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Matthew Roberts born 28 Feb 1762 in glaston Rutland England lived in uppingham rutland in 1825 . father peter Roberts will left him a house in uppingham .
Rutland ------Lately At Uppingham, age 74 Peter Roberts. Peter had a great dislike to the fair sex and could not suffer attendance from them upon any occasion. A few years back he had the misfortune to suffer much pain by a corn upon his toe: and his patience being not quite so great as the pain, he soon dispatched the affair altogether by chopping off the toe what a hatchet.
His brother who died some time ago and who left him a good sum, was also an eccentric. He hit upon a very curious method of saving money, it was related that he used to work on Sundays at his trade ( that of a cobbler ), and earned as much money on that day as would keep him the whole week, whilst the rest of his earnings were entirely reserved and finally fell into the hands of his brother .
brother would be Samuel Roberts
any info would be helpful kids living there any census with family there
warm regards
Rev Rick
god bless
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Peter Roberts late of Uppingham Shoemaker Deceased 2nd feb 1825.
This will is to grant Elizabeth Stapelton of Glayson ( Who I think is his Neice) The sum of One hundred pounds when she arrives to the age of 21 years and not before.
Likewise to Ann Stapelton of Glayston ( another Neice I think) the sum of one hundred pounds when she comes to the age of 21 and not before.
Likewise to Ann Stapleton widow of Glayston in Rutland ( Widow of Abraham I think, nee Roberts) The sum of fifty pound to be paid 3 months after my decease and likewise to Mary Seaton The sum of fifty pounds. The property is in the hands of ( cant read the name looks like Miss Tin man- two words) of Uppingham one hundred pounds and in George ( another unclear name) of ralford Lane Corn (or Cole) merchant road and ( unclear - maybe a name) of Mulford Lane London one hundred pounds the rest of the property is in my possession at present.
Mr Matthew Roberts shall be trustee to the children and see the rites and free hold little house with the well of water before the door shall be his and all my personal things when I am dead. And to bury me in a decent manner if I die in Uppingham or any place within 20 miles of it.
this is the will sorry first one newspaper article I found lol
warm regards
god bless
Rev Rick
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Hi would this be Matthew in 1841 census:-
Matthew Roberts 75 occ School Master
Fanny 75
William Addison 40 occ Shoe Maker Not born in county
Ann Addison 35
John Warren 15
Residing at Glaston, Uppingham
Census Ref HO107/898/ 5/4 / 3
Keyboard86
EDIT He married Fanny Chapman 31st July 1834 Glaston both were Widowed.
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thank you
god bless
good start more then I had
Warm regards
Rev Rick
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Hi again, the William/Ann Addison in the 1841 household married:-
William Addison and Ann Stapleton 19th March 1829 Glaston, witnesses George Chapman and Matthew Roberts
Keyboard86
EDIT Baptism Ann Stapleton 3rd June 1804 Glaston Father Abraham Mother Ann ( Late Roberts)
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hello thank you again this really helps I had nothing on matthew
and ann stapleton is the daughter of his sister ann Roberts who married a stapleton and they had another daughter Elizabeth ... but this makes sense the stapleton gilrs would be living there and matthew was to look after them
this is great thank you and they were cordwainers so the young lad is a prentice shoe maker
warm regards
Rev Rick
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matthew had a step brother peter Roberts born 07 Aug 1740 who had a son peter Roberts born 13 Sep 1772 I don't know what happened to him I think he might have been hung no records of his death would be before 1824 his dads will I posted
warm regards
Rev Rick
I don't understand why I cant find these records in Canada on the net
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matthew had a step brother peter Roberts born 07 Aug 1740 who had a son peter Roberts born 13 Sep 1772 I don't know what happened to him I think he might have been hung no records of his death would be before 1824 his dads will I posted
warm regards
Rev Rick
I don't understand why I cant find these records in Canada on the net
95% of real records are not scanned and many not even indexed so are not on 'the net'
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well thank you very much it fills in a lot of questions wish I could go there and research
warm regards
Rev Rick
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Hi again, the John Warren in 1841 is also a relative of family:-
1851 census
Ann Addison 47 Widow occ Annuitant b Glaston
John Warren 26 Nephew occ Boot Maker b Ditton, Huntingdonshire
William Warren 16 Nephew b London
Residing Glayston, Uppingham
Census ref HO107/2093/309/49
1861 Census:-
John Warren 35 occ Shoemaker & Inn Keeper b Ditton
Susannah 36 b Empingham
William 4 b Glaston
Susan 5 b Glaston
William 24 Brother b Paddington
Mrs Addison 50? Aunt
Residing at Three Horse Shoes, Glaston
Census ref RG09/2310/89/7
Ann or Mrs Addison is stil with John Warren in 1871
Keyboard86
EDIT John Warren 28 of Glaston occ Shoemaker Father John Warren occ Carpenter
Susannah Dale 33 of Ayston Father William Dale occ Shepherd
21st June 1853 Ayston
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Hi all, need help, on both the 1851 and 1861 census above John Warren gives his pob as "Ditton" Huntingdonshire in 1871 census " Morboys" Huntingdonshire?
1871 census ref RG10/3306/59/36
Are these actual villages/towns?
Keyboard86
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Warboys :-\
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HUN/Warboys
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Warboys :-\
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HUN/Warboys
:) OK go with that, so Ditton?
Keyboard
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:) Just contacted my cousin in St Neots, he said Ditton is near Haverhill?
Keyboard86
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Hello Listers
I cant thank you enough for all this info .. all I can say is wow . I have been stumped and stymied and now I know a lot more then I did .
I have a question how do I find out were I can find wills
looking for
peter Roberts 1803 think in coats Lincolnshire
and
Thomas musson died 26 Jul 1751 in swinstead if wills are there
warm regards I can pay if someone knows were they are I can send you money order in pounds since I am in Canada
god bless
warm regards
and thank you thank you thank you Rev Rick
you have made my month
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Hi again Rick, I like to keep in my comfort zone, ancient wills I leave for those better qualified to assist!
I am trying to work out the parentage of John and William Warren, we know from marriage of John his father was also a John occ Carpenter, who was the wife of John snr?
William Warren shows either born London or Paddington in 1851/61 so a possible baptism is:-
William Warren born 20th October 1835 baptism 23rd July 1837 Old Church, St Pancras Father John Mother Ann, what maiden name for Ann? ( Not happy as a candidate with mother Ann in 1841 census St Pancras)
Susannah Warren 63 Widow b Empingham still has Ann Addison 73 in household in 1881 census
RG11/3190/100/30
Susannah Warren aged 73 is with son William A Warren 34 and Nieces Mary E Holford 5 and Violet A Holford 3 at The Three Horse Shoes, North Side, Uppingham Road, Glaston
Census ref RG12/2551/80/20
Pub still exists today, google Three Horse Shoes Uppingham
Keyboard86
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Hi again, Peter Roberts could not have been that adverse to female company as alongside the birth in Glaston of Matthew Roberts 28th February 1762 Father Peter Mother Mary, they also had daughters Mary b 16th June 1760 and Ann 21st June 1764?
Possibly Mary Roberts married a William Holmes 2nd March 1787 Uppingham?
Abraham Stapleton married Ann Roberts 19th December 1800 Glaston
Keyboard86
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There is an index of Lincolnshire wills from 1700-1800 but the individuals' names don't show - https://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/lincoln-consistory-court-wills-index/129693.article
A Peter Roberts, a shepherd of Manthorpe born in 1740, was buried in Witham on the Hill on 3rd December 1809.
His wife, Sarah nee Musson of Manthorpe, was buried there on 25th April 1790.
There is a settlement certificate of 24th May 1770 for them from Manthorpe/Witham to Carlby.
David
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Hello Listers
Looking for matthew roberts will in uppingham around 1846 guess on my part
Also the birth of peter roberts o
In rutland or lincoln peter roberts born 1798 -1800 my guess is 1799 spring father peter mother sussanna
Any thomas musson wills around 1819 to 1823 how would i find them could be in cottsmore
Will pay for these if anyone can help
Warm regards
God bless
Rev rick
With all your help i am much farther then i was 1 month ago thank you very much :-)
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You can certainly look at Cottesmore PRs http://thelivingvillage.co.uk/parish-records.php
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do they have this for uppingham rutland also love it thanks
warm regards
Rev Rick
god bless you
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hello lister
this is confusing but then again my family is confusing I thing the peter that died was his son in 1809 and was buried with his mother . his father I believe was in uppingham and died in 1824 I have his will . unless you can show me peter Roberts father I think you solved a big mystery for me . what do you think . is it possible that they had a grave site and the son died and was buried there instead of the father ?? I know it happens here sometimes seen it
warm regards Rev Rick
god bless
really want your in put on this one please
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help Lister
this is getting confusing
I have
sarah musson birth 11 Oct 1741 swinstead m peter Roberts of 1740 on 23 may 1770
mary musson b25 Jul 1737 swinstead m peter Roberts of 1703 on 23 may 1770 they are sisters marring father and son mary 35 years younger
Thomas musson m sussanna Roberts later that same year 23 dec 1770 there brother
now can any one tell me
peter Roberts 1740 died in 2 feb 1825 have his will
if peter Roberts is buried with his mother of 1772 this all makes sense ????????????? screwed family let me tell you anyone can you help me need a new look at this
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hello
he could have been in later life wife sarah died
warm regards Rev Rick
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You may or may not already have this
There is some information on here about "ROBERTS, Mathew of Glaston.
Staymaker & Cordwainer." http://www.uppinghamhistory.org.uk/copyholders/copyholderspt-1d.pdf go to page 1900
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The images show that only one marriage took place at Witham on the Hill on 23 May 1770 and that was Peter Roberts to Sarah Musson.
If you zoom in on this link, its the right hand page, second marriage down:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kst/
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Burial at Glaston 17 Dec 1795, Peter Roberts, Shoemaker, aged 82.
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peter Roberts 1740 died in 2 feb 1825 have his will
A Peter Roberts was buried at Uppingham 21 Dec 1824, aged 74. This would put his birth at 1750, not 1740.
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in familysearch.org it has two marriage for peter Roberts one is to sarah one is to mary sisters
mmmmm
thanks
warm regards
Rev Rick
why can I get these records here it is so hard wish I could go there now lol
thanks again
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in familysearch.org it has two marriage for peter Roberts one is to sarah one is to mary sisters
Familysearch are transcripts only, and it seems they have made a mistake. I gave you a link to the actual parish record, which shows only one marriage.
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jomot
they did not have a clue about there age in my family which is making it harder but tells me I am on the right family lol
rev rick
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jommot
how do I find his will to pay it I will send money in pounds or credit card really need that will now
warm regards
Rev rick
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https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Apeter~%20%2Bsurname%3Aroberts~%20%2Bmarriage_place%3A%22witham%20on%20hill%22~%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1770-1770~
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Hi Rick
Looking at those two familysearch records, and in particular the Film Numbers.
The record saying he married Mary Musson is film No 1450477, which is the Parish Register for Witham on the Hill http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ksu/
The record saying he married Sarah Musson is film No 508075 / 508095, which are the Bishop's Transcript for Witham on the Hill http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ksv/
Therefore the transcripts are from two different records and will have been transcribed by two different people, and as such may be subject to human error.
The link I sent previously is to the images held at Lincolnshire Archives, which are itemised by them as being the Parish Record, ie the one Familysearch has filmed as 1450477 but transcribed as Mary.
I think your best course of action would be to email Lincolnshire Archives and ask if the image on their website for Witham on the Hill is from the Parish Register or the Bishop's Transcript. If they confirm that it is the Parish Register then the correct bride is Sarah.
As to Peter who died in 1795, I have a CD of Rutland Wills 1384-1858 and the only will for a Peter Roberts is the one you already have.
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are there any wills for matthew Roberts around 1846 1847 some where uppingham stay-maker and cordwainer ?
thank you will try and get a hold of Lincolnshire records we will see
god bless you my friend Rev Rick
it is a mess and if it is messed up it is worse but peter did marry a mary so who knows and his son did marry sarah which we know is right for sure have the kids and all
thanks again
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There doesn't seem to be a will although there is a record that a Matthew Roberts died intestate and administration was granted to Ann (?) Addison of Glaston. Year of death is given as 1846
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Just to add to the confusion, from the Leicester Chronicle 06 July 1844:
On Sunday, at Glaston, Rutland, very suddenly, in his 83rd year, Mr Matthew Roberts. He was out of bed to look at his watch at half past five o'clock, in his usual health, and was a corpse by half past eleven. He was clerk of the parish for forty four years, and held the office till the day of his death.
However, the only burial I can see is at Peckleton on 15 Nov 1847, Matthew Roberts aged 86, which matches the 1847 GRO death record for Matthew Roberts aged 86 ???
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Jomot
that is him that is ann Addison her mother was ann Roberts his sister now what is interstate mean ???? so there is no will I am bummed
we have exhausted matthew at this point only one male left I know of and it is Samuel he died young 27 Jun 1748 pickworth have nothing on him think he moved to north lufferingham not sure why I think that but I do lol
well there has to be a will somewhere for this guy or something his sisters kids got the house ann Addison was ann Roberts child from second marriage
warm regards
you have answered a lot of questions my friend god bless you for doing this
warm regards
god bless you and your family amen
Rev Rick
your friend and mine lol
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Intestate means died without leaving a will. Ann Addison was granted administration, which meant that she dealt with his estate. If he did not have a surviving wife then his children would inherit equally, and if any of his children had died before him then their portion would be split amongst that persons children, if they had any.
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peter did marry a mary so who knows and his son did marry sarah which we know is right for sure have the kids and all
thanks again
This looks like the marriage to Mary you are looking for:
23 Jul 1759 Yarwell, Northamptonshire
Peter Roberts of the parish of Glaiston, Rutland, Shoemaker
Mary Ross of Yarwell, Spinster
Married by Licence. Both signed.
Witnesses: Richard Skinner & William Harrison
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The banns and marriage of Peter Roberts to Sarah Musson - https://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=547816&iid=140363
Peter's burial - https://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=542431&iid=140475
Sarah's burial - www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=542431&iid=140458
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Rick
I cant help but think you're muddling up more than one family. The Peter Roberts buried Witham On The Hill in 1809 was aged 69, so born 1740. He therefore cant be the same person who died in 1825 whose will you have (and whose burial record puts him as born c1750).
The parents of Peter Roberts baptised 1 May 1740 at Pickworth were Peter & Priscilla, and Priscilla Roberts widow was buried there 2 Sep 1777. A Peter Roberts was buried at Pickworth on 8 May 1769.
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hello listers
I have done my y dna 67 markers and also my family finder any sites I can put this on in England ? I need to find English connections lol
warm regards
God bless
Rev Rick