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Family History Documents and Artefacts => FH Documents and Artefacts => Topic started by: J11 on Saturday 02 September 17 23:44 BST (UK)
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I have found the following entry in the England & Wales National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations):
Clibborn Isabel Sarah of 62 Brisbane Rd, Ilford Essex widow died 28th December 1933 at the King George Hospistal, Ilford Administration Oxford 17th January to Henry Ernest Fairley Clibborn schoolmaster and Raymond Hugo Clibborn mercantile marine officer. Effects £1196 1s 8d
Where would I be able to see a copy of this will? Would it be held somewhere in Oxford, Essex or is there a central repository for wills? Thanks
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Wills can be ordered on line from https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate at £10. They are ready to be downloaded in about a week.
HOWEVER yours says "Administration" so that just means permission was granted for the estate to be distributed. There wasn't a will.
"Types of grant
Not all grants of representation contain a will. Check the type of grant when you search:
‘Probate’ or ‘Grant and Will’ - a will exists and will be provided
‘Admon with Will’ or ‘Grant and Will’ - a will exists and will be provided
‘Administration (Admon) or Grant’ - a will doesn’t exist and won’t be provided "
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Wow, that was quick! Thank you very much for your really informative answer. Just what I wanted.
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Wow, that was quick! Thank you very much for your really informative answer. Just what I wanted.
Probably not what you wanted to hear ;D ;D ;D However it has saved you sending off £10 and just getting back the letter of administration which I don't think would tell you anything else.
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Indeed. Disappointing but, as you say, saved myself a tenner! Thanks.
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Sorry to trouble you again but I've come up with another problem and you seemed to know your way around the system.
England and Wales National Probate Calendar
Clibborn Henry Joseph of 82 Roseneath Rd Urmston Lancashire died 15th July 1929 at Park Hospital Davyhulme Manchester Administration (with Will) Oxford 11 October to Isabel Sarah Clibborn widow. Effects £202 3s.
But there isn't a will on the Find a Will/Gov.Uk site. Is it possible that there wasn't a will but the person who sorted out the estate thought there was and wrongly reported the existence of a will?
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Where are you looking, I've found it on the site, but it won't let me post a link to the actual page.
Go to https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate
Click: Start Now
Make sure you click 1858 - 1996 (I've made the mistake of forgetting to do that before, and then of course nothing shows!)
Put in Clibborn and 1929 and it's on the left hand side of the page.
You won't get the actual will on the site, if that's what you are thinking, you have to apply for that, it costs £10. They then email you a link to it in about a week and you can download it
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Thank you so much. I hadn't clicked on the 1858 - 1996. Got it now. Thanks.
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Thank you so much. I hadn't clicked on the 1858 - 1996. Got it now. Thanks.
As I said, an easy mistake to make, glad you've found it.
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With reference to the following entry in the England and Wales National Probate Calendar:
Clibborn Isabel Sarah of 62 Brisbane Rd, Ilford Essex widow died 28th December 1933 at the King George Hospistal, Ilford Administration Oxford 17th January to Henry Ernest Fairley Clibborn schoolmaster and Raymond Hugo Clibborn mercantile marine officer. Effects £1196 1s 8d
How would the brothers Henry and Raymond both come to be executors? They were her only two sons over 21. There was a daughter but she was living in Malaya. The reason I ask is that Raymond went back to sea on 14th January, banished by his older brother, so was unavailable which caused all sorts of trouble with the sale of the house. Surely Henry would have been able to be sole executor as the only adult son in the country or could have appointed a solicitor or was he just incompetent?
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Executors are appointed by the person who makes the will, but in this case as there was only administration granted, it doesn't look as if there was a will. Perhaps they had both applied to be executors before Raymond went back to sea, and by the time it came through he wasn't in the country. I assume because it had been granted to both, one couldn't act alone unless he had the written permission of the other.
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Thanks for getting back to me. There wasn't a will and I was thinking along the same lines as you. Raymond left ship and vanished in the Far East. Surely Henry could have applied to have him removed as executor in that situation rather than spend months and God knows how much trying to find him?
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I don't think it is as easy as that. This looks as if it is what happens these days
https://www.saga.co.uk/magazine/money/personal-finance/inheritance/can-you-remove-an-executor
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Hello
Regarding Administration and two Administrators both claiming Administration and as the poster claims one was away at sea.
In the event of the deceased dying Intestate and it going to Admin. Like Executors, Administrator/s have a very responsible job, to do the administrative work, proper accounting of money collected in and expenses paid out, deal with property and follow the Laws of Distribution and any tax etc., including getting any advice.
Bear in mind I am not a Lawyer, but I am wondering if there was also a mechanism to publish a Notice in the London Gazette and the Local newspaper of where the deceased lived, or other newspaper of where the other Administrator was last known to reside, or be, where an Administrator disappeared and needed to be contacted?
https://www.thegazette.co.uk
Mark
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Thanks. :)