart connection rings true as the dates are a bit off........and no one in the family recalls a link to Saggart
I have at times thought maybe there are two Byrne/Glynn connections in Dublin in addition to the Saggart one, but I cant find evidence... The Glynn connection never even came about until I discover Hannah McKeevers burial record, and worked backwards. As far as I was concerned Maria was Maria Flynn as on the Hanlon/Byre record........then I saw Hannah marriage record!
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They look good, I didn't pay enough attention to Patrick on the marriage, too caugh up with Hugh Glynn, Patrick being a carpenter should make finding the children's births easier.
If only they didn't mover around so much.
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its so True... i always believed if they were from northside or southside they stayed put, but from researching two sides of the family , at one point or another they went either side and then came back!!
Byrne is also one of the largest group of names, I haven't even been able to track down Patrick Byrnes death record, despite working with the genealogist at Glasnevin.
Had hoped Glynn would be easier. I think with the large portion of COI records being lost, this is a mystery that may remain unsolved!!
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Try again, I'll add to this if we find any thing more.
The children of
Garret Byrne, Carpenter and Hugh Glynn, Stewart married
Patrick Byrne's and Maria Glynn 5 Feb 1863
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-327-3-2-097
Garret born 1872 Murphy's Cottages
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1872/2186089a.pdf
Hanna 1873/74 only know from her marriage
Anne 1875 can't find Civil Cert so possible baptism
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kjl/
James born 1878 Hamilton Lane
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02966/2086563.pdf
Can't find Hanna or Anne among the Unknowns.
There must be more between 1863 and 1872.
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Will do, thank you!
I have checked the "Unknown" Byrne Birth records for Dublin North and South for 1875 for Anne
Will do 1876 in a bit In case she wasn't registered until early the next year.....
Will look through the other years too...great idea! Thanks again!
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I looked in 73, 74 (and 75) so don't do them.
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Thank you! Will update :)
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Nothing in 1876 or 1877 :-[
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With no baptisms found for children of this couple in Dublin before Garrett in 1872, I wonder if they lived somewhere else for a time.
Byrne is such a difficult name to search, there are just so many.
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Do you think either of these are likely?
Ellena
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st_lawrence_mf_1853-1880_ba_0623
could Anna be Hanna??
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st_lawrence_mf_1853-1880_ba_0646
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Ellena looks perfect, I don't know Latin but it would worth finding out what it says in the notes, think I can make out the word Protestant.
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So an Anne in 1875 and an Anna is 1870 but call her Hanna ................it certainly looks like them and they move around so much, I don't think there was anyone else for this couple in Drumcondra Road so quite possible but finding a birth cert would prove it one way or the other.
Another year to search.
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I thought that too....I think it says something about mother being protestant, which would fit with the marriage being in a COI church........ have done another afternoon searching for Hugh....he cant be from Dublin....its a shame the COI records are so poor.......
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Wonder if Mary got baptised RC at some point?
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had never thought of that! She was buried with RC as her religion in glasnevin...wonder if there are records for adult christenings?
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Sometimes you see adults in the registers, finding a Mary Byrne is quite another matter though, even if you did find her it probably wouldn't help I've never seen one with parents names, just a note saying they are an adult.
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Ok. Good to know. I'll keep an eye out! Thanks a million. Great to bounce ideas with someone!
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I trawled through the 1901 census records , left preconceptions behind and found this http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Mountjoy/Nth_Summer_Street/1326179/
So Ellena Byrne is real!! I found a marriage record https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1890/10708/5903720.pdf
I just need to go the National Archives for a copy of the marriage license, has anyone ever seen a copy of one, does it give the mothers details??
Still no Hugh Glynn, Steward anywhere...however they are slowly giving themselves up!
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That is a copy of the marriage certificate that you have there.
There is the Hennessy name again also.
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Here is Ellen Williams with her aunt Mary Hennessy in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000073941/
I posted re the Hennessy/Murphy connection earlier. I wonder if there is another Hennessy/Byrne marriage.
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The Henessey name again so a definite link., so your earlier assumption about Michael Murphy being married to her Granddaughter looks right!! Thank you so much ..the marriage record says they were married under license..... so that would be another document??
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That Mary Byrne mother 68, must be Maria Glynn, yes?
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Hi Sinann, im thinking on that theory being yes, although the age is out by 10 years...she was supposedly 68 when she died in 1910. But all the other dates match up, addresses Ellen was married from etc. Ellen herself was widowed in 1899 so would make sense the mother was with her. ellen was baptised RC but may have converted on Marriage, her husband is buried in Mount Jerome, just checking on his religion...
Was just reminded about Mount Jerome not taking Catholic burials until 1922!
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Anna is 1870 but call her Hanna ......a birth cert would prove it one way or the other.
Interesting thread with much deviation & a lot of good research ;)
Just a thought......to add to the mix....
I have both an Irish & Scottish Hannah......both at a point known as Sarah.
Annie
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Thanks rosinish, I shall have a look at that!