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Title: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: robert g shaw on Friday 15 September 17 10:39 BST (UK)
hi

i dont know whether this is common knowledge or not, but when i was in derby records office last weekend, they told me that in about a month, all of the records held at the derbyshire records office at matlock will be available on ancestry... thatll be handy!
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: Marmalady on Friday 15 September 17 11:05 BST (UK)
Thats good to know  :)
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: sunflower on Friday 15 September 17 12:51 BST (UK)
That's great news.  Thanks for letting us know.

Carol
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Friday 15 September 17 15:28 BST (UK)
Brilliant news! I'm writing out my list even as I type! I might get to the bottom of those Newbolds and Toplis(s) characters at last!
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: robert g shaw on Friday 15 September 17 15:34 BST (UK)
nice to be able to give something back, after all the help ive requested..
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: janan on Friday 15 September 17 16:34 BST (UK)
Great news, thanks. I imagine that is why the images are no longer available to view on Family Search.

Jan ;)
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: bradburyd on Friday 15 September 17 17:14 BST (UK)
Do they really mean "all their records"? I'd be very surprised. Maybe all their parish registers? Time will tell I suppose.
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: janan on Friday 15 September 17 17:40 BST (UK)
I imagine just parish registers, but there may be other stuff. Wills would be good :D
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: robert g shaw on Friday 15 September 17 17:42 BST (UK)
I imagine just parish registers, but there may be other stuff. Wills would be good :D

some wills are on find my past, unsure how comprehensive it is.
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: robert g shaw on Friday 15 September 17 17:43 BST (UK)
Do they really mean "all their records"? I'd be very surprised. Maybe all their parish registers? Time will tell I suppose.

the guy told me 'everything they have at matlock'... i dunno, im only passing on the info.
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: BumbleB on Friday 15 September 17 17:47 BST (UK)
I imagine just parish registers, but there may be other stuff. Wills would be good :D

some wills are on find my past, unsure how comprehensive it is.

I suspect that the wills on FindMyPast are those within the jurisdiction of Lichfield Diocese.

You'll just have to wait and see how much of the Matlock information will be made available  :o
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: GrahamH on Friday 15 September 17 19:32 BST (UK)
Only handy if one has an Ancestry account. No good at all if one has signed up to FindMyPast. I complained a few weeks ago that they should not contract exclusively with any one company as it excludes non-account holders.

Re earlier posts:
1) It is the reason why the images are no longer available to view on Family Search. When I enquired a few weeks ago I was told they should never have been on Family Search. LDS had no permission to hold them.
2) The Derbyshire wills at FindMyPast are the ones held at Lichfield.
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: robert g shaw on Saturday 16 September 17 07:39 BST (UK)
Only handy if one has an Ancestry account. No good at all if one has signed up to FindMyPast.

true, and im on find my past, not on ancestry.... im not sure what FindMyPast has that ancestry doesnt, but ill get ancestry even if its for only a few months - its cheaper and more handy then travelling to matlock.

i might cancel find my past if i find ancestry is better.
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: BumbleB on Saturday 16 September 17 08:12 BST (UK)
Only handy if one has an Ancestry account. No good at all if one has signed up to FindMyPast.

It also works the other way round, when new collections are added to FindMyPast and one only has an account with Ancestry  :o

I've got both, so it doesn't affect me  :D :D  My area of research is Yorkshire - Ancestry has West Riding parish records, FindMyPast has BT's for the whole of Yorkshire, plus East and North Ridings.

And, in any case, it's so much easier than having to visit umpteen Record Offices.  Most libraries have access to one or the other sites.

Let's be positive about the release of records via these sites.   ;)
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: smudwhisk on Saturday 16 September 17 08:39 BST (UK)
1) It is the reason why the images are no longer available to view on Family Search. When I enquired a few weeks ago I was told they should never have been on Family Search. LDS had no permission to hold them.

I think you'll find that Familysearch didn't have permission to make them publically available on the web.  The fact they have copies on microfilm would be they had permission to hold them and make them available through their Family History Centres, something that obviously continues with the digital versions being restricted to viewing through the FHCs.
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Saturday 16 September 17 16:05 BST (UK)
I'm with "Ancestry" - perhaps we all ought to "buddy-up", one with an Ancestry account, and a partner with F.M.P, and between us we might manage to get the fullest possible story!
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: GrahamH on Sunday 17 September 17 07:32 BST (UK)
Only handy if one has an Ancestry account. No good at all if one has signed up to FindMyPast.

It also works the other way round, when new collections are added to FindMyPast and one only has an account with Ancestry  :o
Yes - which is why UK record offices should not enter into exclusive contracts with any one but make records available through all. Let the companies compete on service levels and technical expertise, not on what UK owned records they offer.
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: robert g shaw on Sunday 17 September 17 08:18 BST (UK)
I'm with "Ancestry" - perhaps we all ought to "buddy-up", one with an Ancestry account, and a partner with F.M.P, and between us we might manage to get the fullest possible story!

is that legal?
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: Guy Etchells on Sunday 17 September 17 09:15 BST (UK)
Only handy if one has an Ancestry account. No good at all if one has signed up to FindMyPast.

It also works the other way round, when new collections are added to FindMyPast and one only has an account with Ancestry  :o
Yes - which is why UK record offices should not enter into exclusive contracts with any one but make records available through all. Let the companies compete on service levels and technical expertise, not on what UK owned records they offer.

The exclusive contracts are only "short term" to allow the internet company time to recoup the costs in scanning and/or transcribing the records.
When we are talking about large datasets these costs are quite heavy even for large companies and they need to be able to recoup them relatively quickly, otherwise few/no records would be online.

This has been the model since the 1911 census became available online.

Cheers
Guy

PS Or perhaps even the 1901 Census ;)
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: GrahamH on Monday 18 September 17 06:59 BST (UK)
The exclusive contracts are only "short term" to allow the internet company time to recoup the costs in scanning and/or transcribing the records.
When we are talking about large datasets these costs are quite heavy even for large companies and they need to be able to recoup them relatively quickly, otherwise few/no records would be online.

This has been the model since the 1911 census became available online.

Cheers
Guy

PS Or perhaps even the 1901 Census ;)
I appreciate the costs, Guy. However, in the case of Derbyshire the digitising had already taken place. The database/images were already available at Matlock and (albeit unknown to Derbyshire CRO) via Family Search.
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: janan on Monday 18 September 17 09:46 BST (UK)
In the case of Derbyshire the digitising had already taken place. The database/images were already available at Matlock and (albeit unknown to Derbyshire CRO) via Family Search.

I wonder how they covered the cost?

Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: Guy Etchells on Monday 18 September 17 11:05 BST (UK)
The exclusive contracts are only "short term" to allow the internet company time to recoup the costs in scanning and/or transcribing the records.
When we are talking about large datasets these costs are quite heavy even for large companies and they need to be able to recoup them relatively quickly, otherwise few/no records would be online.

This has been the model since the 1911 census became available online.

Cheers
Guy

PS Or perhaps even the 1901 Census ;)
I appreciate the costs, Guy. However, in the case of Derbyshire the digitising had already taken place. The database/images were already available at Matlock and (albeit unknown to Derbyshire CRO) via Family Search.

The familysearch digitisation is/was part of their ongoing digitisation of all their microfilm holdings.
I have not accessed the Ancestry dataset but hope they were digitised from the registers rather than the microfilms (there is often a big difference in quality).

Do Ancestry have an esculvie contract with the Record Office as I know Findmypast put a selection of Derbyshire baptisms, marriage and burials online in 2011 but these may have been transcripts, I have not checked.

Cheers
Guy
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: janan on Monday 18 September 17 14:07 BST (UK)
Yes Guy, they are just transcripts on Find my Past and only for a limited number of parishes.

Jan
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: GrahamH on Tuesday 19 September 17 06:32 BST (UK)
Do Ancestry have an esculvie contract with the Record Office as I know Findmypast put a selection of Derbyshire baptisms, marriage and burials online in 2011 but these may have been transcripts, I have not checked.

Cheers
Guy
Yes, it is exclusive "for a number of years", but no indication as to how many years that may be.
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: Guy Etchells on Tuesday 19 September 17 09:04 BST (UK)
Do Ancestry have an esculvie contract with the Record Office as I know Findmypast put a selection of Derbyshire baptisms, marriage and burials online in 2011 but these may have been transcripts, I have not checked.

Cheers
Guy
Yes, it is exclusive "for a number of years", but no indication as to how many years that may be.

Perhaps it might be worth asking the reason and length of exclusivity.
Cheers
Guy
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: GrahamH on Wednesday 20 September 17 06:46 BST (UK)
Perhaps it might be worth asking the reason and length of exclusivity.
Cheers
Guy
As mentioned, I had some correspondence with Derbyshire CRO a few weeks ago about this. They cited the need for LAs to obtain new sources of income, saying finally "we undertook a lengthy and complex tender process for putting our parish registers online.  The tenders were assessed against a number of factors; Ancestry were the winners in that process, and hence were awarded the contract.".

I didn't ask how long as there seemed no point in prolonging correspondence which was going nowhere.
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: robert g shaw on Wednesday 27 September 17 15:10 BST (UK)
can someone let us know when this is done please ? (derbyshire records on ancestry)
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: mijath on Wednesday 27 September 17 16:18 BST (UK)
All parish records appear to have been added yesterday.
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: robert g shaw on Wednesday 27 September 17 17:45 BST (UK)
All parish records appear to have been added yesterday.

thanks :)
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: mutchall on Thursday 28 September 17 21:24 BST (UK)
I've found that several parishes, perhaps upto a dozen or more, are systematically missing the parents' names from the transcripts for Baptisms post-1813.

The images appear to be mostly taken from microfilm, although the register of baptisms, 1813-1915, for Cromford, Saint Mary, which was damaged, has undergone rescanning in addition to the microfilm version.

FindMyPast are still missing the collection of wills taken from the Peculiar courts for the Lichfield diocese

Quote
Derbyshire Probate Courts

Here is a list of the courts that had probate jurisdiction over Derbyshire before 1858. For more information, click on a court name.

    Court of the Bishop of Lichfield and Coventry (Episcopal Consistory)
    Court of the Peculiar of the Dean and Chapter of Lichfield
    Court of the Peculiar of Burton upon Trent
    Court of the Peculiar of Hartington
    Court of the Peculiar of the Manor of Dale Abbey
    Court of the Peculiar of Peak Forest
    Court of the Peculiar of Sawley
    Prerogative Court of the Archbishop of Canterbury

Code: [Select]
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Derbyshire_Probate_Records
also see https://www.staffsnameindexes.org.uk/Documents/INDEXES%20-%20Lichfield%20Wills%20Index%20peculiar%20jurisdictions.pdf
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: candleflame on Friday 29 September 17 10:31 BST (UK)
My email from ancestry telling me the Derbyshire records were there arrived this morning. I know what I'm up to this wet Friday!!!
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: jonw65 on Friday 29 September 17 12:19 BST (UK)
The images appear to be mostly taken from microfilm

Yes, the microfilms made by the LDS, and until recently available to view on FamilySearch.
The irony!
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: smudwhisk on Friday 29 September 17 12:28 BST (UK)
The images appear to be mostly taken from microfilm

Yes, the microfilms made by the LDS, and until recently available to view on FamilySearch.
The irony!

But apparently without the Record Office's permission, hence they became restricted.
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: jonw65 on Friday 29 September 17 12:52 BST (UK)
True, and I presume coverage may be more comprehensive on ancestry.
As we know, if something is available on FamilySearch take advantage while you can!
John


Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: goldie61 on Friday 29 September 17 21:40 BST (UK)

True, and I presume coverage may be more comprehensive on ancestry.
As we know, if something is available on FamilySearch take advantage while you can!
John




And still available to view at an LDS library - for free. :)
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: mijath on Saturday 30 September 17 11:33 BST (UK)
I've been searching the Derbyshire parish registers on Ancestry for a couple of days now.

I've noticed a few errors - search results showing one parish but linking to another parish's register, for example. Overall I wouldn't trust the search results yet, keep digging manually if a record you're expecting does not appear when you search.

I also note a couple of parishes I'm interested in are not included.

Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: smudwhisk on Saturday 30 September 17 13:36 BST (UK)
I also note a couple of parishes I'm interested in are not included.

Winshill being one. :-\
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: janan on Saturday 30 September 17 16:43 BST (UK)
Overall I wouldn't trust the search results yet, keep digging manually if a record you're expecting does not appear when you search.

Yes, I've had to do that for quite a few Wirksworth records.

Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: robert g shaw on Sunday 01 October 17 08:38 BST (UK)
my problem is...... i cannot find on other sources records for people, being born, marrying and dieing - thomas hill and wife hester of mugginton for eg - yet theres plenty of births citing these as parents.

so if they dont appear on ancestry, is it because they are incorrectly loaded or dont they exist?
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: GrahamH on Sunday 01 October 17 13:18 BST (UK)
I've seen a report on a Facebook group, today, of some glaring errors in the indexing provided by Ancestry. Examples are "Kirglai" instead of "Nicholai", "Huhelin" instead of "Gulielmi" and "Wechallin Ejus" instead of "Durneelee Willielmus".
I would recommend that any such errors found are reported to Derbyshire CRO, rather than Ancestry.
If Ancestry receives reports they may well correct them (why not, all the work has been done for them) but there is no incentive for them to spend money to institute a more general quality check (and the CRO may never even hear of it).
On the other hand if the CRO receives multiple reports then they should be able to bring pressure to bear upon Ancestry to bring the index up to the required standard.
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: smudwhisk on Sunday 01 October 17 14:47 BST (UK)
I've seen a report on a Facebook group, today, of some glaring errors in the indexing provided by If Ancestry receives reports they may well correct them (why not, all the work has been done for them) but there is no incentive for them to spend money to institute a more general quality check (and the CRO may never even hear of it).

Ancestry will just update the entries with the suggested alternatives, they do not and never have actually changed them completely.  I doubt somehow the Record Office would be interested, nothing as been done previously as this is an ongoing issue which also applies to Findmypast.  While I agree that the indexing leaves a lot to be desired at times, there is nothing to stop people playing around with the search and/or browsing the images.  Something that they would have to do if they went to the Record Office anyway.  If either Ancestry or Findmypast spent a lot more on indexing (which most likely would be needed to get improved indexes), there would more than likely be an big increase in subscription costs, something I doubt anyone wishes to see.
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: janan on Sunday 01 October 17 15:13 BST (UK)
  While I agree that the indexing leaves a lot to be desired at times, there is nothing to stop people playing around with the search and/or browsing the images.  Something that they would have to do if they went to the Record Office anyway.  If either Ancestry or Findmypast spent a lot more on indexing (which most likely would be needed to get improved indexes), there would more than likely be an big increase in subscription costs, something I doubt anyone wishes to see.

I actually enjoyed having to browse the records to find what I wanted. I would certainly rather do that from time to time than not be able to afford to access records at all.
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: robert g shaw on Sunday 01 October 17 18:52 BST (UK)
seriously unimpressed.

i paid for a month to see how it goes, but initial impressions arent good. they dont stock wills i know exist, ive seen them on find my past, ive only seen 1 record from the derbyshire records office, all the others have no available image, they dont find some people i know are listed on other sites, and so far - they havnt found anything not on other sites.
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: smudwhisk on Sunday 01 October 17 19:48 BST (UK)
they dont stock wills i know exist, ive seen them on find my past, ive only seen 1 record from the derbyshire records office, all the others have no available image, they dont find some people i know are listed on other sites, and so far - they havnt found anything not on other sites.

Wills aren't included, they are only parish registers.

As for the search, well you have to play around with soundex or the use of *, or just browse the registers if you know the dates, even approximate, and location.  If you search Rootschat you will find numerous threads regarding the issues with the indexes on both Ancestry and Findmypast, and for that matter elsewhere.  Mistakes are made based on people's interpretation and their skill at reading the handwriting.  Yes its frustrating but its far better that the records are more easily available.  Its a matter of working with the sites and other indexes available to find what you are looking for.  That said, its always possible something doesn't exist anyway, there are gaps in many parish registers at various times for various reasons. 

As I said in my previous post, if they spent a lot more money on indexing, the subscriptions would most likely be much higher and people would complain about that.  At least they are now more easily accessible.  Ancestry isn't perfect, never has been, there are still registers missing from the London Metropolitan Archives collection which were released in 2009, you just have to accept this happens.  And Findmypast are no better, their Hertfordshire collection has masses missing and as yet they have done nothing about it and they were released a few years back.
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 01 October 17 22:05 BST (UK)
Wills - pre 1858 - are lodged with the Diocese.  There are a lot of Derbyshire parishes which came under the jurisdiction of the Diocese of Lichfield.  Have you checked the holdings on FindMyPast of Lichfield wills under Staffordshire holdings.

 
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: Newfloridian on Saturday 07 October 17 10:21 BST (UK)
I am currently studying baptismal records from the newly added Derbyshire lists on Ancestry. My particular interest has always been South Normanton which until now has been extremely patchy with what has been available on line. This place also had a reputation for high illegitimacy rates which made tracing family lines tortuous if not impossible.

Image my surprise and delight when I found many records in the form of:

June 16th 1814: Hannah, illegitimate daughter of Ann and Isaac: Jephson Ball

I (and several others on this forum) had come to this conclusion about Hannah but I don't think I've seen both parties named in this fashion in a Parish Record before

Alan
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: robert g shaw on Saturday 07 October 17 11:07 BST (UK)


I actually enjoyed having to browse the records to find what I wanted. I would certainly rather do that from time to time than not be able to afford to access records at all.

you mean getting onto a parish record then manually browsing to discover records that are not online?

ive done that but to no avail , i simply cannot find records for births, and marriages, that i know happened.

not only can i not locate a marriage for thomas hill and h/esther, despit 15 years of producing children in brailsford and mugginton , theres no marriage for john hill, (born 1700) nor a son samuel hill, samuel hill is mentioned in 2 wills by his uncles - 'samuel son of brother john' which suggests john married and fathered at least 1 child.

of course these marriages could have taken place elsewhere , but the only 'thomas and h/esther' i can find is in coventry 7 years before they started having children.
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: Youngy1981 on Wednesday 08 November 17 22:57 GMT (UK)
Fantastic. Thanks for the update
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: T4Tim on Wednesday 08 November 17 23:01 GMT (UK)
Edit:
Never mind folks.
The lovely CaroleW got all sorted out.

Thank you.
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: T4Tim on Thursday 09 November 17 15:27 GMT (UK)
One last question though, for future digging:
My mothers given name has four variations; Marrianne, Marianne, Mariame and Marion making it difficult to pin down at times. I noticed other names changed from one census to the next.

What is the most reliable source for authenticity?


Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: Newfloridian on Thursday 09 November 17 15:46 GMT (UK)
As far as your Mum is concerned, if still available, ask her!

However, there is no one source which can be considered authentic. It's not just given names which change from census to census - but surnames do too. The most extreme I have from Derbyshire is Gaskin / Gascoynge (and several other minor variants). Many individuals in Victorian censuses were illietrate. So, it would depend on what the enumerator or the registrar thought he heard and the person not being able to read so couldn't correct a mistake. If you then add in regional accents the situation becomes magnitudes worse. On Tyneside, we had the appearance of a new surname presumably from a Geordie registrar not understanding fully the accent of broad Devonian fisherman.

For my own ease of record keeping and database management, I record them all as one standard form of name (Gaskin in the above example), and note variations in the notes section for each individual

Alan 
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: T4Tim on Thursday 09 November 17 16:08 GMT (UK)
Thanks Alan.
Mum's not hearing so well through the dirt.
I would have thought that since 1907, when she was born and registered, there would be a little more consistency but I understand what you say.

Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Friday 10 November 17 07:51 GMT (UK)
Don't forget "Mary Ann".
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: Dowdy on Tuesday 14 November 17 12:08 GMT (UK)
I have been trying to have a look on Parish Registers on Ancestry..but the page kicks me out saying it is no longer available..
Anyone else have the same problem?
Forgive me if it sounds like a stupid question!!
Dowdy
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: BumbleB on Tuesday 14 November 17 12:18 GMT (UK)
Dowdy - are you talking about the "Parish" under "What's Happening at Ancestry" on the home page, and when you click on Parish to tells you that this no longer exists?

Another way in, is via "View all new Records" on Home page, then when the new page appears, chose "Parish Records" from the list on the right-hand side of the page.  This will take you to what used to appear via "Parish" on the Home page.  Not sure if I can attach the procedure, but I'll try  ;)
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: Newfloridian on Tuesday 14 November 17 12:33 GMT (UK)
I think your best bet is either to put "Derbyshire records Ancestry" in your browser search field or try this:

Welcome to our Derbyshire family history research page.  (https://search.ancestry.co.uk/Places/UK/England/Derbyshire/Default.aspx)

I've not yet found these Derbyshire pages by going into Ancestry first.

Alan
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: BumbleB on Tuesday 14 November 17 12:41 GMT (UK)
Using my method, and highlighting "Midlands" , and Derbyshire - this is what I get

Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: Dowdy on Tuesday 14 November 17 13:08 GMT (UK)
Using my method, and highlighting "Midlands" , and Derbyshire - this is what I get

Thats the one!!

Thanks for your help.
I think I am underusing what I am paying for  :-\
Dowdy
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: BumbleB on Tuesday 14 November 17 13:12 GMT (UK)
It doesn't help when these websites change their methods.  I spoke to Ancestry some time ago regarding the "unavailable" page, but they still haven't fixed it.  Just by chance I found the alternative way in, and I suppose it does only involve two extra clicks.  :-\ :-X

Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: robert g shaw on Tuesday 14 November 17 13:19 GMT (UK)
I have been trying to have a look on Parish Registers on Ancestry..but the page kicks me out saying it is no longer available..
Anyone else have the same problem?
Forgive me if it sounds like a stupid question!!
Dowdy

just checked a couple of mine, they are still available..
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: Newfloridian on Tuesday 14 November 17 13:24 GMT (UK)
Whilst I do have a full subscription to Ancestry I don't rely on it and would never ever upload any material of my own onto it. I also have a full subscription to FindMyPast which is just as well as I am currently delving back to and beyond 1700 in the Leicestershire parish records (Great Easton). And, although Ancestry has some Rutland records rolled into its Northamptonshire collections, FindMyPast is by far more exhaustive.
Alan
Title: Re: derbyshire records on ancestry
Post by: smudwhisk on Tuesday 14 November 17 13:46 GMT (UK)
The Rutland records on Ancestery are the Bishops Transcripts held at Northampton Record Office, hence, as is normal with Bishops Transcripts, they are not so exhaustive as those on Findmypast from the Parish Registers.

There are also a few issues with the naming of parishes within the Bishops Transcripts.  Pickworth and Great Casterton have been amalgamated into one "parish" in the BTs but were actually two separate parishes with separate parish registers.  I don't think this is an Ancestry problem as they are showing the same on Familysearch.  It may be that the copies were submitted together as one originally hence the error.