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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: moonshadow670 on Friday 22 September 17 20:18 BST (UK)
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Looking for information on Alice Maud Stephens born 1901 married in 1919 in the Maesteg area. Particularly interested in her maiden as there seems to be some confusion about her mother's name.
Thanks
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Welcome to Rootschat
Particularly interested in her maiden as there seems to be some confusion about her mother's name.
Wasn't Stephens her maiden name as that is the name she married under if she is the person who married Benjamin J Martin in 1919
Her birth was registered as Stephens
Births December qtr 1901
Alice Maud Stephens Bridgend 11a 795
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Do you mean this one?
Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
STEPHENS, ALICE MAUD LEE Order
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 795
Giggsy
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Birth info already posted above
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Carole
I know! I posted from GRO Index as I thought the query was regarding her mother's maiden name?
"Particularly interested in her maiden as there seems to be some confusion about her mother's name".
Giggsy
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Hi i possibly think the confusion is that the other two children have either mmn Lee or Best, in 1901 with a Herbert Stephens 28 RG13/5041/23/38
Keyboard86
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1911 for info
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXZ-472
Cas
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Hi giggsycat
Sorry about that. I definitely added mmn as I looked it up on GRO site but it's not there in my reply. Gremlins I think ;D
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think this is her mother's birth, which is maybe where the Lee comes from?
BEST, MARY SARAH
mmn LEY
Q3 1871 ST THOMAS Volume 05B Page 63
1881 - Llwynypia
George Best 54
Ann M. Best 50
Richard G. Best 15
Sarah M. Best 9
Mary S. Best 9 - b Topsham
George Best 24
John Ford 16
RG11, 5305, 8, 10
yes the girls are twins and they are really Sarah Mary and Mary Sarah!!
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Hi again that Mary S appears to marry an Albert Richard Sandford in 1889 Pontypridd daughter Sarah Letitia Sandford June qtr 1890 Pontypridd v11a page 489 mmn Best?
Census Ref RG12/4426/32/67
Keyboard86
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1901 Albert Richard is with a wife Sarah Letitia (b Llwynypia), daughter of James & Sarah Murray !
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Oh lord this is confusing
James Murray marries Sarah Mary Best.
Albert Richard Sandford marries Mary Sarah Best
1891
James Murray 21 - b Cardiff
Sarah Murray 20 - b topsham
Winefred Mary Murray 3 Weeks
Albert Sandford 22
Mary Sandford 20
Sarah Lltita Sandford 1
1901
James Murray 51 b Cardiff
Sarah M Murray 50 - b Topsham
Daisy Murray 8 - daughter (mmn Best)
Albt Rich Sandford 32 - son in law b Topsham
Sarah Letitia Sandford 31 - daughter b Llwynypia
William E Sandford 7 - grand son (mmn Best)
Amy Sandford 5 - grand daughter (mmn Best)
William Reed 30
Jsut wondering if this is a total mess, and James & Sarah M should be 31 and 30, Albert should be brother in law, sarah his daughter aged 11 and William & Amy also his children?
I'm guessing Mary Sarah left Albert & took up with Herbert stephens
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Thanks everyone this has certainly given me something to think about!! I am looking this up for a friend and there appears to be some scandal in the family. I did wonder if Lee was a birth name. I'll continue to see what comes up, your ideas have definitely given me food for thought
:)
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Just found out the connection with Lee, checked the marriage of George Best and Ann M on BMD and came up with a marriage in the Sept qtr of 1851; shows the name as Ann Marie LEY. This explains why Alice's mum used the name Lee. They say families research can be tricky, it certainly is with this family.
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Thanks Mabel for putting me on the right path
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Although Alice Maud Stephen's birth certificate shows her father as Herbert Richard Stephens and her mother as Mary Sarah Stephens, nee Lee; they were never married. It appears that Mary Sarah Best AKA Lee, married Albert Richard Sandford in 1889 and had a daughter in 1890. However according to family she left Albert to live with Herbert Richard. No divorce is shown in GRO index and no marriage to Herbert- hence the scandal in the family.
Mary Sarah's father was George Best.
Mystery solved!!