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The above was the son of Edward Moss and Helen nee Honnor. In trying to trace him and his descendants if any, I've come across 2 trees that say he was Ronald Grant Moss Mason but don't say how he got all these 'new' names? I think the other tree owners are mixing him up with another different family-what do you think?
Cr
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Hello...
Do you know when your Ronald died.
There is the following BDM record:
BDM NZ
1970/39563 - MOSS-MASON, Ronald Grant - 75 years
According to the Burial Locator CD he is buried at Mangere Cemetery (Fiche B04.22)
The following is most likely his probate file...
MOSS-MASON Ronald - Auckland - Salesman - 1970
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=13101510 (https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=13101510)
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Do you know if your Ronald was married.
As there is a Margaret Elizabeth MOSS-MASON also buried at Mangere it's possible that she is the following from the NZSG Marriages CD...
1918/3768 - Ronald MOSS-MASON to Margaret Elizabeth MCDONALD
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Do you know if your Ronald had a son called Ronald John as there is a Ronald John MOSS-MASON also buried at Mangere. By his date of birth I'm assuming he is the first-born of the above couple.
BDM NZ Deaths
1973/45120 - MOSS-MASON, Ronald John - d.o.b 14 April 1919
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The above was the son of Edward Moss
PapersPast mentions an Edward MOSS-MASON who died in 1913
http://tinyurl.com/y9gfdojf (http://tinyurl.com/y9gfdojf)
Possible cemetery record (might work - might not)
http://property.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/cemetery/surname.asp?pt_serial=4134 (http://property.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/cemetery/surname.asp?pt_serial=4134)
Regards
Beg
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Ok, so can confirm a NZ BDM records for:
1893/17582 Moss Ronald Helen Edward
There are no births from 1890 - 1900 for a Ronald Mason nor any Moss-Mason.
Going backward....
These are the children for Edward and Helen
1881/7542 Moss Christina Edith
1883/3178 Moss Emily
1885/2390 Moss Henry Thomas
1887/17401 Moss George Edward
1891/14540 Moss Edith
1893/17582 Moss Ronald
1897/6114 Moss Adelaide
Therefore prior Edward and Helen's marriage
1880/2551 Helen Honnor Edward Moss
And possible deaths
1946/33776 Moss Helen 86
1913/3191 Moss Edward 63Y OR
1900/6594 Moss Edward 59Y
Showing neither parent, should these be they, had hyphenated names.
Back to Ronald.
NZ Electoral rolls do show one entry for a "Ronald Moss", and the "Ronald Grant Moss-Mason" fellow
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kq9/
Someone with a subscription might be able to confirm if this "Ronald Moss" is the same as the "Ronald A Moss" that also seemed to live in the Mt Roskill area, and therefore not your man.
Might an Intention to Marry show something?
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The death entry on the NZ BDM for
Moss Edward is dated 6/6/1913
which concurs with the article Beg found for Moss-Mason.
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Strangely there is also this probate entry in the NZ Archives
MOSS-MASON Clyde Edward aka MOSS Clyde Edward - Auckland - Newspaper Employee 1981
and the entry in BDM
1981/43246 Moss Clyde 28 February 1921
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The 1970 burial record (Mangere Cemetery) for Ronald Grant MOSS-MASON (aged 75 years) confirms his birthplace as Blenheim.
~ Lu
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... included in the same Mangere Cemetery burial listing >
Margaret Elizabeth MOSS-MASON - d. October 1972
Ronald John Moss-MASON - 54 yrs - d. November 1973
Both recorded as having been born in Auckland.
~ Lu
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These are the deaths for Moss-Masons in the NZ BDM
2016/31952 Moss-Mason Beverley Broxton 28 January 1935
2009/3486 Ward Cynthia Beatrice 28 March 1929
2001/15492 Moss-Mason Elsie Mavis 9 October 1914
1972/47180 Moss-Mason Margaret Elizabeth 28 September 1898
1990/39586 Moss-Mason Raymond Neville 27 November 1931
1970/39563 Moss-Mason Ronald Grant 75Y
1973/45120 Moss-Mason Ronald John 14 April 1919
1988/37952 Moss-Mason Trevor Donald 28 August 1922
None of Edward and Helen's (other) children have 'used' this name at their death.
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I would be looking into that probate, because one would assume that there would need to be proof of a name change in the file, if that were the case, in order for it to be executed.
It does continue to seem odd that Ronald's dad, Edward was on the official government website as MOSS but the In Memoriam was for MOSS-MASON three years later.
Anecdotally the surnames might match up, but where is the legal/physical evidence?
FTR there don't appear to be any records on Cenotaph (Auckland Museum War memorial) for any of Helen and Edward's sons.
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Would a search of the WISES microfiche show a Ronald MOSS moving from Blenheim to Auckland prior to the first electoral roll entry for Ronald Grant MOSS-MASON in 1935?
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FTR Burial of Helen in Auckland area
Name MOSS, HELEN
Details F: Died 21-07-1946: Aged 86:
Place Waikaraka
Location Area 5 Block C Lot No 632
Remarks transcribed inscription reads "In loving memory of our dear mother Helen Moss died 21 July 1946 aged 86 yrs." (verse)
Can someone trace the movements of Edward and Helen from Blenheim to Auckland via A$ electoral rolls or WISES microfiche?
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Not sure if this is any help ???
ER for 1949 Onehunga show:
Moss-Mason Alvin Lloyd 12 Horotutu Rd., salesman
Moss-Mason Margaret Elizabeth 12 Horotutu Rd., married
Moss-Mason Ronald Grant 12 Horotutu Rd., salesman
Moss-Mason Ronald John 12 Horotutu Rd., photographer
Moss-Mason Trevor Donald 12 Horotutu Rd., assistant
so we can be pretty sure they're all related, somehow.
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Ronald A Moss only appears on ER's for 1969, 1972, 1978 and 1981 as a Toolmaker living at 3 Linden St., with Gwendoline M Moss.
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Can someone trace the movements of Edward and Helen from Blenheim to Auckland via A$ electoral rolls or WISES microfiche?
First appearance of Helen on ER is in 1928 as a widow at Birkenhead.
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Thanks johnbarr.
Is Helen living with any other relative in 1928?
Are there ways to see where she was between her husband passing in 1913 (Waihi?) and her death in 1946? One might expect her to be living with a daughter or son.
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I am beginning to wonder if reaching out to one of the few MOSS-MASON relatives in Auckland might be helpful here to see whether they know the answer to the mystery???
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Cr, I agree with you that it appears to be two separate families.
The way forward is to find information on the first family listed, ie Christina Emily, Edith etc.
Jamjar
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Here are some possible lines of investigation....
Christina Edith died as an infant
1882/4742 Moss Christina Edith 17M
Emily married?
1912/2254 Emily Moss Fergus John Morris
Deaths
1958/29516 Morris Emily 74Y
1966/37246 Morris Emily 84Y
There doesn't appear to be a death entry for George Edward, Ronald nor Henry Thomas.
The possible marriages for Adelaide and Edith don't seem to bear out with ages.
Perhaps someone else might be able to see more clearly. My eyes are a bit tired!
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Thanks johnbarr.
Is Helen living with any other relative in 1928?
Two entries for 1928, so presumably she moved that year:
Auckland Suburbs, at Hauraki Rd., Birkenhead, widow
Roskill, at 59 Shackleton Rd., widow
then
1935, Manukau, 1 Bishop St., widow
1938, Manukau, 1 Bishop St., widow
No sign of another Moss, or Moss-Mason at the same address in any of those years.
Do we have any record of the original Ronald Moss apart from his birth??
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johnbarr, I don't believe we have anything other than a birth.
It feels like the family 'disappeared' or perhaps the children went back to whence they came, or started afresh somewhere else with only the parents remaining in New Zealand???
Perhaps the OP can fill us in a bit more? Give us a fresh angle?
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Hello all,
I've been reading your posts about the above with great interest. Some details of Edward and Helen's children: Adelaide married Austin Downey Williams at Auckland in 1923 and Edith married Joseph England Noonan at Devonport, Auckland in 1916, these I found from a tree on Ancestry. I contacted the owner who said that she thought that Moss-Mason was an adopted son of Edward and Helen?
The Noonans' had 3 children, one of whom Gabrielle Violet married Christopher John Martin Morgan West between 1950-1954, one of their children, Marilyn is a cousin of the tree owner but as yet is not contactable-all I can glean is that she works in real estate and she lives on the north side of Auckland on the north island. There is another daughter Sheridan Elizabeth who lived with her parents 1978-1981 at Manurewa and a son Christopher who I can't trace at all.
Helen Honnor was the daughter of Henry Honnor and Jane Watkins Healey, the latter being the daughter of James Healey b1806, the subject of an earlier post on here as he emigrated to NZ from England.
Looking at the NZ electoral rolls, I saw Helen Moss in Epsom, Onehunga and in the same area the Mason-Moss couple, also a John Mason at a separate address in that area.
If the owner of the Ancestry tree is correct regarding Edirh and Adelaide's marriages she may be correct regarding Moss-Mason's adoption.
Are there any adoption records available there for that period?
Cr
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Adelaide married Austin Downey Williams at Auckland in 1923 and Edith married Joseph England Noonan at Devonport, Auckland in 1916
You can find the marriages on NZBDM
The question is, as pointed out by TT, where are the sons and the other two daughters? I can't see deaths for them. Maybe some NZ board experts here will locate them.
So, which family are you connected to, the Moss or the Moss-Mason?
You need to remove names from your last post of anyone who may still be living.
Jamjar
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Jamjar, I'm related to James Healey who was my 2 x gt uncle, his daughter Jane married Henry Honnor and their daughter married Edward Moss. So I'm trying to find out if the Ronald, their son was actually Moss or Moss-Mason, no point adding Moss Mason if he's not directly related to me is there?
Regarding Helen's other children, Emily married Fergus John Morris in 1912, Henry and George passed away in Nov 1918 and Ronald is a mystery. These 'facts' are according to the Ancestry tree owner.
Cr
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Cockneyrebel, it would be good to know what evidence there was available for the marriage of Adelaide and Emily, or if another RCer can double-check the ages at death of the possible married women with the proposed married surnames in NZ BDM.
If two of the boys perished in 1918, then was this at war? Or influenze epidemic? Where did that occur?
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Regarding adoption records... there are no officially searchable records. However the births microfiche often points to a change of name, and this could provide a clue in this situation.
as far as I know in NZ only the adult adoptee may view their own records.
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Cockneyrebel, it would be good to know what evidence there was available for the marriage of Adelaide and Emily, or if another RCer can double-check the ages at death of the possible married women with the proposed married surnames in NZ BDM.
Mmm ... not sure why a "double check" is required (or about the earlier reference to "ages not matching death records" ) ;D ???
Waikaraka Cemetery - Auckland
http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/cemeteries/cemetery.html
(Link to records is slow ... )
Emily MORRIS - d. 1958 - 74 years (born c. 1884 ... which is close enough to date of her birth registration, 1883.)
In adjacent plots are her husband, Fergus John MORRIS and a child of 4 years d. 1920, Theo Fergus MORRIS.
Adelaide WILLIAMS - died 14 June 1976 - age 79 - ( NZ BDM online has her d.o.b. as 4 June 1897.)
Same plot - her husband, Austin Downey WILLIAMS.
~ Lu
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... veering way off track here, but the following death notice for the son of Emily, (Theo Fergus), confirms that Emily was known as "Lillie". An online tree has a photo of this lady, labelled "Emily (Lily) MORRIS."
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19200809.2.88
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Henry and George passed away in Nov 1918
Cr
Do we have any source or confirmation of these deaths?
Not found on NZBDM.
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Hi CR
You might want to explore a tree (@ ancestry) named "MASON tree" which gives information for "George Edward MASON" who died at Auckland on 14 November 1918. His wife was Lily (nee HAWKINS).
I found the death earlier ...searching on MASON /MOSS-MASON ... and happily (or not), there is "tree". ;D
I can't vouch for it's accuracy ... it does give Edward MOSS and Helene HONNOR as parents of George ... probably worth making contact with tree owner to see what additional info is available.
~ Lu
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... Hi John ... our posts crossed. ;D
See info for George Edward MASON -- his birthyear at death, is an exact match for the son born to Edward and Helen MOSS.
~ Lu
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Death notice for George Edward MASON :
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19181116.2.53
~ Lu
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Hello Cr,
In reply #7 the first Moss-Mason death is that of Beverley.
I have this death notice which may or may not be helpful. She was the wife of the late Ray, (this being Raymond Neville?)
Would you like me to PM the notice?
Added:I also have the death notice for the second name in that reply, that of Cynthia Beatrice Ward (On NZ BDM the death comes up under Moss-Mason). If you wish, I can send that one by PM also.
Minniehaha.
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Seems to me that there is a cross contamination on the Ancestry family trees. I'm still at a loss to know where the surname Mason comes in for any of them when they were recorded as Moss at birth?
It looks like my information for the deaths of George E and Henry T are wrong as these were from the Mason family. There is an Ancestry tree that gives death notices for them but as Mason and the owner has copied it from another tree.
The more we look into this, the more confusing it becomes!
Minnie currently I don't want any Moss-Mason notices unless we can prove it's the same family.
Cr
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Another contact whom I asked about the Mason name said today:
Father EDWARD Moss was an Actor and supposedly left Melbourne because he did not ‘get on’ with his Father Henry Thomas. Mind you, he died a Coach Painter and that is a trade he would have learned from his father – he also died a MOSS.
He supposedly performed under the name of Ted Mason (I haven’t found the evidence). Ronald Grant then assumed the name MOSS MASON; his brother Henry Thomas (Harry) was MASON; his brother George Edward was MASON. In the next generation, one of the brothers dropped the Mason and became a Moss again.
This also seems odd to me as I understood that Edward Moss was born in 1853 at Sacramento, California, and presumably travelled to NZ for the gold rush in North Island, however his eldest daughter was born in Wairau, Marlborough in 1881 so he must have moved after his marriage to Helen Honnor in 1880-don't know where they married? As I've little or no knowledge of NZ geography I'm at a loss here. The rest of the children were born in Blenheim.
Cr
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What was Edward's (father) mother's name?
Jamjar
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It's a stretch but:
In Melbourne
Death of a Henry Thomas Moss:
1889 4043 MOSS Hy Thos age 68 NORTHCOTE
Death notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article196996497
Marriage of possible daughter:
1865 2417 MOSS Emily to FLETHCHER Jacob
Marriage notice, 5th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5783410
Death of Emily:
1919 15142 FLETCHER Emily parents Moss Hy Thos and Christian (Thompson) aged 74 SURREY HILLS
Death of Christian:
1865 10074 MOSS Christina parents Thompson Archi and Ann, aged 48 place of birth Scotland
Death notice, 6th column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5763967
Jamjar
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Jamjar,
You've got what was on the Ancestry records in the US tree but they've no sources to back the events up.
Cr
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You need the NZ death cert for Edward. It could possibly have his parents names.
I'm not having any luck finding him as an actor in Oz.
The names of his children do link to the Melbourne family.
Jamjar
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Another possible daughter death:
1858 303 MOSS Mahala parents Henry and Christina (Thomson) aged 3 COLLINGWOOD (this could be 3 years or 3mths
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Looks like you're finding sources for Henry's children but we're no nearer finding out about the Mason link if there is one?
Cr
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Does the online tree have a daughter Martha of Henry Thomas of Melbourne death in NZ?
1869/10570 Cox Martha 23Y
Death notice, 6th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5825546
Jamjar
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I think it's two separate families.
Jamjar
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Yes Jamjar,
They have Martha but b 3 Mar 1847 • Reg. Longford, V.D.L. Australia No.831.
Can you find Edward's birth there in 1851?
According to that tree, Henry's children were Emily 12 Sept 1844, Martha, William Henry b 2 Jan 1848, Henry Archibald 25 Mar 1850 d 8 Oct 1850, Edward 1851 Sacramento, California Henry Thomas 1856–1859) Mahala Marrion 1857–1858.
Like you I think it's 2 different families.
Cr
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Not having any luck with birth registrations.
Do have a funeral notice for Christina by son William Henry Moss.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5765832
Jamjar
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Seems to me that there is a cross contamination on the Ancestry family trees. I'm still at a loss to know where the surname Mason comes in for any of them when they were recorded as Moss at birth?
Cr
Cr ... have you seen this death notice ??
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/MEX18821118.2.7
MASON - Nov. 16, 1882 ... at Blenheim ... Christina Edith ... only d/o Edward and Helen MASON :
~ Lu
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Cr ... AND this birth notice .... ???
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/MEX18821120.2.8
MASON ... November 18, [ 1882 ] ... at Blenheim ... Mrs Edward MASON ... of a daughter :
^ This is the birth of (daughter) Emily MOSS ... registered 1st quarter, 1883.
~ Lu
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Cr ... is this your Mr MOSS masquerading as "Edward MASON"? Just asking ??? ;D
~ Lu
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I dunno ;D .... your bloke is it ??
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/MEX18910813.2.38.2
Dissolution of Partnership - E. MASON and Co. - Livery Stablekeepers (at Blenheim).
~ Lu
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Edward MASON ... again.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/MEX18770728.2.14.4
... this is just a letter to Editor of local newspaper ... MASON refers to driving "his horses and carriage ...."
You stated earlier that Edward MOSS was a "coach painter".
* Horses and carriages ... livery stable keeper ... resident at Blenheim ... coach painter in later years ... Are these things all related ??? And is this Edward MASON your Edward MOSS ???
~ Lu
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NZ Electoral
1880-81 - Marlborough - Wairau Electoral roll
MASON - Edward - Coach Painter - Blenheim -- Residential qualification
~ Lu
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Cr ... had you previously checked NZ Electoral rolls ??
1896 - Marlborough - Wairau Electoral roll
MASON - Helen - Blenheim - domestic duties - residential
MASON - Edward - coach proprietor - Blenheim - Residential qualification
~ Lu
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1900 - Marlborough - Wairau electorate
MASON - Helen - Blenheim - domestic duties
Cr ... did Helen part company with Edward do you know ??
She is alone on the above roll in 1900.
Incidentally, when searching the electoral rolls, I also checked for these people as surname MOSS.
[They only appear though as MASON. ]
~ Lu
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Cr ... is this your Mr MOSS masquerading as "Edward MASON"? Just asking ??? ;D
~ Lu
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/MEX18770321.2.16
.... oops ... my above question appeared in an earlier post ... unfortunately I omitted to post the link. :-[ So here it is. ;D
~ Lu
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It looks like my information for the deaths of George E and Henry T are wrong as these were from the Mason family. There is an Ancestry tree that gives death notices for them but as Mason and the owner has copied it from another tree.
Cr ... can you give some details from the death notices for George E. and Henry T. [ MASON ]
from the source you speak of, above, please ?
[I earlier posted the link to the 1918 death notice of George Edward MASON (husband of Lily nee HAWKINS) ... which is probably the George E. you already have. ? ]
~ Lu
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Hello Cr,
Part quote from your reply #33........
"This also seems odd to me as I understood that Edward Moss was born in 1853 at Sacramento, California",
This mystery could possibly be solved by obtaining a marriage printout* (See below for data collected at registration). This should provide more accurate information about Edward than a death registration printout, the marriage details having been supplied by the bride & groom.
1880/2551 Helen Honnor Edward Moss
The actual date of marriage was 2.9.1880.
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/dataCollected/marriage
[*May contain more information, cheaper than a certificate and can be e-mailed.]
Minniehaha.
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CR ... I think others looked earlier and so did I, for a Henry Thomas MOSS or MASON death c. 1918.
NZ BDM (online) has this > ... although the age is a long way out for H.T. son of Helen and Edward who was registered in 1885 ???
NZ Death
1918 / 7584 - MASON - Henry Thomson* - 25 years [bc 1893 ]
* Wasn't THOMSON or THOMPSON the maiden surname given for the possible mother of Edward MOSS / MASON ??? [Christian / Christiana / Christina ThOMSON / THOMPSON ] ??
~ Lu
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.... This mystery could possibly be solved by obtaining a marriage printout* (See below for data collected at registration). This should provide more accurate information about Edward than a death registration printout, the marriage details having been supplied by the bride & groom.
1880/2551 Helen Honnor Edward Moss
The actual date of marriage was 2.9.1880.
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/dataCollected/marriage
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Minniehaha.
;) BUYER BEWARE ;)
Before rushing off to purchase this marriage printout, it would be a jolly good idea to check with NZ BDM as to whether the marriage record for HONNOR - MOSS, of 2.9.1880, actually contains the parental information.
NZ BDM have conflicting (and perhaps, misleading) information on their website.
Whilst their "Collected data for marriages" shows >
"FROM 1880 - MARRIAGE ACT 1880 (dated 17 January 1880)
their published "Timeline" shows >
OCT 1880 (as in October 1880) - marriage registrations include parental details and the residence of each party to the marriage.
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/timeline
As far as I am aware, (and I know from personal experience in having purchased a mid-year 1880 marriage record), only (NZ) marriages from the 4th quarter, that is, OCT-DEC of the year 1880, contain the additional details (parental, residential, etc.)
The HONNOR - MOSS marriage took place in early September, according to above post.
~ Lu
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CR ... I think others looked earlier and so did I, for a Henry Thomas MOSS or MASON death c. 1918.
NZ Death
1918 / 7584 - MASON - Henry Thomson* - 25 years [bc 1893 ]
~ Lu
Further to my earlier post, the above > MASON - Henry Thomson - d. 1918 > is buried at Waikumete Cemetery, Auckland
There is a burial record which firstly gives his name as > Henry Thomas MASON ... and notes his age as 45 years (20 years older than the NZ BDM listing.)
Address : 85 Hepburn Street - occupation - labourer :
A note says " Plot amended to F 11a 34. (BDM) Henry Thomson MASON (1918). Plot 101" :
Another record shows >
BULLEN - Samuel - 8.11.1918 - Plot 34 ANG
HIRA - Wharekerekere - 23 years - Plot 34
MASON - Henry Thomas - 45 years - 10.11.1918 - Plot 34
So this man is buried with two others. Wonder if the earlier reference to "Plot amended to F 11a 34" refers to "a free plot" ???
Couldn't see a death notice for the MASON man.
~ Lu
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NZ Army - WW1 Nominal Rolls -- 1916-1917 :
MASON - Ronald Moss - Burner Inspector - c/- J. McDONALD, Mountain Road, Mt. Albert*.
[* Mt. Albert is a suburb of Auckland. ]
~ Lu
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According to the 1880-1881 rolls Edward was in Winchester and a labourer, had quarter acre and a cottage, no mention of Helen but presumably women weren't mentioned in that era? However there is another or the same Edward in 1900 at Hawkes Bay a labourer but no Helen and appears to be different family.
Attached, hopefully the death notices for the 2 brothers in 1918.
I'm inclined to order the marriage cert or copy even though it's more expensive than in the UK but perhaps my other contact may have it already.
This is becoming a very long saga!
Cr
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According to the tree owner the brothers had pneumonia-influenza, I wonder if this was the Spanish flue and strange that they passed away on the same day?
Cr
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According to the tree owner the brothers had pneumonia-influenza, I wonder if this was the Spanish flue and strange that they passed away on the same day?
Cr
Actually, the death of Henry Thomas [sic Thomson] MASON (already listed by Lu) was registered on 10 Nov 1918 and that of George Edward MASON was on 14 Nov 1918.
The Death Notice shown by CR was probably taken from 'In Memoriam' Auckland Star, 14 Nov 1919 and shows three entries including one from sister and brother Edith and Joseph Noonan ??? ::)
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TwiggyTree listed this birth in Reply#3 1891/14540 Moss Edith child of Edward and Helen.
BDM show this marriage 1916/826 Edith Moss Joseph England Noonan
So I think we can now say for certain there is a connection between Moss and Mason listings
;D
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So I think we can now say for certain there is a connection between Moss and Mason listings
;D
... now we just need to convince, Cockneyrebel. ;D
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They have Martha but b 3 Mar 1847 • Reg. Longford, V.D.L. Australia No.831.
There is a Henry Moss marrying a Mary Thompson in Longford, Tasmania (VDL) in 1843, 5th column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article66020156
Departure for San Francisco 1851 from Tassie, Henry, Christian and Lawson MOSS, 4th column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article36259807
If this is them going to US, where are the children?
Jamjar
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The marriage:
Name:Moss, Henry Age:23
Spouse: Thompson, Christina Age:26
Date of marriage:16 Oct 1843
Registered: Launceston
Registration year:1843
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:830061
Resource RGD37/1/3 no 618
Births:
Name: Moss, Emily
Father: Moss, Henry
Mother:Thomson, Christian
Date of birth:12 Sep 1844
Registered:Launceston
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1106285
Resource RGD33/1/23/ no 498
Name: Moss, Martha
Father: Moss, Henry
Mother:Thomson, Christiana
Date of birth: 3 March 1847
Registered: Longford
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:991381
Resource RGD33/1/27/ no 831
Name: Moss, William Henry
Father: Moss, Henry
Mother: Thomson, Christiana
Date of birth: 2 January 1848
Registered: Longford
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:991453
Resource RGD33/1/27/ no 903
Name: Moss, Henry Archibald
Father: Moss, Henry
Mother: Thompson, Christian
Date of birth: 25 Mar 1850
Registered: Launceston
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1108484
Resource RGD33/1/23/ no 2693
Death:
Name: Moss, Henry Archibald
Record Type: Deaths
Mother: Moss, Christian
Date of death: 8 Oct 1850
Registered: Launceston
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1145995
Resource RGD35/1/16 no 279
Jamjar
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So after this long saga, you all believe that Moss-Masons' are of the same family as my original Edward and Helen Moss. I must say I was coming round to the idea but initially it seemed strange.
My contact found some sort of shipping list for his parents passage to the USA which presumes that Edward was born there. I guess they were there for the gold rush? The list says:
Mr H Moss wife and children arrived 18.6.1853 from San Francisco, they went out at different years Henry 20.9.1849 and Christine 11.3.1851, maybe she was expecting?
Thank you all very much for your excellent research.
Cr
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Mr H Moss wife and children arrived 18.6.1853 from San Francisco, they went out at different years Henry 20.9.1849 and Christine 11.3.1851, maybe she was expecting?
They went to US together in 1851 see Trove link I provided. Note surname of agent in the shipping info.
Arrived where in 1853?
Jamjar
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They arrive back in Victoria at Launceston which I think is in Australia?
Cr
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Launceston is Tasmania, the little Island below the mainland.
Melbourne, Victoria is mainland Australia. Melbourne is where they died.
Jamjar
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Well your geography is better than mine-is Tasmania a separate state or part of Victoria?
Cr
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I live in OZ.
Tassie is a State of Australia, but is an island situated at the bottom of Australia. Victoria is also a State. I'm in New South Wales another State.
You may like to look at an online map.
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They arrive back in Victoria at Launceston which I think is in Australia?
Cr
Hi.
I would suggest that the important thing to note here is that the more commom arrival [departure] point for this area of Australia was Melbourne, the capital city of Victoria, then trans-shipping down to Launceston [Tasmania] on the direct inter-island services.
- Alan.
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Well I did geography at school but it was about 50 years ago but I've learnt more about Oz since doing family history! I see Jamjar that NSW originally had NZ in it's state as well as half of Oz.
Cr
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Hello...
Do you know when your Ronald died.
There is the following BDM record:
BDM NZ
1970/39563 - MOSS-MASON, Ronald Grant - 75 years
According to the Burial Locator CD he is buried at Mangere Cemetery (Fiche B04.22)
The following is most likely his probate file...
MOSS-MASON Ronald - Auckland - Salesman - 1970
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=13101510 (https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=13101510)
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Do you know if your Ronald was married.
As there is a Margaret Elizabeth MOSS-MASON also buried at Mangere it's possible that she is the following from the NZSG Marriages CD...
1918/3768 - Ronald MOSS-MASON to Margaret Elizabeth MCDONALD
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Do you know if your Ronald had a son called Ronald John as there is a Ronald John MOSS-MASON also buried at Mangere. By his date of birth I'm assuming he is the first-born of the above couple.
BDM NZ Deaths
1973/45120 - MOSS-MASON, Ronald John - d.o.b 14 April 1919
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The above was the son of Edward Moss
PapersPast mentions an Edward MOSS-MASON who died in 1913
http://tinyurl.com/y9gfdojf (http://tinyurl.com/y9gfdojf)
Possible cemetery record (might work - might not)
http://property.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/cemetery/surname.asp?pt_serial=4134 (http://property.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/cemetery/surname.asp?pt_serial=4134)
Regards
Beg
Edward Moss Mason is my great great grandfather. I would love to get in touch with anyone interested in chatting about the Mosses or the reason behind the addition of the name "Mason".
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Ronald Moss Mason is the son of Edward Moss Mason who was my g g grand father. The story in the family was that Edward wanted to go on the stage and was disowned by his family so took the stage name of Mason. There is a brief history written by one of his daughters called the Moss Mess which I have a copy of. I believe he is burried in an unmarked grave in Waihi which I also have the number of
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Hello Janice and lanke,
There is quite a lot on here about the Moss-Mason family, also trees on Ancestry owned by people living in the Antipodes. One of whom told me that Ronald Grant assumed the name MOSS MASON; his brother Henry Thomas (Harry) was MASON; his brother George Edward was MASON. In the next generation, one of the brothers dropped the Mason and became a Moss again. All this caused me much confusion and the guys and girls on here helped me through it all. It was as Janice said Ronald Grant was an actor and assumed the name for his new profession.
Cr
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Hi
I have the family tree for Edward Moss.
I might be able to explain the Mason name as told to me by my mother Shirley Sylvia Moss-Mason.
Contact me for details.
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Welcome to Rootschat Bailez.
As this appears to be your first post, you need to post twice more before you can gain access the private messaging service, should members see fit to send you a private message, re the living.
:D If you have no other topic to post on any of the boards, just post twice on this board including a smile or two as sujbect matter.
Alan.
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:) :) :)
Hi
I have the family tree for Edward Moss.
I might be able to explain the Mason name as told to me by my mother Shirley Sylvia Moss-Mason.
Contact me for details.
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:) :) :) :) :) :)
:) :) :)Hi
I have the family tree for Edward Moss.
I might be able to explain the Mason name as told to me by my mother Shirley Sylvia Moss-Mason.
Contact me for details.