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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: Jillity on Saturday 02 September 17 07:14 BST (UK)
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I've been trying to trace my family history on my grandfather's side but I haven't got very far. My grandfather's father was called John Andrew Williams. According to the UK census records he was born in Queenstown in County Cork in 1840 or 1841. He was married in England and on his marriage certificate it says he was a widower. His father's name was William Campbell Williams and he was a solicitor. That's as far as I've got. I can find no record of William Campbell Williams anywhere and no record of John Andrew's birth. I would love to find out a bit more about that side of the family. Any help would be appreciated.
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records online, free on irishgenealogy
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01knf/
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kng/ gets you all John Williams
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There was a Dublin attorney named Campbell Williams. Married Julia Knox in 1827.
https://goo.gl/Zu2BMo
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Is this the same John Andrew Williams?
https://www.ancestry.com/boards/localities.britisles.england.cul.general/1861/mb.ashx?pnt=1
http://wwwer.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/gill/1764/
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Thank you for all the links. I've searched the Irish Genealogy site before but haven't found any matching birth records for John Andrew Williams or any information on William Campbell Williams. The discussion on Ancestry and the genealogy site was posted by my niece. We have all the information on John Andrew Williams in England but neither of us has been able to find anything on his father or any record of his birth in Queenstown.
John Andrew married Emma Gill illegally and I wondered if maybe he lied a bit about his background because of that. He was previously married to Jane Gill who was Emma's sister but when Jane died he married Emma. She was only 21 and far away from her home in Carlisle. It must have been a tumultuous time in her life as they had Jane's little girl to bring up. I should imagine poor Emma had a lot of growing up to do in a very short time. She was my great grandmother. My mother mentioned her from time to time but she never knew her as she died in 1902, before my mother was born.
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No.4267
Sacred To the Memory of | GEORGE WILLIAMS | Barrister At Law of 47 Baggot Street, Dublin | died November 1844, aged 85 years | and his wife MARY WILLIAMS | died March 1846 aged 80 years | Of his son CAMPBELL WILLIAM WILLIAMS | died January 1848, aged 49 years | Of his daughter ELIZA ANNA WILLIAMS | died June 1857 aged 50 years | and of his son ROBERT CARLISLE WILLIAMS | M.D. F.R.C.S.I. of 14 Lower Fitzwilliam St. Dublin | died June 1860 aged 55 years | Also To the Memory of | FRANCESCA GABRIELLA WILLIAMS | wife of ROBERT CARLISLE WILLIAMS | died January 1876 aged 67 years | and of their daughter | LUCINDA HENRIETTA WILLIAMS | died October 1853 aged 15½ years | Erected by their son | G. R. C. WILLIAMS | Indian Civil Service retired | A.D. 1912
(Mount Jerome Cemetery, Dublin)
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/1headstones/mt-jerome29.txt
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Thank you, it could possibly be the same as William Campbell Williams. I'll follow it up.
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P.472/3
http://www.rcsi.ie/files/library/docs/20161220113717_History%20of%20the%20RCSI%20-%20chapter%20.pdf
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Thank you, it could possibly be the same as William Campbell Williams. I'll follow it up
He's the one who married Julia Knox as I mentioned in reply#4. He is listed in Dublin directories as an attorney.
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ROBERT CARLILE WILLIAMS married FRANCISCA GOBRIELLA REED 1837
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kni/
need sifting through but looks like there is more of this family on Irish Genealogy
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Thank you. The document mentions Robert Carlisle Williams and George Robert Williams but I don't think either of them are related. I'll keep looking.
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"......searched the Irish Genealogy site before but haven't found any matching birth records for John Andrew Williams or any information on William Campbell Williams......"
GEORGE WILLIAMS | Barrister At Law of 47 Baggot Street, Dublin | died November 1844, aged 85 years |
his son CAMPBELL WILLIAM WILLIAMS | died January 1848, aged 49 years
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I think John Andrew Williams was in Newcastle-on-Tyne in the 1861 census?
Campbell William Williams' daughter Hannah Maria Williams was married in Newcastle in 1864.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXHX-GWK
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At Christ Church, Newcastle, 3rd inst., by the Rev. W. L. Kaye, Mr. Benjamin Taylor, ship owner, to Hannah Maria, eldest daughter of the late Campbell William Williams, Esq., solicitor, Dublin.
(various newspapers, February 1864)
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Hannah M Williams of Dublin was a stewardess on Benjamin Taylor's ship Earl Percy in the 1861 census. The Earl Percy was wrecked in 1865.
Wreck Report: http://www.plimsoll.org/images/14443_tcm4-161646.pdf
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Wouldn't be surprised if he was born in Dublin, church records here http://www.rootschat.com/links/01knn/
Pity you don't say what religion he was or year he married in England but if you know religion you can select that from list on left!
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Thank you for your replies. I already have all the information on John Andrew Williams when he was in England. He was a ship's engineer and he is in the census for 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, and 1901. He married Jane Gill in April 1871 in Newcastle and they had a daughter Maria Julia in 1872. Jane died in 1876 and in 1877 he married Jane's sister Emma Gill in West Ham, Essex. At the time it was illegal to marry your late wife's sister. They had six children, one of whom was my grandfather. I imagine John was a protestant but I don't know for certain. I have all the records for his life in England and I have the marriage certificate for John and Emma. That's how I know his father's name and profession. In the 1861 census it says John was born in Ireland, Queenstown. In 1871 it just says he was born in Cork, Ireland.
What I'm interested in is finding out about his Irish roots. His father was just a solicitor, not an attorney so I don't think the attorney in Dublin is part of our family. John must have come over to England before 1861 or in 1861 when he would have been 20 years old or less so maybe I can find something out by going down that route.
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His father was just a solicitor, not an attorney so I don't think the attorney in Dublin is part of our family.
I wouldn't be so dismissive. Campbell William Williams is listed as a solicitor in Ireland directories for 1841 and 1843. The presence of his daughter Hannah in Newcastle at the same time as JAW is also adding to the circumstantial evidence.
How many Irish lawyers named Campbell Williams do you imagine there were in the 1840's? I have found only one.
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Seconded!
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I didn't think he was that posh :) He must have changed his name around as it's given as William Campbell Williams on his son's marriage certificate. Maybe he called himself Campbell William Williams. I did wonder if JAW called his first daughter Maria Julia after his mother. I'll have another look at the records and add it to the family tree with some notes.
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I think you could well be right. This does sound like that side of my family. I never dreamt that my third great uncle could be so distinguished as to be a president of the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland. I bet my mother didn't know! Other parts of our family were quite poverty stricken. Some took in laundry and narrowly avoided the workhouse.