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I have looked unsuccessfully on Ancestry .freebmd and even Scotland's people
But can't find a marriage record for Nimrod Gardner B.1827 in Bugbrook Northamptonshire
and Mary b.abt 1830 Scotland
They are living in Helsby with a 6 month baby in 1851. He is an agricultural labourer
They have several children in Helsby then move to Birkenhead where they have more children
Nimrod becomes a plate layer and they are on all censuses in Birkenhead til their deaths 1910
There is a Nimrod Gardner in 1841 as a cordwinder in Northamptonshire but i.m not sure it is the right man.his father and siblings are still in Bugbrook at that time .
I would like to know Mary.s maiden name ...I wonder what made her travel from Scotland
I can't believe they didn't get married with so many children ...help finding this marriage will be appreciated.
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The 1881 census shows Mary as being from Moffat Scotland
None of the other censuses give a district
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Looking at their daughter Caroline's birth in 1859 in Helsby, Cheshire on the GRO Birth Index her mother's maiden name is listed as Brown
Caroline Gardner March Qtr 1859 RUNCORN Volume 08A Page 205
Kay
Added - Eldest daughter Sarah Gardner also listed with mmn Brown
Sept Quarter 1850 RUNCORN UNION Volume 19 Page 236
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Thanks Kay .
.I must learn how to do that type of search
The name Brown won't help much in searching for her parents....let's hope for another breakthrough
Meanwhile I found a Mary Gardner aged 19 in 1846 in criminal court in Cheshire
6 months prison for receiving stolen goods ..... Hope that's not her
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The GRO Birth Index is a wonderful resource . Sadly with a name like Nimrod any marriage he did make should be easily found so maybe be the couple just didn't marry :-\
Kay
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Possible
Mary Brown. baptised 01 Aug 1830. Kirkpatrick Juxta, Dumfries, Scotland.
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There is also this Mary - but further from Moffat - Used to love Moffat toffee :)
Mary Brown
Birth 5 Mar 1831 Applegarth, Dumfries
Father John Brown
Mother Janet Wilson
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The 1881 census shows Mary as being from Moffat Scotland
None of the other censuses give a district
Mofffat is just over 3 miles south of Kirkpatrick Juxta
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/DFS/
Possible
Mary Brown baptised 01 Aug 1830. Kirkpatrick Juxta, Dumfries, Scotland.
parents named as George BROWN and Sarah CRAIG
What about naming patterns of NIMROD & MARY's children
Nimrod's parents JAMES & CHARLOTTE and N&M first child named SARAH
Is this the complete list of N&M's children?
SARAH - could have been named after Mary's mother :-\
CHARLOTTE - named after Nimrod's mother
NIMROD - named after parent
Sarah Ann
John
Caroline
GEORGE - could have been named after Mary's father :-\
MARY - named after parent
Richard
William
JAMES - named after Nimrod's father
Jane
Like everyone else I can't find a marriage either for a Nimrod GARD(E)NER (tried variations of surname) to Mary BROWN ??? There is one on FreeBMD in 1842 Daventry for Nimrod GARDNER,
3 other females but sadly no Mary and there doesn't appear to be a missing female name :-\
Tried familysearch, Cheshire OPC, Cheshire BMD too ???
Have you found Mary on the 1841 census?
I see they were living in Birkenhead district 1901
Nimrod's death
Nimrod GARDNER age 83 (1827)
Mar 1910 Birkenhead 8a 314
Is this Mary's death? If so, she has a middlename
Mary Amelia Gardner age 78 (c1830)
Dec 1908 Birkenhead 8a 306
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This thread has a lot of info but the marriage of Nimrod and Mary.
http://www.GenesReunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1339802
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Thanks so much everyone
You'd be surprised how many Nimrod Gardener.s there were
So yes I have seen his father James marriage to Charlotte Malsmbury with his father Nimrod as a labourer
our Nimrod was named after his grandfather and had at least one cousin and two nephews called Nimrod
his own son Nimrod died young .
But his own marriage is proving very hard to find
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Thanks so much everyone
Yes those Mary Browns are all feasible ...I wonder how many possibilities there are
I havent looked for Mary in 1841 as I didn't have a surname ...will do that now
He appears on search of James Gardner's marriage to Charlotte Malsmbury
Our Nimrod has at least one cousin and a nephew with same name and his 3 rd son who died young was named after himself .
I think of that as the Scottish naming system so second son s name may well be a clue to the Scottish grandfather.s name
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Mary doesn't have a middle name in any of the censuses
her death should be between 1901 and 1911
And I would expect it to be in. Birkenhead
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Just had a thought, Kirkpatrick Juxta is not that far from Gretna Green could Nimrod and Mary have married there? I think Gretna records are An****ry but I have'nt got subscription.
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Mary Brown baptised 01 Aug 1830. Kirkpatrick Juxta, Dumfries, Scotland.
parents George Brown & Sarah Craig
Yes those Mary Browns are all feasible ...I wonder how many possibilities there are
I havent looked for Mary in 1841 as I didn't have a surname ...will do that now
There are these 1841c entries
Parish: Moffat
County:Dumfriesshire
West Church Street
Sarah CRAIG 40
Mary BROWN 10
George MARCHBANK 43
Mary BROWN Age: 12 Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Kirkpatrick Juxta
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Coats Yet
Occupation: Ag Lab
Parish Number: 838
No other persons surname Brown
Head Nathaniel MURRAY
Just had a thought, Kirkpatrick Juxta is not that far from Gretna Green could Nimrod and Mary have married there?
I think Gretna records are An****ry but I have'nt got subscription.
I couldn't find a marriage in Gretna Green for them
If the marriage took place I would assume we are looking after 1841 census when Nimrod was in Northampton and the birth of their dau Sarah born 1850 Frodsham in Cheshire (Sept qtr.)
Lots of Mary Brown's marrying 1846 - 1851 Cheshire BMD but no one named Nimrod ???
I could only find the Sept. 1842 marriage entry in Daventry (Northamptonshire) between 1841-1850 ???
Nimrod Gardner
To either
Hannah Dobbs
Ann Hollis
Letitia Waite
Other males
William Reynold
William Walton
Nimrod age 20 cordwainer on his own in 1841 living Rushton Northampton
might be worth looking to see if there’s a Mary Brown anywhere close by
then by 1851 he’s with his wife Mary born c 1830 Scotland (pob Moffat 1881) and child
Sarah 6mths born Frodsham Cheshire c1850 living registration district of Runcorn
Was Mary living in Scotland, Northampton or Cheshire 1841?
There is a Mary Brown age 12 living in Runcorn but her pob is indicated by ‘Y’ she is with
Samuel Brown & Margaret? and 5 older siblings
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Maybe he had a first wife ...
There are quite a few mary.Brown born in Scotland in various places in England in 1941
I liked the pupil in Birkenhead school ..not of this parish
Or the one living with a 60 year old washerwoman * Ann Parry who could be a grandmother
* at Christleton Cheshire
And there was one with her family . Father Andrew Brown ..mother .and 6'siblings in Northumberland
I've put the first few in my shoebox facility on ancestry so I can look again
As you can see I can't carry too many names and places in my head .
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Ladyhawke I'm sorry I don't think I answered your question about the children's names
The first Sarah died young so Sarah Ann may have been named after her or nimrods own sister who died young
possibility that Mary.s mother's name was Sarah or Caroline
Mary Brown mother could be a Sarah or Caroline Parry if the washerwoman inn1841 was her grandmother
And yes your list of 11 children was correct though I think there may have been an earlier James who died in infancy
Nimrod named after himself and his grandfather James after his father so ....
Names for Mary's father ( if she had one ) could be John. George .or Richard
Thanks for attempt ing this challenge
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I didn't answer the question about Getna Greene either
I tried looking at Scottish records..no luck
If Nimrod is mistranscribed as William there are hundreds of possibilities !
I found one in1951 Gloucester with the right birth years for a Mary Smith and William Gardner got interested before I realised how many more there were .
I.ll keep in mind the name Sarah Crieg and Mary Brown from your Dumfries records just in case the name crops up again .
Ps you mentioned a marriage of Nimrod with a possible name of Ann Hollis that may be worth looking into as the Samuel Hollis /Hallis family adopted my grandma nimrod.s granddaughter in 1900
and was a similar age to Nimrod and lived nearby in Birkenhead
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I'm not sure that all the records of pre-registration Scottish marriages have survived - my gg grandfather was married about 1848 - 1849-ish, and we've never found his marriage despite years of searching for it. :(
He was from Cramlington in Northumberland, and she was living in Berwick having been brought up in Eyemouth. Family tradition has it they were married in Eyemouth, but there's no sign of them in the parish registers, or in the United Secession church. Or anywhere else!
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I concluded that they were unlikely to have married in Scotland
I kept the 3 most likely 1841 on Mary Brown s profile on my Ancestry file
Prawn cocktail I often find more than 1 married record because they have the banns too in England
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I think it likely that the Kirkpatrick Juxta birth to George Brown and Sarah Craig matches with the 1841 Moffat census entry that Ladyhawk found. It was not unusual ( certainly in Scotland) in the 1841 census for married women/ widows to be listed under their maiden name.
Isobel
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Thsnks so muvh just in time for me to pass on discovries so far to my mum
Were plannung to go to Bugbrooke soon and met a distant relative who is connected to x Gardeners who went to utah usa salt lake city and set up a mormon community .
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I still haven't made it to Bugbrooke
DNA links me to someone with Gardener ancestors in Bugbrooke
We are 5th cousins and link back directly to Nimrod.s parents James Gardner and Charlotte Malmesbury
She.s descended from one of Nimrod s siblings
It's great that the DNA and paper trail is so correct .
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Nimrod Gardner (sic) freely available on the Internet.
https://www.GenesReunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1339802
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Thanks Barry
You.posted my Genes Reunited thread about trying get to find all Nimrod. s children and their descendants
I wasn't really interested in his wife until I realised she may have some connection with my grandmother s adoptive family .
There is also a link on there to newspaper articles about this family from Bugbrooke to Birkenhead wiitness to crime . A child criminal + a tragedy
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I looked again at this thread and realized I did not know where Bugbrooke was. Not good. Here it is.
Bugbrooke is a large village and civil parish in Northamptonshire, England, on a ridge overlooking the valley of the River Nene.
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update 3 years later
Isobel and others you were right I'm now getting matches to Scottish CRAIG and Brown names descendant
+ Thru lines on ancestry to Sarah Craig as mother of Mary
Also other descendents of Nimrod's grandfather also Nimrod of Bugbrook ...
Many thanks for all your contributions
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Update ;
Re ladyhawk s reply 7
There is a possibility that Mary's middle name was Amelia as I've now found another of her granddaughters was Mary Amelia Chesney
Whose great grandaughter is a DNA match to us .