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Hello There,
I am trying to find a baptism of the above person.
According to FREEREG, Mary Lee married William "Bayley" at St Peter's Church, Nottingham in 1752. They were apparently married by Licence.
Mary's abode appears to have been transcribed: "Bullcoat". I think this is most probably Bulcote, Nottinghamshire. William's abode has been transcribed: "Cathorp", or something like that. This is more than likely to be Caythorpe, which is not too far from Lowdham.
They settled in Lowdham, Notts and had five children there, baptised between 1755-1763.
I know this may be a long shot, but any information regarding the above would be gratefully accepted.
Thank you very much. :) ;)
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Hi,
In Nottingham archives there are books with the marriage licence's in although they just have the same info but sometimes have who put up the bond, I'll have a look for you when I'm there later this week for any clues.
In the mean time there are a couple of possible christenings:
3 Feb 1723 Mary daughter of John and Sara at Woodborough
2 Jan 1735 Mary daughter of John at Claverton,
both not far from Bulcote
Bulcote is not on my disc but can have a look to see if there was any christening's there when I'm in the archives.
NG
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Hi,
In Nottingham archives there are books with the marriage licence's in although they just have the same info but sometimes have who put up the bond, I'll have a look for you when I'm there later this week for any clues.
In the mean time there are a couple of possible christenings:
3 Feb 1723 Mary daughter of John and Sara at Woodborough
2 Jan 1735 Mary daughter of John at Claverton,
both not far from Bulcote
Bulcote is not on my disc but can have a look to see if there was any christening's there when I'm in the archives.
NG
Hello there,
Thank you very much for this. If you could have a look in the archives when you next go, that would be fantastic. Cheers!
I could not find a burial for Mary Bailey (was Lee) either.
Mary and William Bailey had a Daughter called Ruth, born in Lowdham in 1757. She was one of my ancestors.
Ruth married Thomas Whitt/Witt in Gonalston in 1781.
Then next, Ruth Whitt, married Henry Wright in Hoveringham, in around 1786.
I looked on Freereg, and in the meantime, there was a William "Bayley", of Lowdham, who married in Hoveringham, in 1770. But it does not say if this William was widowed or not.
Thanks once again. :) ;)
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Ruth Bailey married Thomas WIT 22nd Jan 1781 in Gonalston. They had 1 son called John baptised 4 Nov 1781 in Gedling. Thomas WHITT was buried 2 Jan 1784 in Gedling, his abode listed as Stoke.
Ruth then married Henry Wright ( A widower- his wife was buried 12 July 1785) on 2nd Jan 1786 in Hoveringham. They had 8 children.
Henry Wright and Ruth were my 4x great grandparents.
Just to add confusion...and I will not be upset to be proven wrong on this, as I much prefer the facts. I have Ruth Bailey baptised 9 Sept 1757 in Lowdham, the 2nd daughter and 3rd child of William Bailey and Mary Padley, who married 22nd Oct 1751 in Holme Pierrepont. This William could have been a widower as there is a burial in Lowdham 1747 for an Elizabeth wife of William. Marriage Lowdham 28 Dec 1736 William Bayley and Elizabeth Caley.
There was another child born at Lowdham to William and Ruth.
Baptised 24 Sept 1753 Sindonia . She was buried in Lowdham 25 Jun 1755
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Ruth Bailey married Thomas WIT 22nd Jan 1781 in Gonalston. They had 1 son called John baptised 4 Nov 1781 in Gedling. Thomas WHITT was buried 2 Jan 1784 in Gedling, his abode listed as Stoke.
Ruth then married Henry Wright ( A widower- his wife was buried 12 July 1785) on 2nd Jan 1786 in Hoveringham. They had 8 children.
Henry Wright and Ruth were my 4x great grandparents.
Just to add confusion...and I will not be upset to be proven wrong on this, as I much prefer the facts. I have Ruth Bailey baptised 9 Sept 1757 in Lowdham, the 2nd daughter and 3rd child of William Bailey and Mary Padley, who married 22nd Oct 1751 in Holme Pierrepont. This William could have been a widower as there is a burial in Lowdham 1747 for an Elizabeth wife of William. Marriage Lowdham 28 Dec 1736 William Bayley and Elizabeth Caley.
There was another child born at Lowdham to William and Ruth.
Baptised 24 Sept 1753 Sindonia . She was buried in Lowdham 25 Jun 1755
Thank you very much for this,
I didn't know that Ruth Bailey and Thomas Whitt, had a son. I didn't know also the date of when Thomas Whitt died either.
I didn't know about the marriage between William Bayley and Elizabeth Caley in 1736, so thanks very much for this also.
Regarding a marriage between William Bayley, and Mary Padley at Holme Pierrepont in 1751:
On Freereg, William's abode has been put down as: "St Mary's, Nottingham", on the date of the marriage. He has been transcribed as: "William Baillie". St Mary's (I think) was a parish in the city of Nottingham.
On Freereg for the marriage between Mary Lee, and William Bailey - transcribed this time "Bayley": William's abode at the time of marriage has been put down as: "Cathorp". This is most probably Caythorpe, which is quite near Lowdham. Mary Lee's abode has been put down as: "Bullcoat". This is probably most likely to be Bulcote, which is also quite near Lowdham.
Therefore on the balance of probability, I believe that the marriage between Mary Lee, and William Bailey to be the correct one for parents of our ancestor Ruth, baptised 1757 in Lowdham.
Family trees can sometimes be wrong of course. But I got my information through scouring the internet, looking at this tree, and then trying to check a few things out from it:
http://www.onerudyard.plus.com/genealogy/people/p0000004.htm#I1216
I am trying to think of reasons as to why Mary Lee, and William Bailey would have been married by Licence. Off the top of my head, could it have been possibly because of Mary's age?
Or could it also have been because William may have been a Widdower? If so, I think it may have been possible that William had previously married at Lowdham in 1736.
Thank you very much. :) ;)
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Hello, :)
I see nottsgirl1 has kindly offered her help, so I hope she doesn't mind if I post this to be going on with.
Bulcote is a is a chapelry of Burton Joyce. (only 1 baptism for any Lee and that was 1900 and no Lee Burials at Burton Joyce.)
From my Nottinghamshire Marriage Licence disk....
26 Aug 1752 - William BAYLEY, of Caythorpe, p.Lowdham, 36, wid., & Mary LEE, of Bulcote, 22.; at St Peter's.
There are lots of Bailey folk buried in Lowdham, 15 named Mary.
Of the 15 there are 5 that could likely be yours between 1763 and 1801.
The first two stand out to me.... do you know what happened to the Mary baptised to William & Mary 3rd April 1763? ....
Burials at Lowdham St Mary the Virgin.
Mary Bailey - 10th July 1763 - inf.
Mary Bailey - 23rd Oct 1763 - no age given
Mary Bailey - 22nd Sept 1782 - no age given
Mary Bailey - 18th March 1800 - no age given
Mary Bailey - 16th Nov 1801 - no age given
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Hello, :)
I see nottsgirl1 has kindly offered her help, so I hope she doesn't mind if I post this to be going on with.
Bulcote is a is a chapelry of Burton Joyce. (only 1 baptism for any Lee and that was 1900 and no Lee Burials at Burton Joyce.)
From my Nottinghamshire Marriage Licence disk....
26 Aug 1752 - William BAYLEY, of Caythorpe, p.Lowdham, 36, wid., & Mary LEE, of Bulcote, 22.; at St Peter's.
There are lots of Bailey folk buried in Lowdham, 15 named Mary.
Of the 15 there are 5 that could likely be yours between 1763 and 1801.
The first two stand out to me.... do you know what happened to the Mary baptised to William & Mary 3rd April 1763? ....
Burials at Lowdham St Mary the Virgin.
Mary Bailey - 10th July 1763 - inf.
Mary Bailey - 23rd Oct 1763 - no age given
Mary Bailey - 22nd Sept 1782 - no age given
Mary Bailey - 18th March 1800 - no age given
Mary Bailey - 16th Nov 1801 - no age given
Thank you very much for this information regarding the marriage of Mary Lee, and William Bailey, in 1752. The fact that William has been put down as a Widow, may show that he could have previously been married in Lowdham, in 1736, as Larkspur found a marriage for a William Bailey there.
I don't know what happened to Mary Bailey baptised to William and Ruth in 1763. But I think there is a good chance that she could have been buried in Lowdham on the 10th of July 1763. Especially if she has been put down as "infant", on the burial record.
I had a look on Freereg. On Freereg there is a marriage between a William Bailey "of the parish of Lowdham", and Mary Sayers, at Hoveringham. They were married on the 8th of May 1770.
Of course, it does not say on Freereg if this William Bailey was widowed or not. There is a chance that this could have been my William Bailey, but I'm not sure: William Bailey and Mary, did have a son called William, who was baptised in Lowdham in 1755. Would this make that William Bailey too young to get married? I wander if there is any chance that you have that marriage from 1770 on disc also please? :)
If that marriage between William Bailey and Mary Sayers is the same William, then the Mary Bailey buried the 23 of October 1763 in Lowdham could be correct. It also corresponds with the fact that the last child between the pair (Mary), and the last baptism that I can find for children born from the pair, ends in 1763.
Cheers. :) ;)
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Hello, :)
From my Nottinghamshire Marriage Licence disk....
26 Aug 1752 - William BAYLEY, of Caythorpe, p.Lowdham, 36, wid., & Mary LEE, of Bulcote, 22.; at St Peter's.
Regarding a baptism for William Bailey: I found this on Family Search: There was a "William Baily", baptised at Lowdham on the 17th of July 1716. He was a son of a Francis Baily, and a Mary:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQ6W-5RJ
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Hello, :)
I see nottsgirl1 has kindly offered her help, so I hope she doesn't mind if I post this to be going on with.
Hi,
No I don't mind Dizzifish any thing that help find the info quicker is always welcome. The info you gave is only what I would have found so RRB can now move on with his research.
Thank you Dizzifish.
NG
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"Regarding a marriage between William Bayley, and Mary Padley at Holme Pierrepont in 1751:
On Freereg, William's abode has been put down as: "St Mary's, Nottingham", on the date of the marriage. He has been transcribed as: "William Baillie". St Mary's (I think) was a parish in the city of Nottingham.
On Freereg for the marriage between Mary Lee, and William Bailey - transcribed this time "Bayley": William's abode at the time of marriage has been put down as: "Cathorp". This is most probably Caythorpe, which is quite near Lowdham. Mary Lee's abode has been put down as: "Bullcoat". This is probably most likely to be Bulcote, which is also quite near Lowdham.
Therefore on the balance of probability, I believe that the marriage between Mary Lee, and William Bailey to be the correct one for parents of our ancestor Ruth, baptised 1757 in Lowdham."
You are probably correct. I think maybe why I discounted them as the Lowdham William & Mary, was due to the baptisms of 2 children in Nottingham, St Mary. Rebecca Bailey on 15 Nov 1754 and William Baillie on 16 Nov 1757.
There was a Mary Lee baptised 9 Jun 1729 dau of Joseph & Ann at Nottingham, St Mary.
Also this one 20 Oct 1733 Mary dau of William & Mary Lees at Bramcote.
Gedling, All Hallows
Name: John Whytt
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 4 Nov 1781
Christening Place: Gedling, Nottinghamshire, England
Father: Thomas Whytt
Mother: Ruth
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Hello, :)
I see nottsgirl1 has kindly offered her help, so I hope she doesn't mind if I post this to be going on with.
Hi,
No I don't mind Dizzifish any thing that help find the info quicker is always welcome. The info you gave is only what I would have found so RRB can now move on with his research.
Thank you Dizzifish.
NG
Thank you very much to both of you,
It just would be interesting to know if there was a name of a person who put up the marriage bond, when Mary Lee and William Bailey were married. :)
Regarding a baptism for Mary Lee, corresponding to her age at marriage, I found one baptised at Nottingham St Marys in 1729, the daughter of a Joseph and an Ann. I found it on family search: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVCC-Y61
That is the closest I can get. :) ;)
Cheers.
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"Regarding a marriage between William Bayley, and Mary Padley at Holme Pierrepont in 1751:
On Freereg, William's abode has been put down as: "St Mary's, Nottingham", on the date of the marriage. He has been transcribed as: "William Baillie". St Mary's (I think) was a parish in the city of Nottingham.
On Freereg for the marriage between Mary Lee, and William Bailey - transcribed this time "Bayley": William's abode at the time of marriage has been put down as: "Cathorp". This is most probably Caythorpe, which is quite near Lowdham. Mary Lee's abode has been put down as: "Bullcoat". This is probably most likely to be Bulcote, which is also quite near Lowdham.
Therefore on the balance of probability, I believe that the marriage between Mary Lee, and William Bailey to be the correct one for parents of our ancestor Ruth, baptised 1757 in Lowdham."
You are probably correct. I think maybe why I discounted them as the Lowdham William & Mary, was due to the baptisms of 2 children in Nottingham, St Mary. Rebecca Bailey on 15 Nov 1754 and William Baillie on 16 Nov 1757.
There was a Mary Lee baptised 9 Jun 1729 dau of Joseph & Ann at Nottingham, St Mary.
Also this one 20 Oct 1733 Mary dau of William & Mary Lees at Bramcote.
Gedling, All Hallows
Name: John Whytt
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 4 Nov 1781
Christening Place: Gedling, Nottinghamshire, England
Father: Thomas Whytt
Mother: Ruth
Thank you very much for this information once again Larkspur, ;)
Regarding a baptism for Mary, the one that you mentioned for the year 1729, would be the closest that I can get to for one that would fit for Mary's recorded age at marriage in 1752.
I didn't come across the Bramcote baptism for Mary Lees in 1733. Where is that one from please?
I have just come across a Mary Lees baptism for the 8th of December 1734, at St. Peter's Church, Nottingham. I found that on Freereg. The interesting thing for this one is that the baptism occurred in the same church that Mary Lee and William Bailey were married in. :) :)
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"26 Aug 1752 - William BAYLEY, of Caythorpe, p.Lowdham, 36, wid., & Mary LEE, of Bulcote, 22.; at St Peter's."
"I have just come across a Mary Lees baptism for the 8th of December 1734, at St. Peter's Church, Nottingham. I found that on Freereg. The interesting thing for this one is that the baptism occurred in the same church that Mary Lee and William Bailey were married in."
If the baptism is correct she would have been 18 (ish) years old. One reason for a licence maybe? Although why 22 on the marriage.Someone getting confused or telling fibbies :o
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Hi,
Have been into the archives this morning and had a look at the marriage licence book says the same as Larkspur has put above and had a word with a member of staff and they said the reason for the Licence was because they were not living in St Peter's parish as to be married by banns would need to be living in the parish.
Hope this help
NG
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Hi,
Have been into the archives this morning and had a look at the marriage licence book says the same as Larkspur has put above and had a word with a member of staff and they said the reason for the Licence was because they were not living in St Peter's parish as to be married by banns would need to be living in the parish.
Hope this help
NG
Thank you very much for looking for me. :)
So the reason that they were married by Licence was because they weren't living in the parish of St. Peter's - not because Mary was lying about her age.
If that is the case, then the baptism that Larkspur found for Mary Lee baptised in 1729 in Nottingham, may be the closest that we can get for her age at the time of marriage in 1752. :)
Cheers.
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Hi RRB,
Yes the Mary Lee 1729 could well be the one, St Mary and St Peters churches are very close only abt 5 minutes walk from one to the other. St Peter's Church is now a cafe and is surrounded by shops the main one being Marks and Spencers.
NG
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I've found out through Freereg that this Mary Lee may have been the Daughter of a Joseph Lee, and an Anne Kirk. They were married on the 5th of July 1728, at St. Mary's, Nottingham. Joseph was possibly a widow.
There was an Anne Kirk who was baptised in Arnold, on the 5th of November 1706, the daughter of a Jonathan, and an Anne. I found this on Freereg. I typed in "Bulcote/ Burton Joyce" and "Nearby Places". This was the only baptism that came up.
Regarding Joseph Lee: The only one I could find for this area, was a baptism on the 6th of January 1685, at Nottingham St. Mary's. He was a son of a: "Mr. Thomas Lee", and a Dorothy.
I found the baptism of Mary Lee in 1729, at St. Mary's, Nottingham, within this "nearby places" search.
I then looked up a burial for a Joseph Lee in the same area on Freereg: I think I found three. There was one in 1755, one in 1785, and one around 1804.
The first date I found was at Calverton buried on the 17th of April 1755. In the notes on that burial it said:
"Stockiner- last of the family of stocking Frame inventor Lee on this parish".
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Hi RRB,
Had a look on my disc and found that Joseph and Ann also had a son William christened 23 June 1730 at St Marys.
Found a number of burials for Joseph;
St Marys, 21 Feb 1738, 23 Oct 1752 and 31 May 1793
Arnold St Mary's 13 Oct 1776, 4 Oct 1785 there is a Will for this one, 14 Jan 1793 again there is a Will and 17 June 1804.
Cannot see one 1755 on my disc.
NG
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Also found this don't know if it the same Joseph Lee as you are looking at:
Surname Lee, Joseph, -, fl 1729 (formerly of Nottingham St Peter, Nottinghamshire, now gone away)
Original Spelling Lee, Joseph, -, fl 1729 (formerly of Nottingham St Peter, Nottinghamshire, now gone away)
Role presentee
Offence not paying church dues
Place Of Event Nottingham (St Peter)
Date Of Event 5.5.1729
Type Of Entity Archdeaconry
Code NAI171806
web site link: http://mss-cat.nottingham.ac.uk/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Persons&id=NAI171806&pos=3
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Hi RRB,
Had a look on my disc and found that Joseph and Ann also had a son William christened 23 June 1730 at St Marys.
Found a number of burials for Joseph;
St Marys, 21 Feb 1738, 23 Oct 1752 and 31 May 1793
Arnold St Mary's 13 Oct 1776, 4 Oct 1785 there is a Will for this one, 14 Jan 1793 again there is a Will and 17 June 1804.
Cannot see one 1755 on my disc.
NG
Thank you,
The 1755 burial in Calverton I found on Freereg.
I couldn't find the 1738, 1752 or 1776 burials on Freereg, so thank you for those. Thanks also for finding the baptism of William.
The ones in 1785, 1793, and 1804 in Arnold could be a possibility. But if it is the same one who married in 1728, that would mean that he died at a very big age indeed, because they are 57 years and above from when he got married.
Thank you very much once again for all your help. :)