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Title: Alice Maud Stephens
Post by: moonshadow670 on Friday 22 September 17 20:18 BST (UK)
Looking for information on Alice Maud Stephens born 1901 married in 1919 in the Maesteg area. Particularly interested in her maiden as there seems to be some confusion about her mother's name. 
Thanks
Title: Re: Alice Maud Stephens
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 22 September 17 20:28 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat

 
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Particularly interested in her maiden as there seems to be some confusion about her mother's name. 

Wasn't Stephens her maiden name as that is the name she married under if she is the person who married Benjamin J Martin in 1919

Her birth was registered as Stephens

Births December qtr 1901 
Alice Maud   Stephens     Bridgend    11a   795
Title: Re: Alice Maud Stephens
Post by: giggsycat on Friday 22 September 17 20:32 BST (UK)
Do you mean this one?

   
Results: 
Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:       
STEPHENS, ALICE  MAUD     LEE     Order
GRO Reference: 1901  D Quarter in BRIDGEND  Volume 11A  Page 795

Giggsy
Title: Re: Alice Maud Stephens
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 22 September 17 20:46 BST (UK)
Birth info already posted above
Title: Re: Alice Maud Stephens
Post by: giggsycat on Friday 22 September 17 20:55 BST (UK)
Carole

I know! I posted from GRO Index as I thought the query was regarding her mother's maiden name?

"Particularly interested in her maiden as there seems to be some confusion about her mother's name".

Giggsy    
Title: Re: Alice Maud Stephens
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 22 September 17 21:03 BST (UK)
Hi i possibly think the confusion is that the other two children have either mmn Lee or Best, in 1901 with a Herbert Stephens 28 RG13/5041/23/38
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Alice Maud Stephens
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Friday 22 September 17 21:08 BST (UK)
1911 for info

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXZ-472

Cas
Title: Re: Alice Maud Stephens
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 22 September 17 21:57 BST (UK)
Hi giggsycat

Sorry about that.  I definitely added mmn as I looked it up on GRO site but it's not there in my reply.  Gremlins I think ;D




Title: Re: Alice Maud Stephens
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 22 September 17 22:22 BST (UK)
think this is her mother's birth, which is maybe where the Lee comes from?

BEST, MARY  SARAH      
mmn LEY
Q3 1871   ST THOMAS  Volume 05B  Page 63

1881 - Llwynypia

George Best    54
Ann M. Best    50
Richard G. Best    15
Sarah M. Best    9
Mary S. Best    9 - b Topsham
George Best    24
John Ford    16

RG11, 5305, 8, 10

yes the girls are twins and they are really Sarah Mary and Mary Sarah!!
Title: Re: Alice Maud Stephens
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 22 September 17 22:30 BST (UK)
Hi again that Mary S appears to marry an Albert Richard Sandford in 1889 Pontypridd daughter Sarah Letitia Sandford June qtr 1890 Pontypridd v11a page 489 mmn Best?

Census Ref RG12/4426/32/67
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Alice Maud Stephens
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 22 September 17 22:38 BST (UK)
1901 Albert Richard is with a wife Sarah Letitia (b Llwynypia), daughter of James & Sarah Murray !
Title: Re: Alice Maud Stephens
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 22 September 17 23:01 BST (UK)
Oh lord this is confusing

James Murray marries Sarah Mary Best.

Albert Richard Sandford marries Mary Sarah Best

1891
James Murray    21 - b Cardiff
Sarah Murray    20 - b topsham
Winefred Mary Murray    3 Weeks


Albert Sandford    22
Mary Sandford    20
Sarah Lltita Sandford    1

1901
James Murray    51 b Cardiff
Sarah M Murray    50 - b Topsham
Daisy Murray    8 - daughter  (mmn Best)
Albt Rich Sandford    32 - son in law b Topsham
Sarah Letitia Sandford    31 - daughter b Llwynypia
William E Sandford    7 - grand son   (mmn Best)
Amy Sandford    5 - grand daughter   (mmn Best)
William Reed    30

Jsut wondering if this is a total mess, and James & Sarah M should be 31 and 30, Albert should be brother in law, sarah his daughter aged 11 and William & Amy also his children?

I'm guessing Mary Sarah left Albert & took up with Herbert stephens



Title: Re: Alice Maud Stephens
Post by: moonshadow670 on Saturday 23 September 17 10:09 BST (UK)
Thanks everyone this has certainly given me something to think about!!  I am looking this up for a friend and there appears to be some scandal in the family. I did wonder if Lee was a birth name. I'll continue to see what comes up, your ideas have definitely given me food for thought
 :)
Title: Re: Alice Maud Stephens
Post by: moonshadow670 on Saturday 23 September 17 19:32 BST (UK)
Just found out the connection with Lee, checked the marriage of George Best and Ann M on BMD and came up with a marriage in the Sept qtr of 1851; shows the name as Ann Marie LEY. This explains why Alice's mum used the name Lee.  They say families research can be tricky, it certainly is with this family.
Title: Re: Alice Maud Stephens
Post by: moonshadow670 on Saturday 23 September 17 19:37 BST (UK)
Thanks Mabel for putting me on the right path
Title: Re: Alice Maud Stephens
Post by: moonshadow670 on Wednesday 27 September 17 20:02 BST (UK)
Although Alice Maud Stephen's birth certificate shows her father as Herbert Richard Stephens and her mother as Mary Sarah Stephens, nee Lee; they were never married. It appears that Mary Sarah Best AKA Lee, married Albert Richard Sandford in 1889 and had a daughter in 1890. However according to family she left Albert to live with Herbert Richard. No divorce is shown in GRO index and no marriage to Herbert- hence the scandal in the family.
Mary Sarah's father was George Best.
Mystery solved!!