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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: Maggiemck on Monday 18 September 17 15:55 BST (UK)
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Hi, I hit a brick wall with my Irish family so gave up looking for some time. I was trying to find a birth for a Unity/Winnifred/Eunice Lynch. She was married to Joseph Carlin/Carland. Can find their marriage but not her birth. Father's name on marriage cert given as Daniel. Can find neither a birth nor death entry for her. Any help appreciated.
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Any particular Millenium?
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timeframe
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kqt/
marriage 1855
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG6L-ZSK
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hi, yes a time scale would help wouldn't it lol x Married sometime around 1885 and I know of her children but can't find a birth record for her. thanks
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... Can find neither a birth nor death entry for her. Any help appreciated ...
Age understated, but the informant was a grandson:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05813/4645541.pdf
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Wow thanks for that. Speedy find. Never knew of this site. That is fantastic. The family were still there in 1901 so she is my Unity. Thanks so much. Is there a way of getting a copy of that death cert? I wonder what info would be on there. Would it have a mother's name as well as a father's name? Or is that all the information you would have as seen on the link there?
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On Joseph's baptism born 1865. notes on the bottom by rev.j.ohagan says that Unity Lynch came from Millford (his spelling) Milford that I know is north of Letterkenny co. Donegal.
regards Mary.
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Wow thanks for that. Speedy find. Never knew of this site. That is fantastic. The family were still there in 1901 so she is my Unity. Thanks so much. Is there a way of getting a copy of that death cert? I wonder what info would be on there. Would it have a mother's name as well as a father's name? Or is that all the information you would have as seen on the link there?
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http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0351 Burt
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oh thanks for all the help on this....trying to find Unity's mother now. Thank you for the links! Will have a trawl through.
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hi, yes a time scale would help wouldn't it lol x Married sometime around 1885 and I know of her children but can't find a birth record for her. thanks
"...Married sometime around 1885...."
"....Unity/Winnifred/Eunice Lynch. She was married to Joseph Carlin/Carland. Can find their marriage but not her birth....."
So do you know when/where she married??
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hi yes, managed to find that with help on here some time ago....
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Aunity~%20%2Bsurname%3Alynch~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1854-1855~%20%2Bmarriage_place%3Alondonderry~
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dathai posted it already
marriage 1855
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG6L-ZSK
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;DSorry, the 30 year difference threw me!
Was looking civil reg Marriages for 1885.....
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Sorry hallmark! Slip of the finger by me! x
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Sorry hallmark! Slip of the finger by me! x
No problem!
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So then I find the death of Unity's husband Joseph in 1902. Can't quite make out the address -
wonder if anyone can read that? thanks
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1902/05679/4600120.pdf
Also can anyone clarify for me...with regard to the info on these entries....would the official death certificate add anything further? Quite sure in Scotland we get mother and father's name on there. Is that not the case in Ireland. Sorry for the stupid questions not used to Irish records.
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looks like Alexander Place.
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What you see is the full cert, Irish Certs don't have as much information as Scottish ones.
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Thanks Mary yes it does look like Alexander Place x
Sinnan, disappointed but thought it was too good to be true that I'd find a mother's name as well.
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ALEXANDRA place ?
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The informant on Joseph's death was Daniel Carlin,Elmwood Terrace
Daniel Carlin of Greenock,Scotland married Mary Cassidy of Elmwood Terrace 13th July 1901
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1901/10318/5755912.pdf
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Yes dathai that's the very ones. Unity and Joseph's children all ended up in Greenock and then some moved onto Australia/Canada.
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alexander place is where my gr.grandparents lived on the 1901 census.
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So I wonder what to make of the information I've found on Unity and Joseph Carlin/Carland. The ages at death stated are wonky if they married in 1855. It is definitely the right couple. But her age at death in 1898 is given as 52 and his age at death in 1902 is given as 60. So obviously there is something wrong there which doesn't help me at all to pinpoint the births of either.
Daniel Lynch, Unity's father, died in 1893 and age was given as 84 which seems quite right. I guess it is quite common for ages to be wrong but this seems quite out. ::)
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IF the Marriage date is correct and you estimate they were 20 when they married, then you have rough birth tears.
LDS gives year of Marriage BUT is it correct?? The ages at death stated are wonky IF they married in 1855.
Have you found the Marriage or are you just presuming LDS are correct?
Yes many people didn't know, or tell anyone their correct ages IF they knew.
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/75a0e114637226?b=https%3A%2F%2Fcivilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fcivil-perform-search.jsp%3Fnamefm%3Djoseph%26namel%3Dcarland%26location%3DLondonderry%26yyfrom%3D1850%26yyto%3D1960%26type%3DM%26submit%3DSearch
yes checked and found that yesterday.
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Is this a different Unity Lynch marrying in 1885??
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Sorry...it is!!
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=unity+&namel=lynch&location=Londonderry&yyfrom=1854&yyto=1856&type=M&submit=Search
children dates
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfather_givenname%3Ajoseph~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Acarland~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Aunity~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Alynch~
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Misread this
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So....Are Church Records available for your Unity?
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So that posting....is it Unity's daughter?? Confused.
Not finding anything likely at the moment on church records it has to be said. There was one in a different area which would have made her 16 at time of marriage but don't think it's her as I looked at the parents on family search and it seems to suggest not her.
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Right no....now I'm misreading! Sorry. It's all the Unity/Winnifred/Eunice thing....it's putting my head in a spin!
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https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/f259dd0286891?b=https%3A%2F%2Fchurchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fsearch.jsp%3Fnamefm%3Dwinnifred%2B%26namel%3Dlynch%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D1825%26yyto%3D1850%26submit%3DSearch
So I see this with right father's name. Area totally different but that's not so offputting but find the fatherI think in the US on family search.org so think it's not them.
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http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634320#page/77/mode/1up Area - KERRY (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - KILGARVAN
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Derry Militia were in Kerry
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kr0/
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Thanks Hallmark. So far struggling to make out the handwriting. Is it under Unity or Winnifred? It's a bit of a trial to read. :)
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And I guess you're saying the family could have been based there temporarily! Which makes sense doesn't it since they always seem to be associated with the Burt area.
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If the marriage is registered in 1855 than it wasn't RC, do you know if Unity was born RC?
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this seem's to be the marriage.
Civil Marriage Record
Date of Marriage:
02-Mar-1855
Parish / District:
LONDONDERRY REGISTRAR'S OFFICE
County:
Co. Derry
Husband
Wife
Name:
Joseph
Carland
Unity
Lynch
Address:
Grange Burt
Grange Burt
Denomination:
Registrar District
Registrar District
Occupation:
SERVANT
SERVANT
Age:
Status:
Bachelor (Previously unmarried)
Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Husband's Father
Wife's Father
Name:
George
Carland
Daniel
Lynch
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
FARMER
FARMER
Husband's Mother
Wife's Mother
Name:
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Witness 1
Witness 2
Name:
George
Downie
Catherine
Sweney
Address:
Notes:
THOMAS MCCARTER REGISTRAR
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Marriage of JOSEPH CARLAND
in 1855
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Londonderry
Returns Year 1855
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 7
Returns Page No 339
Marriage of UNITY LYNCH
in 1855
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Londonderry
Returns Year 1855
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 7
Returns Page No 339
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A photocopy of the Cert is €4.00
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do
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I did forget to say that on the 1901 census joseph carlin says he is age 65.
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And yesterday on one of the baptisms i saw the priest had written ''father a protestant''
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Thanks for all those comments there guys there were a few I'd missed hadn't got a notice of them coming through.
Dathai I had thought there might have been a religious issue between them due to the fact that they I think they married in a reg office. I wondered if one had been RC and one Prot. But if I remember rightly I think Joseph is described as RC on the census return. Though obviously he could have changed his religion.
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Well spotted Mary, think that 65 seems a bit more likely doesn't it. Makes him 19 at the time. And the age would have been given by him rather than the grandson who reported his death and seems to have been way off. Which makes the 16 year old Unity maybe quite a good candidate doesn't it.
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Thanks for all those comments there guys there were a few I'd missed hadn't got a notice of them coming through.
Dathai I had thought there might have been a religious issue between them due to the fact that they I think they married in a reg office. I wondered if one had been RC and one Prot. But if I remember rightly I think Joseph is described as RC on the census return. Though obviously he could have changed his religion.
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The Marriage was registered at a registry office....
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Well I thought so Hallmark....can't remember why I believed that it wasn't a church wedding. I found the marriage some time ago so details are foggy now.
Also I have another question please about the marriage certificate. Once again would it only list the bride and grooms father's names which I already saw online? Would there be any further info on there? Mother's names? I sense the answer is no as I think that the whole detail would be there online but just asking. Not sure what you get on Irish certs from the time. Thanks
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You also get Abode.
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an example
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=779180.msg6333353#msg6333353
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Sinnan just saw your question about whether Unity was born RC. Don't know the answer to that no. I guess I had thought she was but without knowledge just because the family were RC but I did have that question over the marriage and guessed one of them wasn't RC at birth.
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Thanks Hallmark for that example. So not much more to be gained though I guess that address is of interest. Worth getting then.