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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: HannahM on Sunday 24 September 17 03:20 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
I am desperately trying to find sources (free might I add) that will allow me to reach further back from My Great-Great-Great-Grandparents:
William Brown b: 1886 d:1957
Mary Jane Brown (nee McLachlan) b: 1881 d:1962 Both buried in Clinton, South Island
Married 02/01/1912, and later divorced in 1955, Invercargill
I am aware they had 5 Children:
William Brown: b:03/03/1912 d:04/03/1912?
Hazel Christina Margaret Brown: b:1913 d:?
Allison Marion Myra Brown: b:02/05/1915 d:24/09/1989
Alexander Arthur Brown: b: 26/12/1916 d:01/02/1972
William Eion Brown: b:1917 d: ?
Also looking for the family of Alexander Arthur Browns Wife- Vera Edith Victoria Tippett
If anyone can provide missing details on the death dates, which will assist me in finding their headstones, along with Mary or Williams Parents or Siblings it would be gratefully appreciated
Thanks
Hannah
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Just quickly advising that the marriage details in BDM have the spelling of Mary Ann's surname a little differently from yours
1912/1264 Mary Jane McLachlan William Brown
Unfortunately to really cement the fact that someone is your ancestor at some stage you will need to purchase a copy of a certificate or two from Births Deaths and Marriages. We can advise here so that you have every chance of getting the correct certificate. But nothing will get around the need to purchase a certificate or two along the way.
Having said that a good record to get a photocopy of would be the marriage certificate and the reference is above. Get a photocopy of the original records. This is because the details on a marriage certificate is from the parties themselves and unless they are deliberately trying to confuse will be more accurate than say death certificates where others have provided the details.
There are several sites you could look at
Family Search
NZ BDM
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1912/4312 Brown William Mary Jane William
NB different first names for the mother.
Possible death
1912/533 Brown William 17H
Solely on the basis that families often named children for the mothers or fathers parent/parents these births in 1886 MAY be your William's ie second child first girl has the name Margaret as one of the first names.
1886/13748 Brown William Alexander Margaret James Miller
1886/15136 Brown William Margaret NR
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Do you know that William born 1886 was born in NZ?
Back to confirming the births etc of children
1913/24585 Brown Hazel Christina Margaret Mary Jane William
1915/22072 Brown Allison Marion Myra Mary Jane William
NB spelling of Allison
1917/13594 Brown Alexander Arthur Mary Jane William
Registered after the Christmas break?
I have found (on family search) the Will of William Brown, retired builder who died in 1957. He appoints Mary Jane Brown as his executrix.
Childrens names from that will are
Myra Alison Marion Brown
Arthur Alexander Brown
William Eoin Brown
Hazel Christina Margaret Dorman
and Florence Mavis Mary McTaggart.
So another girl, six children in total?
Death of FMM McTaggart
1988/30564 McTaggart Florence Mavis Mary 21 December 1923
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My spelling mistake, Unsure why I placed an extra A in Mary's surname
I have no further details on William and Mary, so I am unsure on where they were born.
Also looking for the details on Alexander Arthur Brown's Wife - (Vera Edith Victoria (Tippett) Brown)s Parents
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Curious as to why this is query is marked as "URGENT" ???
~ Lu ;D
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William is buried with Mary Jane Brown, not Mary Ann Brown.
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Hi Lu,
I've marked it as urgent as I would love to get as much information in the next 12 days so I can present it to my grandfather for his 70th- as he knows very little about his extended family
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Are you aware that Alexander Arthur BROWN and his wife Vera Edith V. BROWN were divorced in 1956 ? She remarried in that same year.
NZ Death
2010 - WALKER - Vera Edith Victoria - date of birth = 7 October 1918*
[* Her birth registration (if a New Zealand birth) will not appear on NZ BDM online index until October next year. ]
~ Lu
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... lovely idea as a birthday gift, Hannah ... but it's difficult to confirm accuracy without purchasing at least a few BDM records (... as I think has already been mentioned) . ;)
You can purchase a "Printout" of a BD or M event ... and this can be sent fairly quickly to you via email.
Just a suggestion ;D ... the Marriage record (Printout) for William BROWN and Mary Jane McLACHLAN - 1912 - would give you a good deal of additional information (all of it provided by the bride and groom). Provision was made at that time (1912) for the record to include > birth places of the parties who were marrying / the names of each of their mothers and fathers / the occupations of their fathers / the maiden surnames of their mothers.
Also ... the witnesses to the marriage may well have been family members ... and from that information, you may find a whole lot more.
~ Lu
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Hi HannahM,
If you have a deadline to acquire definitive information about William BROWN and Mary MCLACHLAN I suggest that you follow Shanreagh's advice and order a printout (i.e. a copy of the original document) of the 1912 marriage certificate from NZ BDM.
Ditto for the marriage of Vera Edith Victoria TIPPETT.
The certificate should provide the names and occupations of their parents as well as the birthplaces and ages of both parties. For a list of what should appear in a post-1880 marriage certificate see;
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=259108.0
NZ BDM can email the document to you but as this can take ten working days you should contact them immediately to achieve your deadline. Make sure you request a printout, otherwise you will receive only a transcription record.
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/
Spades
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Snap, Lucy2. :D
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;D
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Ditto for the marriage of Vera Edith Victoria TIPPETT.
Spades
Mmm ... the first marriage of Vera E.V. TIPPETT (to A.A. BROWN) occurred in the 1940's, and so it will not be classed as "an Historical record". You would need to look at the details for purchasing non-historical BDM records at this link >>
https://www.bdmonline.dia.govt.nz/NonHistoricRecords
~ Lu
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William Brown b: 1886 d:1957
Mary Jane Brown (nee McLachlan) b: 1881 d:1962 Both buried in Clinton, South Island
Married 02/01/1912, and later divorced in 1955, Invercargill
Hi Hannah
Are you sure this couple divorced ??
It seems you have probably mixed up the divorce of their son Alexander Arthur BROWN (from Vera Edith V.) in which proceedings began in 1955 with the Decree Absolute handed down in 1956. ??
Here is a link to the Probate record of William BROWN 1957.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C915-J7KV-L?i=757&cc=1865481
You will see that Probate was granted in 1957 to ("his wife") Mary Jane BROWN, widow of Clinton,
she being the same person (wife) as mentioned in his will dated 1951.
~ Lu
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There was also a Probate file for Mary Jane BROWN, although unfortunately it doesn't give a lot of useful family information.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSMY-2PZ9?i=253&cc=1865481
~ Lu
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The following is information for the family of your Mary Jane McLACHLAN (b.c. 1881 - wife of William BROWN ).
If you go to NZ BDM online today (the site is not currently responding to searches probably because information is being uploaded - Sunday evening - quiet time ;D) you will be able to find the birth of Mary Jane McLACHLAN registered 1881, and confirm the names of her parents.
[Her birth does show up in the NZ Birth Index (available at ancestry.com) ... registered 1881 at Popotunoa. This listing though does not give names of parents so you have to check for those at NZ BDM (online). ]
Also registered at Popotunoa were other McLACHLAN children (1878 thru to 1882) and by following two of them, I was able to locate what I thought were also the parents of Mary Jane.
~ Lu
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The following is the Probate record for a Donald Alexander McLACHLAN of Clinton, Builder, ... who most certainly is the father of Mary Jane BROWN. :D
See # 2. of his Will ... (reference to) my daughter Mary Jane, wife of William BROWN of Clinton, Builder.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9PS-VLMJ?i=402&cc=1865481
~ Lu
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Hannah ... according to records for Clinton Cemetery, Christina Bain MOFFAT (d. 1923) was the wife of Donald Alex McLACHLAN (d. 1930).
So, Christina Bain MOFFAT, appears to have been the mother of Mary Jane McLACHLAN (w/o William BROWN)..
[There is another MOFFAT-McLACHLAN "combination" buried in an adjacent plot at Clinton cemetery.
Appears it might be Christina's sister - who had married Donald's brother ??? Will check further.]
~ Lu
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[There is another MOFFAT-McLACHLAN "combination" buried in an adjacent plot at Clinton cemetery.
Appears it might be Christina's sister - who had married Donald's brother ??? Will check further.]
~ Lu
... oops ... sorry, got my information mixed up re: "another MOFFAT-McLACHLAN" : Please just ignore above ... I need to do some further searching on this other burial at Clinton Cemetery.
~ Lu
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Hannah ... this is the NZ marriage of Mary Jane McLACHLAN's parents :
Donald MacLACHLAN* -- Christina Bain MOFFAT -- 1877
Marriage at Knox Presbyterian Church, Dunedin on 20 August 1877 :
[ * spelling "MacLACHLAN" is given on the NZSG marriages CD. The Otago Presbyterian Marriage index has surname as "McLACHLAN. ]
~ Lu
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Okay ... so this is clarification of the burial of a husband and wife, in the plot alongside of that of Christina Bain MOFFAT and her husband, Donald Alex. McLACHLAN > Block 7 - Plot 8 - Clinton Cemetery.
Block 7 - Plot 7 [Clinton Cemetery ]
Marion CAIRNS wife of John MOFFAT died 11 July 1907 - 78 years.
Also, John MOFFAT - died 28 August 1908 - 82 years.
And Marion and John MOFFAT are the parents of Christina Bain MOFFAT (McLACHLAN). See following posts.
[Note the use of 'maiden surnames' of these women in these headstone records. Notices of their deaths however, appear under their 'married surnames' . ]
~ Lu
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This is the link to the very interesting Will (Probate file) of John MOFFAT.
Strangely (or not) cannot see a mention of daughter Christina in his Will ???
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSHB-2HYW?i=632&cc=1865481
~ Lu
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OBITUARY for - Mr John MOFFAT of Clinton :
You'll find this most helpful, I'm sure. ;)
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CL19080828.2.21
And, happily ... all his children "accounted for" ... and amongst the names of his nine daughters,
Mrs D. A. McLACHLAN of Clinton.
~ Lu
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FindMyPast (FindMyPast website) has the following birth :
MOFFAT - Christina
Birth Year : - 1853
West Linton, Peebles, Scotland
Father : John MOFFAT
Mother: Marion CAIRNS
Address: Linton, Peebleshire, Scotland
Place: West Linton
~ Lu
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Death Notice for Marion CAIRNS ... under surname "MOFFAT" :
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT19070713.2.44
[Hadn't noticed earlier, but the undertaker appears to be her son-in-law ... D. A. McLACHLAN.
As a "builder" though, with the making of coffins, the "undertaking" side of things, often went together.]
~ Lu
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NZ BDM site up and running again, albeit very sluggishly.
Birth :
1881 - McLACHLAN - Mary Jane
Parents : Christianna Bane * and Donald
* The spelling of mother's name as recorded on her headstone would likely be correct.
~ Lu
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Vera Walker nee Tippett is recorded on the Invercargill Cemetery Search.
http://icc.govt.nz/cemeteries/cemetery-search/
Newspapers around that date may have some information.
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WALKER, Vera Edith Victoria.
Died 10 August 2010. Age 91y
Published Notices (3)
Southland Times 11 Aug 2010
Southland Times 12 Aug 2010
Southland Times 13 Aug 2010
The funeral director may be able to put you in touch with her family,their email is at the bottom of the page,don't use the form I have found FD's never reply to them
https://www.mwfunerals.co.nz/contact-us
Cheers Janette
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Okay ... so this is clarification of the burial of a husband and wife, in the plot alongside of that of Christina Bain MOFFAT and her husband, Donald Alex. McLACHLAN > Block 7 - Plot 8 - Clinton Cemetery.
Block 7 - Plot 7 [Clinton Cemetery ]
Marion CAIRNS wife of John MOFFAT died 11 July 1907 - 78 years.
Also, John MOFFAT - died 28 August 1908 - 82 years.
And Marion and John MOFFAT are the parents of Christina Bain MOFFAT (McLACHLAN). See following posts.
[Note the use of 'maiden surnames' of these women in these headstone records. Notices of their deaths however, appear under their 'married surnames' . ]
~ Lu
And as a 'sort of' confirmation/checking device see the names of the children of the family in OP's initial post. Good old naming patterns still persisting in children born in another country whose ancestors are Scots. These children have 'family' names....eg Marion, Christina. Retention of maiden surnames is also a persistent Scottish genealogical trait.
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Hi all,
Just like to say a huge thank you for all the information and advice you have provided me. Although there are a few names missing I'm feeling confident in passing my findings over to my granddad this weekend- couldn't of done it without your help :D