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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Gemini37 on Monday 28 August 17 11:17 BST (UK)
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G'day All,
A friend of mine is in quite a quandery attempting to locate the death of an ancestor and I am hoping someone may be able to assist please.
Henry CRANSTON and his wife Eliza came from Baillieborough, Cavan, Ireland to Australia in about 1876 and settled in the Clarence Valley.
With them were their seven children; Walter Henry, Thomas, Mary Eliza, Edward, William, Richard and Henrietta.
The death of Eliza has been located in 1904 registered at Leichhardt but on her death record her husband is not noted.
It is this husband who creating a problem as to his passing which does not appear on the NSW BMD listings.
Any and all assistance would be greatly appreciated please.
Regards Wal
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The death of Eliza has been located in 1904 registered at Leichhardt but on her death record her husband is not noted.
Regards Wal
When you say death record, do you mean you hold the entire 1904 certificate of the death of Eliza CRANSTON?
Sue
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Thanks Sue,
Yes we hold the full certificate for Eliza's death.
The informants were two of the sons.
The children were listed but nothing to denote if Eliza was a widow or if her husband was alive.
Regards Wal
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Where was she buried?
What are the names of Henry's parents?
Jamjar
Added:
This her at Rookwood?
ELIZA CRANSTON age 83 Interred 28-9-1904 Zone B Section 04 Grave 4351
HENRIETTA CRANSTON age 80 31-10-1946 Zone B 04 4351
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I assume you have ruled out the 1880 death on NSW BDM of a Henry CRANSTON in Goulburn with parents Gideon and Catherine?
There is a death in Victoria https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj
1892 Henry CRANSTON, parents names unknown , age 70 at Melbourne E Hospital.
The death notice says he is 65 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article196891565
CRANSTON.— On the16th day of July, at his son's residence Hoddle-street, Collingwood, Henry Cranston, the dearly beloved father of Mrs. T. Reynolds, of Gladstone place, South Melbourne, aged 65 years.
Is this a possibility?
Ros
adding : No it seems unlikely as Henrietta died unmarried and Mary Eliza married a Kennedy.
Henrietta's death notice and funeral notice - the funeral notice gives some clues to other family http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article27908382
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Just looking at marriage notices for the children ...
1884 Walter's marriage http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article62142010
CRANSTON - FISHER. -On the 8th January, at St.Paul's Church, Emmaville, by the Rev. JosephCampbell, M.A., WALTER HENRY, eldest son of HENRY CRANSTON, of Waterview, South Grafton, to EMILY ANN, eldest daughter of HENRY FISHER,
1881 Mary Eliza's marriage http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article62121110
KENNEDY - CRANSTON. -On the 28th June, at South Grafton, by the Rev. R. F. Becher, B.B., ISAAC KENNEDY, of Riverston, to MARY ELIZA, eldest daughter of HENRY CRANSTON, of Waterview, and grand daughter of the late WALTER DANSEY, Bailieborough, Ireland.
It seems Henry was still alive in 1884
Ros
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HI
Is this Henry a witness for his son Thomas in a court case 1889 ? http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/62128037?searchTerm=henry%20cranston&searchLimits=
Muss
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Hi,
Henry was still alive in February 1889.
Thomas Cranston had a dispute with Thomas Champain over a fence at Woolgoolga and the article mentions "Henry Cranston, the father of the plaintiff"
There was also a Henry Cranston at Lisgar, South Grafton in March 1890, posting a reward for stolen cows.
In November 1900 the was a magnificent dairy farm up for sale at South Grafton by order of the Mortgagees, "Lisgar" known as Harry Cranston's Property.
Gerry
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Hi,
Could always try contacting the Clarence River Historical Society Inc.
http://www.clarencehistory.org.au/
Gerry
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Thank you everyone for the time and trouble you all have been going through.
I will try to make a comment on each of your messages if I can.
Jamjar; Thank you and the two names you have referred to are mother and daughter of which we have similar information to you.
Thank you Ros and yes these have been ruled out.
I might add here that Henry was born in Ireland 13/7/1830 and his father's name was Thomas but do not have the name of his mother.
Thank you Ros for the paper notices of marriages of two of Henry's children.
Gerry I must thank you too for the information that you posted. It is something we could look further into.
Mus, that was interesting information too.
Yes Gerry it would be an idea to check out the Clarence History group.
Again folk thank you for your help.
Regards Wal
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NSW Electoral Roll 1902 DALLEY, polling at Leichhardt
ALL with surname CRANSTON
Eliza, 47 Allen Street, domestic duties
Henrietta, 47 Allen Street, domestic duties
William, 47 Allen Street, bricklayer
JM
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Sands Suburban Street directory 1900
Leichhardt
Allen Street – North side, from James Street towards Francis Street
47 Cranston William bricklayer
51 Hill JJ Printer
53 Lane David “Northcote”
59 Bartley Edward
Then Francis Street
Sands Suburban 1892
Leichhardt
47 Allen Street
Cranston William, bricklayer
Sands Alpha directory 1885
Edmund CRANSTON, bricklayer, 11 Broughton St Glebe. (Glebe and Leichhardt are neighbouring suburbs)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369703.msg5267800#msg5267800
JM
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Thank you JM for that information, appreciated.
I think our main search centres around the death of Henry or Harry CRANSTON either in the Grafton region or the Leichhardt area between 1890 and possibly 1904.
Nothing so far has come to light at this point in time.
Regards Wal
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On the headstone the inscription for Henrietta does not mention Henry:
Youngest daughter of Eliza Cranston
Old Church of England Section 4 Row 19 Grave 4351
Cranston, Eliza 27 Sep 1904 84
Cranston, Henrietta 30 Oct 1946 80
Jamjar
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Thank you Jamjar. The fact that her father was not named is interesting.
Maybe husband and wife had an earlier parting of the ways.
Are you aware of a site recording divorces particularly in the period 1890 to 1900.
Regards Wal
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You may have noticed that in the death notice for Henrietta it said she was of Perth. I was hoping she was there with her father, but alas no, it was brother Edward who was there.
Death: 1688 1931 Cranston Edward Male Perth
Death and funeral notices:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article32364067
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article83695962
Edward Cranston
Karrakatta Burial
Aged 71 Date of Death: 6-11-1931
Suburb:PERTH
Grave Location: KARRAKATTA CEMETERY
ANGLICAN ZA 0362A
Grantee: HENRIETTA CRANSTON
Grant Status: EXPIRED 27/11/1981
I looked on state records and couldn't see a divorce. There may not have been one. He could have just left. Or, he's died and we just can't find him.
I think the Henry mentioned in Trove notices may be his son Walter Henry, rather than Henry Snr.
One of the children's death certs should say whether father is deceased.
Jamjar
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Thank you again Jamjar.
I would think that at the death of her brother Henrietta was only visiting and not of Perth but then who knows!
A check of the death of all children may be needed to ascertain if Henry was recorded as deceased.
I tend to agree it is a possibility that the parents just separated and that Henry died at an unknown time and place.
Regards Wal
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Hi,
1891 NSW Census.
Householder, Eliza Cranston, 47 Allen Street, Leichhardt. household has 1 F and 1 M.
Householder, Henry Cranston, Southampton, Clarence River, household has 1M.
This Henry is not Walter Henry because Walter is at Hillgrove with 2 M and 3F.
Gerry
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I would think that at the death of her brother Henrietta was only visiting and not of Perth but then who knows!
I do. Electoral rolls show that she was in WA from at least 1910 to 1943. Sometimes she is listed with Edward and she appears to have been working as a Cook.
Debra :)
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One of the children's death certs should say whether father is deceased.
Jamjar
On the Australian death certificates I have viewed, I have not seen a column which requires the living/dead status of the deceased person's parents.
Sometimes a "dec" might be casually noted beside a parent name, but in my opinion, it was discretionary information, not a usual part of the completion of the form.
I think it would be an unreliable pathway to finding what you are seeking, though all sorts of other info on the document may be of use.
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
Sue
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Thank you Jamjar. The fact that her father was not named is interesting.
Maybe husband and wife had an earlier parting of the ways.
Are you aware of a site recording divorces particularly in the period 1890 to 1900.
Regards Wal
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/results?keywords=cranston
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Hi,
1891 NSW Census.
Householder, Eliza Cranston, 47 Allen Street, Leichhardt. household has 1 F and 1 M.
Householder, Henry Cranston, Southampton, Clarence River, household has 1M.
This Henry is not Walter Henry because Walter is at Hillgrove with 2 M and 3F.
Gerry
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKKQ-X8X2 I think the household at Southampton has 1 Male and 4 females (I see ditto marks :) ) ... although whoever added up the columns did not treat the ditto marks in their sums... :) so I am not certain if my thinking is correct.
JM
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKKQ-X8X2
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NSW 1878 Electoral Roll THE CLARENCE
Henry CRANSTONE, leasehold, Southampton. (Yes, the roll has 'e' )
JM
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Hi JM,
I thought the same 1 and 4 for Henry Cranston at Southampton until I saw the uninhabited houses also had ditto marks so I took the marks as meaning nil.
Gerry
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;D :)
I have looked at couple of pages before and after ... I cannot find any nought in the number columns and read some of the instructions etc (pages before) .... Yes, it seems that the 'ditto' marks were used by this enumerator to represent zero ... ::) ::) ::)
If so, then Henry was living alone.
JM
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Thank you Gerry on the 1891 census.
Also thanks to Debra in relation to the information you have sent.
Really appreciated folk.
Regards Wal