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Title: Where is Robert Winterbottom LEES (b. 1855 Oldham) ?
Post by: NicolaasMars on Sunday 10 September 17 13:11 BST (UK)
Robert Winterbottom LEES was born 1855 D in Oldham, Lanc., as son of William LEES and his (second) wife Amelia Winterbottom. I find him in the 1861 census of Oldham (RG09 3009 89 50) as Rod LEES. After that, I do not see him in the census. What happened?
Title: Re: Where is Robert Winterbottom LEES (b. 1855 Oldham) ?
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 10 September 17 13:42 BST (UK)
Hi

Is he with his family ? William Amelia, and siblings Mary Ann, Violet, Elizabeth and Eli ?

If so, I think you will find that 'Rod' is actually ASA Lees who was baptised to the couple on 7 Oct 1855 Oldham. I can't see Robert at all.

Claire
Title: Re: Where is Robert Winterbottom LEES (b. 1855 Oldham) ?
Post by: Sumi on Sunday 10 September 17 13:45 BST (UK)
Are you sure of his parentage?  A Robert Winterbottom LEES was baptised at St Mary's Oldham 19 Dec 1855 son of Daniel and Mary Ann LEES and there are lots of records for him.

Sue
Title: Re: Where is Robert Winterbottom LEES (b. 1855 Oldham) ?
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 10 September 17 13:47 BST (UK)
Snap Sue

It's a bit strange because I can see a Robert Winterbottom Lees born and baptised in Dec. 1855 to a Daniel Lees and his wife Mary Ann, yet his wife as far as I can see wasn't a Winterbottom.

 ???
Title: Re: Where is Robert Winterbottom LEES (b. 1855 Oldham) ?
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 10 September 17 13:49 BST (UK)
Quote from: Sumi on Sunday 10 September 17 13:45 BST (UK)
Are you sure of his parentage?  A Robert Winterbottom LEES was baptised at St Mary's Oldham 19 Dec 1855 son of Daniel and Mary Ann LEES and there are lots of records for him.

Sue

Birth reg for R W Lees gives mmn Winterbottom


Marriages Dec 1854   
Lees    Daniel       
Winterbottom    Mary Ann       
Manchester    8d   557
Title: Re: Where is Robert Winterbottom LEES (b. 1855 Oldham) ?
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 10 September 17 13:54 BST (UK)

Well spotted Rosie  :)

 I only found the 1851 marriage Daniel Lees & Mary Ann Schofield.
Title: Re: Where is Robert Winterbottom LEES (b. 1855 Oldham) ?
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 10 September 17 13:55 BST (UK)
Robert Winterbottom Lees age 21 married  4 December 1876 to Mary Ann Robinson.  His father was Daniel
Title: Re: Where is Robert Winterbottom LEES (b. 1855 Oldham) ?
Post by: NicolaasMars on Sunday 10 September 17 14:01 BST (UK)
Thank you for your help.

If Rod and Asa are the same person, then that explains why I did not find Asa in the 1861 census (although he was born in 1855) and Rod/Robert not in the 1871 census. I jumped to the conclusion that Robert Winterbottom fitted well because William Lees' second wife was a Winterbottom.

Your explanation has convinced me I was wrong. Thanks again!

Nicolaas
Title: Re: Where is Robert Winterbottom LEES (b. 1855 Oldham) ?
Post by: heatherjulie on Sunday 10 September 17 16:44 BST (UK)
Have you got the marriage certificate? If not, it is available on Familysearch

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6RS4-96?i=74&wc=M6F6-MZS%3A143838901%2C158886501%2C147679101&cc=1788853


Heather
Title: Re: Where is Robert Winterbottom LEES (b. 1855 Oldham) ?
Post by: NicolaasMars on Sunday 10 September 17 17:27 BST (UK)
Hi Heather,

I did not know that marriage certificates are on FamilySearch. Saves me paying UKL 9,25 for the GRO-copies! Thank you.

Nicolaas
Title: Re: Where is Robert Winterbottom LEES (b. 1855 Oldham) ?
Post by: heatherjulie on Sunday 10 September 17 19:04 BST (UK)
Not all certificates are on familysearch but it is always worthwhile checking.
Title: Re: Where is Robert Winterbottom LEES (b. 1855 Oldham) ?
Post by: TophamI on Thursday 12 November 20 19:46 GMT (UK)
Hi, Robert Winterbottom Lees is one of my direct ancestors.  Let me know if you are still struggling with him.