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Research in Other Countries => South Africa => Topic started by: FamilyHistorySA on Monday 28 August 17 23:11 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Hope someone can help me. Looking for more information on the following (especially children):
Carl John Petersen married:
1st Wife: 2 Oct 1939, Scottburg, Durban, Shirley Charlotte WILSON-WARD
Looking for children (with Petersen) and her parents, please.
2nd Wife: 23 Feb 1944, Pietermaritzburg, Andrieyetta Gustavina Slabbert VICTOR (other way of spelling Andrietta Gustafina)
Looking for children (with Petersen) and her parents.
Thank you so much :)
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There is a divorce record in the archives
ILLIQUID CASE. DIVORCE. SHIRLEY CHARLOTTE WILSON PETERSEN (BORN WARD) VERSUS CARL JOHN PETERSEN.
Identifier: NAB RSC_1/5/455_I22/1943_1
Start Date: 1943
End Date: 1943
Type and Form of Archive: Correspondence File
Repository: Pietermaritzburg Archives Repository
Name of Creators: RSC
You would need to contact the Archive to get a copy - or you could request one through Eggsa.org
If you search on Shirley's name she appears to have divorced again in 1949
ILLIQUID CASE DIVORCE SHIRLEY CHARLOTTE MELVILLE (BORN WILSON-WARD) VERSUS PETER HENRY.
Identifier: TAB WLD_0_146/1949_1
Start Date: 1949
End Date: 1949
Type and Form of Archive: Correspondence File
Repository: National Archives Repository (Public Records of former Transvaal Province and its predecessors as well as of magistrates and local authorities)
Name of Creators: WLD
From gendatabase.org it looks like ANDRIETTA GUSTAFINA SLABBERT PETERSEN died July 1987 - no further information. Her birthdate is given as 0009-09-10.no location.
No sign of Carl John Petersen. There is a reference to a Carl John William Petersen who was born 1943 and died 1984 - there is an estate file number but unfortuantely the 1986 estate files are not yet up on familysearch.org
CARL JOHN WILLIAM PETERSEN 1984-12-06 MASETI FILE RECORD 1657/86 Cape Town Masters Office
Regards
Gillian
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2nd Wife: 23 Feb 1944, Pietermaritzburg, Andrieyetta Gustavina Slabbert VICTOR (other way of spelling Andrietta Gustafina) Looking for children (with Petersen) and her parents.
Hi FamilyHistorySA. Did you find any further information on the above? I am doing research on the same so may be able to hep.
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Hello
These were my parents - any info would be welcome - thanks
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Hello Familyhistorysa
Please remember that new members Carol and Hoskin are unable to access PM's untill they have made a couple of posts on RootsChat,once they have made another post they can then access all RootsChat functions.
Please note that RootsChat has a no living person rule, are these folk you are researching still living?
Regards
Sarah
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Thank you Gillian.
All info very welcome
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Hi - both people referred to are deceased.
Also - as sarah mentioned , I wasn’t notified if the messages so only saw this message now … 3 years later! Though what’s 3 years when doing ancestry :)
Hello Familyhistorysa
Please remember that new members Carol and Hoskin are unable to access PM's untill they have made a couple of posts on RootsChat,once they have made another post they can then access all RootsChat functions.
Please note that RootsChat has a no living person rule, are these folk you are researching still living?
Regards
Sarah
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There are a lot more records indexed on Familysearch now - if you search on Carl you can find both Marriage records
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1st Wife: 2 Oct 1939, Scottburg, Durban, Shirley Charlotte WILSON-WARD
Looking for children (with Petersen) and her parents, please.
2nd Wife: 23 Feb 1944, Pietermaritzburg, Andrieyetta Gustavina Slabbert VICTOR (other way of spelling Andrietta Gustafina)
Here are the links-
First marriage 1939
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qpg/
Second marriage 1944
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qpf/
KG
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Thanks for the reply and also for the links - I have managed to find those over the ensuing years and have tracked back to his parents (also Carl John Petersen - via estate files) and possibly grandparents (from Norway - via another tree).
Confirming details in Norway is proving much harder than South Africa - if anyone has managed that for Carl Petersen, please do let me know! (I had been told that Carl John sr changed name from Pedersen to Petersen upon arrival in SA)
Thanks again.
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Hi hoskinpurdy
Can you post the info you have on his parents and grandparents. I'll take a look in Norway for you.
Ian
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Hi hoskinpurdy
Can you post the info you have on his parents and grandparents. I'll take a look in Norway for you.
Ian
Many thanks for the offer of help. The records I have for Carl John Petersen are as follows;
Carl John Petersen
Born: 1871 Norway
Death: 29/08/1952 Germiston, Gauteng, South Africa
Most of the details came from his Estate File:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C91S-D6YS
This lists his parents as;
Paulus Arthur Petersen
Isabel Petersen
Both of 'Oslo, Norway'
I was told by my Mother in Law that Carl John changed his name (possibly from Pedersen) when he emigrated.
On a different angle; My Great-Great Parents-in-Law emigrated to South Africa from Finland
While I am here, I might as well ask in case you are also a Finland Expert :). My ancestor on the paternal line came from Finland to South Africa and also have not had success tracing them. In case you have any tips there, the details are;
The following couple emigrated to South Africa from Norway;
Jenny Wilhelmina Sandstrom (Born: Ekblad)
Born: 1855 Finland
Died: 30 August 1945, Natal, South Africa
Estate File: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS7R-NPXH?cc=2573604&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQPH1-Z5SW
Her Husband was:
William Sandstrom
Born: 13 November 1856, Nykarleby Finland
Died: 03 September 1914 Pietermaritzburg Townlands, Pietermaritzburg, Natal, South Africa
Estate File: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS7P-LZKX?cc=2573604&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQLRL-SMHX
Their Daughter (my Great Grandmother in Law)
Mary Charlotte Sandstrom
Born: 1891, Pietermaritzburg, South Africa
Died: 7 Oct 1928, Pietermaritzburg, South Africa
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GZKX-BJQ
Their Son:
Arthur Alexander Sandstrom
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GZKV-L1L
Another Son (died <1yr)
William Alexander Sandstrom
Born: 11 February 1888
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GZ27-TG9
Apologies for the overwhelming detail - I think I would have enough to find them but have struggled navigating Finish and Norwegian records.
Any information appreciated.
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No worries. I'll also take a look in Finland.
Ian
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William Sandström's birth record:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qpp/ - left page
Census 1856:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qpq/ - family at bottom. Wilhelm Eriksson following the patronymic system.
Any questions, just ask.
Ian
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........... (also Carl John Petersen - via estate files) and possibly grandparents (from Norway - via another tree).
Do you still have this tree?
I'm having problems with him in Norway.
Ian
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........... (also Carl John Petersen - via estate files) and possibly grandparents (from Norway - via another tree).
Do you still have this tree?
I'm having problems with him in Norway.
Ian
Just what I posted earlier;
This lists his parents as;
Paulus Arthur Petersen
Isabel Petersen
Both of 'Oslo, Norway'
which came from this link: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C91S-D6YS
sorry :-/
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Ok.
Do you have anything else for Jenny? The Ekblad name is coming up a blank too.
Just the Sandströms came up.
I'll keep looking.
Ian
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Ok.
Do you have anything else for Jenny? The Ekblad name is coming up a blank too.
Just the Sandströms came up.
I'll keep looking.
Ian
Jenny's estate file has her maidan name as "Jenny Wilhelmina Ikblad Sandstrom" - so possibly Ikblad, not Ekblad?
Also, I just noticed that the Death Notice for William Sandstrom states that he and Jenny were married in Finland, though it doesn't give a date.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS7P-LZKX?cc=2573604&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQLRL-SMHX
On the Pedersen front, I did recall some details from a previous search that proved to be a dead end - although I'm not sure this shows anything new;
http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6516&whichpage=1
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That made it a little easier although not an easy family to locate.
William and Jenny's marriage record:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qq1/ - left bottom
Jenny's family in 1856 Census in Nykarleby:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qq2/ - Middle family. Father Petter Gustaf Ekblad. Her name here is Juliana Wilhelmina
I cannot find her birth record yet.
Ian
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All the records including William's birth and census are in Swedish. This part of Finland was Swedish speaking at that time.
Ian
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Wow. That's incredible. I'll probably have two digest all this one evening this week - I may have questions so will DM you.
Thanks for all your help!!
Andrew
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William and family in 1881:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qq3/ - bottom left
Ian
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You're welcome Andrew.
Ian
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William Sandström's birth record:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qpp/ - left page
Census 1856:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qpq/ - family at bottom. Wilhelm Eriksson following the patronymic system.
Any questions, just ask.
Ian
Ian - I missed this earlier - Thanks for this also! Again - I will digest this week and probably come back with questions.
Very grateful.
Andrew
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The name Ekblad is most probably from a soldier. It is a soldier's name meaning OakLeaf.
Ian
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Here is the Ekblad family in 1870:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qq4/
I cannot find Juliana's (Jenny) birth record. It states that she was born in Nykarleby as William was but she is not recorded. As a matter of fact I cannot even find her brother Gustaf Emil.
Ian
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Well, my persistence came through. Although they seemed to have lived in the town, the minister recorded her in the rural parish:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qq8/ - left page, 2nd down
It looks as though a mistake was made with her name. Juliana is crossed out and Jenny recorded instead, then the minister continued with the mistake throughout the books.
Ian
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Hi hoskinpurdy
Can you post the info you have on his parents and grandparents. I'll take a look in Norway for you.
Ian
Carl John Petersen
Born: 1871 Norway
Death: 29/08/1952 Germiston, Gauteng, South Africa
Most of the details came from his Estate File:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C91S-D6YS
This lists his parents as;
Paulus Arthur Petersen
Isabel Petersen
Both of 'Oslo, Norway'
Hi
I thought that this subject was familiar. I helped out 6 years ago here:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=735640.0
I have taken another look at this without success unfortunately.
Ian
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Thanks for your help, Ian. I think I have been in touch with the original poster of that link. I will circle back to them to see if they have found any more.
Also I have found a good photo of Jenny/William Sandstrom's daughter from 1923. It is all coming together. Thanks again for all your help.
Andrew
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You're welcome.
If you need help with any translations etc just ask.
Ian
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Hi again
I took another look at Carl Johan Pedersen in Norway.
I do believe that the Carl Johan Pedersen found on the Norway-Heritage forum could well be Carl Johan, even though his d.o.b is off.
I found a birth and a death for a Paul Arthur Pedersen as a brother to Carl Johan. This name could well have been mistaken for his father.
Carl Johan was a seaman but could only find his seaman records for the years 1889-1893.
Paul Arthur Pedersen Birth 1887
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/3513/22490/71 - nr 97
Paul Arthur Pedersen Death 1887
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/3513/22487/34 - nr 58
Carl Johan Pedersen Census 1891 - able bodied seaman
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/52778/5275 - you can click left and right for family
Sailor record
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/42089/232 - top
Ian
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Thanks Ian - I will take a look at this.