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Title: walter charles freeman look up
Post by: fedupp on Tuesday 05 September 17 19:08 BST (UK)
Lookup please . Walter charles freeman, born 1882 ,northamptonshire  left uk for canada after april 1911 .searching for his entry into canada on passenger lists / canadian / usa immigration lists .  Thanks
Title: Re: walter charles freeman look up
Post by: MaureeninNY on Tuesday 05 September 17 19:26 BST (UK)
Possibly this one:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2HL9-ZNG

Maureen
Title: Re: walter charles freeman look up
Post by: polarbear on Tuesday 05 September 17 19:42 BST (UK)
There is a Walter Chas Freeman age 29  who arrived at Halifax Nova Scotia on the Tunisian 14 Apr 1911. He is listed as a labourer and his destination is Toronto Ontario.

PB

Added: apologies MaureenNY.....I looked at your link and only saw who I thought was a Walter Ed Freeman but a second look has found Walter Chas lower down on the same page, and I don't now think the other Freeman is even a Walter? I didn't realize what I had found was on the same page until just now.
Title: Re: walter charles freeman look up
Post by: Jacquie in Canada on Wednesday 06 September 17 07:25 BST (UK)
Is he the son of Henry and Dorcas Freeman? If so it looks like he died in British Columbia and, at some time, changed his surname to Bradley.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLBV-4V8 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLBV-4V8)

The Beatrice Bradley mentioned as being Walter's wife:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FL1F-2TQ (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FL1F-2TQ)

Jacquie
Title: Re: walter charles freeman look up
Post by: fedupp on Wednesday 06 September 17 08:13 BST (UK)
Yes !yes ! That's him ! Spent last hour trying to access family search on mobile phone ,without much success ( Computer not well at moment ) . Can you tell me more .? How did you know he changed his name ?
Title: Re: walter charles freeman look up
Post by: bbart on Wednesday 06 September 17 08:16 BST (UK)
If the Walter and Beatrice that Jacquie noted above are the ones you are looking for, there is a passenger list for them:

Departure - 28 Apr 1953 sailing Liverpool to Quebec and Montreal
Ship - Empress of Australia

Walter Chas. Freeman, age 71, retired
Beatrice Freeman, age 53, housewife

Last address in UK - 56, Bamber St. Peterborough, Northants.

Country of last permanent residence (columns give choice of England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Eire, Other parts of the British Empire, and Foreign Countries) - Other part of British Empire marked for both.

Country of intended future permanent residence: Canada

Walter and Beatrice disembarked in Montreal.
Title: Re: walter charles freeman look up
Post by: bbart on Wednesday 06 September 17 08:34 BST (UK)
Hrmm.... they married using the Bradley name  ???

Name:    Walter Charles Bradley
Gender:    Male
Spouse:    Beatrice Hocking
Marriage Date:    30 Nov 1922
Marriage Place:    Transcona, Manitoba, Canada
Title: Re: walter charles freeman look up
Post by: fedupp on Wednesday 06 September 17 08:43 BST (UK)
Thanks bbart , well spotted . I did find that record some time ago , but thanks for details . It was the date and record of him leaving uk to canada originaly,  also any info on his early life in canada . Believe  He had previous military service in uk ,
 If it was him entering in1911 ( have him on 1911. Uk census ). So would he have served in canadian foces in WW1 ? He worked on a canadian railway ,would he have been in a reserved occupation ? Was there conscription in canada In WW1 ?  Thanks
Title: Re: walter charles freeman look up
Post by: fedupp on Wednesday 06 September 17 08:48 BST (UK)
Thanks bbart didn't have marrige details . So is there a date or record of him changing his name ?
Title: Re: walter charles freeman look up
Post by: fedupp on Wednesday 06 September 17 08:58 BST (UK)
Does anyone know if there are.canadian  railway employment records available on line ?
   Looks like he still used his freeman surname to return to uk in 1953 !!??
Title: Re: walter charles freeman look up
Post by: fedupp on Wednesday 06 September 17 09:15 BST (UK)
Sorry, should have also thanked maureeninny ,polarbear AND jacquie .
Ref 1953. Visit .he and his wife  entered uk on 18th feb , again as freeman. Had 3 children born 1923, 1925 and 1928 , believe  all born in canada.
Title: Re: walter charles freeman look up
Post by: polarbear on Wednesday 06 September 17 17:58 BST (UK)
I know this thread was about Walter in particular, but were you aware that his sister apparently married in Toronto Ontario? In case not, Dorcas Annie Freeman 35 married widower Joseph Milligan 36 on 27th Sep 1920. Her parents given as Harry Freeman and Dorcas Glitheroe.

PB
Title: Re: walter charles freeman look up
Post by: bbart on Thursday 07 September 17 06:06 BST (UK)
The only reason I can think of that he would change his name, but go back to using the surname Freeman in the UK after years of using Bradley in Canada is a remarriage without divorcing/death of partner.  There is a possible one, but without obtaining the certificate and hoping he listed his parents on it, no way to know if the following is him. From http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php

Name:    Walter Charles Freeman
Gender:    Male
Spouse:    Helena Hryhirczuk
Marriage Date:    20 Jul 1914
Marriage Place:    Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

You mentioned Walter worked for a railway.  There is a Walter C Freeman working for the railway in the BC Electors role, but it is not yours (wrong address, wrong wife), and I had no luck finding any Bradley's working for the railway.  That doesn't mean he didn't, but where did you get the info that he did? Maybe I missed looking somewhere?
Title: Re: walter charles freeman look up
Post by: fedupp on Thursday 07 September 17 09:30 BST (UK)
Polarbear well spotted again !
Yes , that is we believe ,his sister. Like other sisters she was in sevice at young age ,then in  1920 leaves liverpool for new york, arrives 1st march 1920 , then crosses border into canada on 6th march at bridgeburg , ontario .  Married milligan on 27th sept. 1920 ....then returns to uk sept 1922 . Spends rest of her life in peterborough _uk.
 There could have been other extended family in canada also ...glitheroe and freeman .  Joseph milligan was from ireland , presume they met in canada ??
Title: Re: walter charles freeman look up
Post by: fedupp on Thursday 07 September 17 09:58 BST (UK)
Bbart ,yes I had thought of this . It could have been related to military , previous marriage or another reason . Marriage you mentioned looks very probable !!????
  He worked for cp railway for 39 years and retired in brandon manitoba in 1946 .
The reason I know this is a long story .
Short version - I had been searching for my gran, another mystery, ( his younger sister for many years .  In 2009 found her birth place and family on 1911 census . Found tree on anc someone in florida . She had list given to her from uncle in uk . Got in touch and met uncle .he had received list in letter dated 1993  from someone in canada. Who was visiting uk and  had spent many years reseaching freeman family .  After receiving letter I telephoned. 18 year old. Tel number. And spoke to this person . He told me he had much info on family and would be glad to share . Unfortunately ,before he could get back to me he sadly passed away .