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Title: Riches
Post by: paullrobathan on Sunday 03 September 17 22:36 BST (UK)
Looking for details of Alice Enid Riches, especially marriage in Mexico to Francis Paull Robathan
Title: Re: Riches
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 03 September 17 22:56 BST (UK)
Is this person still alive?  If deceased - please give details of her birthyear
Title: Re: Riches
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 03 September 17 23:02 BST (UK)
There is a tree on Ancestry showing her full names as Alice Enid Grace Riches birthyear as 1881 Glamorgan and death 1943.   Marriage shown as between 1911-1915

A son Francis E was born 1913 in Cardiff died 1958 Somerset

Alice died in Glamorgan in 1943 and Francis died Glamorgan 1962

Have you looked for them on the 1939 register
Title: Re: Riches
Post by: paullrobathan on Sunday 03 September 17 23:35 BST (UK)
Alice Enid Riches married my grandfather Francis Paull Robathan, I think in Mexico where he was a gold miner. His family were from Risca in Monmouthshire.
Title: Re: Riches
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 03 September 17 23:40 BST (UK)
There is a tree on Ancestry containing details of her parents etc

You can also find her on the 1891/1901 censuses

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01egx/

Her birth is on freebmd

Births September qtr 1881   
Alice Enid G Riches     Cardiff    11a   229

I have asked the moderator to move your post to the Glamorgan board as there does not seem to be a connection to Monmouth
Title: Re: Riches
Post by: paullrobathan on Sunday 03 September 17 23:47 BST (UK)
thanks, but...

Risca (Welsh: Rhisga) is a town of approximately 11,500 people in south-east Wales, within the Caerphilly County Borough and the historic boundaries of Monmouthshire.
Title: Re: Riches
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 04 September 17 00:09 BST (UK)
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Looking for details of Alice Enid Riches, especially marriage in Mexico to Francis Paull Robathan

The information in your opening post gave nothing to identify her birthyear or birthplace or any information about Francis apart from his name. 

Alice was born in Glamorgan and died in Glamorgan.  Francis also died in Glamorgan.  Alice gave birth in Glamorgan and her son died in Glamorgan

There is nothing to connect Alice with Risca and your post specifically asks for information about Alice




Title: Re: Riches
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 04 September 17 07:35 BST (UK)
Alice Enid Riches married my grandfather Francis Paull Robathan, I think in Mexico where he was a gold miner.

GRO consular marriages index confirms marriage of Francis P Robathan to 'Riches' was in Mexico
Consular Marriages 1911-1915 - Volume 13 Page 1082

You should be able to purchase this certificate from the GRO at Southport
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/most_customers_want_to_know.asp#FamilyHistory
Title: Re: Riches
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 04 September 17 07:42 BST (UK)
Alice Enid Grace Riches was baptised at St Mary the Virgin, Cardiff, Glamorganshire 20 June 1881
Her parents were Carlton Hugh & Alice Mary - abode 24 Dumfries Place -fathers occupation Dentist
Title: Re: Riches
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 04 September 17 07:44 BST (UK)
Looking for details of Alice Enid Riches, especially marriage in Mexico to Francis Paull Robathan

What other information are you looking for  :-\
Title: Re: Riches
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 04 September 17 07:48 BST (UK)
Birth for Francis?

December qtr 1881
Brighton Registration District     vol 2b, page 258

Robatham, Francis Paull


On the 1891 census, the family seem to be at Machen, rather than Risca?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:427R-XN2
Title: Re: Riches
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 04 September 17 08:03 BST (UK)
Birth for Francis?

On the 1891 census, the family seem to be at Machen, rather than Risca?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:427R-XN2

Georges place of birth is Risca  ;)
Title: Re: Riches
Post by: Wred on Monday 04 September 17 10:34 BST (UK)
Family search has this from New York passenger crew lists .

Francisco P Robathan 5 Dev 1913 last residence Salatillo, Mexico. Age 32 years. Departure point
Vera  Cruz. Arrival New York Esperanza. Nationality British. Possibly on way back to UK.

Also Alice Riches arrived 1905 from London. She appears to be without family members.

Might be more info Ellis Island web site.
Title: Re: Riches
Post by: paullrobathan on Monday 04 September 17 10:41 BST (UK)
Thanks for all the info - I have accessed Ellis Island before and the only record is the one you found.

As to what other information I am looking for - I have a lot of data about the Robathan family, but want to expand the tree outwards so looking for links at great grandfather level - hence the 3 separate queries.

Keen to understand the Jamaica connection for Frances Elizabeth Muirhead Robathan's god mother. If she was born in Jamaica was she the offspring of plantation owner or slave?

Alice Enid Grace Riches travelled to Mexico to marry my grandfather Francis - recently found some photographs including the first one I have of her - she was a singer with Ivor Novello apparently but I have not so far found any info on this online.
Title: Re: Riches
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 04 September 17 10:44 BST (UK)

Might be more info Ellis Island web site.
Alice Riches
Single
Female
Age at arrival 23y 
English
Passenger ID 102466040272
Date of Arrival October 20th, 1905
Ship Amerika
Port of Departure Cuxhaven
Last Place of residence London
Title: Re: Riches
Post by: Wred on Monday 04 September 17 11:24 BST (UK)
Interesting family 8)

Frances  may have believed he was was born in Risca but agree with K Gerrard birth registered 1881
in Brighton mothers maiden name Paull with brother Harold Berkley Robathan reg 1883 Newport which covered Risca and Machen also mothers maiden name Paull.
Title: Re: Riches
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 04 September 17 11:43 BST (UK)
Alice Enid Grace Riches was baptised at St Mary the Virgin, Cardiff, Glamorganshire 20 June 1881
Her parents were Carlton Hugh & Alice Mary - abode 24 Dumfries Place -fathers occupation Dentist

Carlton Riches
1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V51W-VTS

1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2W9-9YTT

1891
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X91T-JD5
Title: Re: Riches
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 04 September 17 13:35 BST (UK)


Keen to understand the Jamaica connection for Frances Elizabeth Muirhead Robathan's god mother. If she was born in Jamaica was she the offspring of plantation owner or slave?


Replied on your other post

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=778313.