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George W Welbourne B 1909 D 1978 who Married Elsie May Cox B 1912 D 1976
Elsie had a sister Irene May Cox B abt 1915
Elsie and Irenes father was Arthur Bryon Cox 1888 - 1925
There mother was Florence Brown 1889 - 1974.. Florence had a brother Robert Wright Brown B 1896 married Marie Ferguson McCarlie B 1893
Florence and Robert Brown - Mother was Mary Wright 1864 - 1942 - She married Robert Findlay Brown
I am particularly interested in the Maternal side of Elsie and Irene Cox coming through the Wright family where a number ended up in the Toronto area of Canada.. Mary Wright had siblings = Jane Wright, Margaret Morland Wright, John Morland Wright & Alex Cairns Wright.. He married a Keturah Anne Tindall...
Would love to identify further on the Wright family but wonder if the Subject header couple had any family ?
Any further leads on the people mentioned I would be grateful
Thanks
Scott Morland
Auckland
New Zealand
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....Would love to identify further on the Wright family but wonder if the Subject header couple had any family ? .....
Elsie M Welbourne's obituary says that she had 2 children. She died Dec 22, 1976. Wife of George. Mother of Mrs H E Clasper (E. A.*) and Mrs B P Ould (M). Grandmother of E G Clasper, J A Clasper and G W Ould. Sister of Jean Audrey Smith. Interment Mount Pleasant Cemetery.
Toronto Star, 24 Dec, 1976, page C8.
* I didn't use full names...if Elsie was born in 1912, then her daughters are most likely still living. The husbands of the two daughters are listed by initials in the obits, but the daughters' full names are given. Will PM you.
RK
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Elsie and George's tombstone on findagrave
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=welbourne&GSiman=1&GScid=639401&GRid=84784699&
RK
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Elsie's sister Jean Audrey Cox Smith 1923-2003.
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=smith&GSfn=jean&GSiman=1&GScid=639401&GRid=84823564&
RK
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Jean Audrey's obituary is in the Toronto Star on 19 July 2003, page B7.
She died at her son G and daughter in law G's home on July 17 2003. Wife of the late Ross Howard Smith. Mother of G, G and his wife G. Grandmother of C and C. Great grandmother of 5, soon to be six. Interment Mount Pleasant Cemetery.
RK
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Don't know if you already have Florence's obit.. if not, it is in the Toronto Star as well. 18 Dec 1974, Page B6.
She died at the Queensway General Hospital on 17 Dec. In her 86th year. Wife of the late Arthur Brian Cox. Mother of Elsie (Mrs George Welbourne) of Toronto, Jean (Mrs Ross Smith) of Etobicoke, and the late Irene Mary Houston of Toronto. Sister of the late Robert Brown. Interment Mount Pleasant Cemetery.
RK
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Irene Mary Cox Houston died at her late residence, 54 Divadale Drive Leaside (that is an area in the centre of Toronto), on Oct 21 1958. Wife of G Kenneth Houston. Mother of C A (a girl) and D B (a boy). Sister of Mrs George Welbourne (Elsie) and Mrs Ross Smith (Jean). Interment Mount Pleasant Cemetery.
Toronto Star, 22 Oct 1958, page 43
RK
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For the Wrights... you can find BMD records on familysearch (free) https://www.familysearch.org/search
Census records on the Library and Archives Canada site (also free)
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/Pages/census.aspx
Also here for some more free census records
http://automatedgenealogy.com/
Online Toronto City Directories
http://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/history-genealogy/lh-digital-city-directories.jsp
RK
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Thank you very much RunKitty for the fantastic help and leads.. I am very grateful for your help and support ..
Sincerely
Scott Morland
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Could this be Robert and Mary Brown with children Robert and Florence in 1901?
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=110618&highlight=24
If so, Robert Sr and Mary were both born in Scotland and came to Canada in 1885 and 1886 respectively.
Robert Wright Brown and Marie McCarlie marriage. This says that Robert's father, Robert Finlay Brown was from Port Patrick, Scotland.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G1PH-JFP?i=736&cc=1784216
Not sure if you already have this information.
RK
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Is this the marriage of Robert Finley Brown and Mary Wright?? Toronto, 1887??...
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-Y39R-BJ4?i=877&cc=1784216
He works for the railway (1901 census says he is an Engineer),and they are both from Stranraer Scotland (fits with location of his birth mentioned on their son's marriage registration).
Do you have all of this? Do you already know where in Scotland the Wrights are from, Mary's parents etc?? Are you only interested in Mary Wright's relatives' descendants here in Canada?
RK
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Is this the marriage of Robert Finley Brown and Mary Wright?? Toronto, 1887??...
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-Y39R-BJ4?i=877&cc=1784216
He works for the railway (1901 census says he is an Engineer),and they are both from Stranraer Scotland (fits with location of his birth mentioned on their son's marriage registration).
Do you have all of this? Do you already know where in Scotland the Wrights are from, Mary's parents etc?? Are you only interested in Mary Wright's relatives' descendants here in Canada?
RK
Hi RK, Thanks again.. The Wrights are from Stranraer in Scotland.. There mother was a Jane Morland who married a John Wright .. I did not have that marriage notice and I can see that Robert Brown is from Stranraer also .. Great info there.. I also note that John Morland Wright is a witness which is great info as I am trying to find out his fate .. Margaret Morland Wright was also a sister born in 1862 in Stranraer.. Not sure if she ended up in Canada.. There mother died in 1880 and I wonder if the father.. John Wright snr born abt 1835 (from Ireland) ended up in Canada ?? I cannot see him in Scotland.. Jane Morland is laid to rest in Stranraer... There was another sibling who was Alex Cairns Wright who married a Kenturah Tindall.. I am aware that Alex born 1872 in Stranraer ended up in Canada .. so maybe Margaret Morland Wright also ended up there.. as 3 out the 4 of the Wright siblings are noted by the looks of things ...
I am interested in all the descendants of all the Wright family mentioned.. These folk are related to myself through Mary Wright Nee Morland D 1880 .. Distant cousins ..
I really appreciate the info being offered .. it has opened up a few great leads already RK .. Thanks again .. fantastic info indeed
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You are very welcome :) :)
This looks like Alex and Keturah, with 3 sons, in London Ontario in 1911. Alex is a baker in a bake shop.
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=152159
RK
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Alexander and Keturah in London, Ontario 1921... with 6 children.
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e002943327
RK
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This looks like Alex and Keturah, with 3 sons, in London Ontario in 1911. Alex is a baker in a bake shop.
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=152159
RK
Yes that is the family, Well done RK
There are a few more kids that come along..
John 1911
Frederick 1913
Harold 1915
Alexander 1917
Ruth 1919 - Married Henry Siegrist
I think they lost a kid Ethel born 1903 - died 1906
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OK - I see you have quite a bit of information on Alex and Keturah already.
So, we are looking for Jane Wright, John Morland Wright and Margaret Morland Wright (siblings of Mary Wright Brown)?? You want to know if they came to Canada, and if so...what happened to them. Also, their father John Wright Sr...born in Ireland about 1835, but lived in Scotland.
RK
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OK - I see you have quite a bit of information on Alex and Keturah already.
So, we are looking for Jane Wright, John Morland Wright and Margaret Morland Wright (siblings of Mary Wright Brown)?? You want to know if they came to Canada, and if so...what happened to them. Also, their father John Wright Sr...born in Ireland about 1835, but lived in Scotland.
RK
Hiya RK.. Yes .. I dont have anymore that what I replied with on Alex and Keturahs children..
I had been looking at a death registeration of a John Wright died as accident in the railways .. I wondered if this was John Morland Wright .. death 9th Nov 1890 ???
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General info.... Alex Cairns Wright I believe was named after his mother Jane Morlands sisters husband.. Alex Cairns.. Janes sister was a Margaret Morland ,,
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I had been looking at a death registeration of a John Wright died as accident in the railways .. I wondered if this was John Morland Wright .. death 9th Nov 1890 ???
Had a look in the papers to see what I could find about that John Wright. He was 25, a brakeman for the Grand Trunk Railway. He was also single. He boarded at 355 Queen Street West. Funeral from his sister's home at 45 Mercer Street. He had been working on a freight train heading for the west. He was last seen on the top of the train. His body was found just outside of Georgetown. They think he fell from the train (it was a windy day).
RK
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Looks like that could be your man...
1891 Toronto Directory has Robert Brown and Charles Cowie listed under 45 Mercer street.
http://static.torontopubliclibrary.ca/da/pdfs/tcd1891.pdf
Image 282 (page 278) for the Street directory listing for 45 Mercer...
Image 586 (page 597), Robert Brown, eng Hees, Anderson and Co, h (home) 45 Mercer Street.
Looks like Charles Cowie may have died in 1893
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DHHQ-NF1?i=469&cc=1307826
Charles Cowie was born in 1866, Scotland.
I have attached the sections from the directory. If you go to the link I posted, the whole directory downloads...very slow!!
RK
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Hoping that Mr Charles Cowie married one of the Wright sisters, I looked for him on the 1891 census. His wife is Mary from Ireland!! So, not one of your missing girls.
Here are Robert, Mary and Florence in the 1891 census
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1891&op=img&id=30953_148181-00152
Perhaps they knew Mr Cowie from Scotland??
RK
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Hi RK
Yes First class again.. I could never have proved that link for John Wright .. So great detective work indeed .. Thank u for your help on this subject.. You have helped push me on a fair bit .. :)
If u are ever heading to NZ let me know.. I owe you a few beers :)
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Hi RK
Yes First class again.. I could never have proved that link for John Wright .. So great detective work indeed .. Thank u for your help on this subject.. You have helped push me on a fair bit .. :)
If u are ever heading to NZ let me know.. I owe you a few beers :)
Glad I could help :) :) :)
RK