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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: Darren1 on Tuesday 26 September 17 19:20 BST (UK)
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Hello all, I have recently discovered my ancestor (Gilbert McWilliam Caldwell) in a passenger list sailing from Glasgow to Halifax, Nova Scotia on 16 April 1927 and his destination being Paynter Farm, Kensington, PEI. I have been finding it difficult to track down whether he married and had children and when and where he died. He was born in 1905 in Johnstone, Renfrewshire, Scotland to James Caldwell and Margaret McWilliam. Can anyone help or is there any descendants out there?
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Could this be your Gilbert??
Marriage to Winnifred Jessie Woodington in Kensington in 1927
http://www.gov.pe.ca/parosearch/vital/individual-vital-information/recordId/286116/eventType/2
RK
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Death record for Winnifred in Kensington in 1962
http://www.gov.pe.ca/parosearch/vital/individual-vital-information/recordId/292713/eventType/3
RK
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When Gilbert came to Canada.....
On the same passenger manifest was the family of a William Woodington. Among his children was a daughter Winnie age 20. The family had the same destination as Gilbert....Mr Leslie Woodington, Paynter Farm, Kensington, PEI. There was also one other person from Johnstone going to the same destination, an Angus Macleod.
PB
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Local newspapers:
Column on the left...1939, looks like he was opening a bake shop in Kensington
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ksb/
Right hand column...says Gilbert is joining the armed forces - Nov 1940.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ksd/
Under "Kensington and Vicinity" - says Mr Gilbert Caldwell of the RCAF is spending the week in Kensington with his wife and family.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ksc/
RK
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Hi guys,
I have managed to find the death of Winnifred in 1962 and their marriage in 1927. The passenger list for Gilbert in 1927 records that his final destination was to Leslie Woodington's farm, therefore you could essentially put two and two together that Gilbert married the farmer's daughter! It would be good to find out when and where Gilbert died and if there are any of the couple's children and grandchildren out there.
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This is odd.. an obit for Winnifred Woodington Caldwell.. says she was Mrs W J Caldwell ??? ??? Perhaps a typo? The marriage certainly says her husband is Gilbert.
Children mentioned here
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kse/
Interment Peoples Cemetery, Kensington
RK
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About half of the way down this page... obituary for Eric Caldwell, son of Gilbert and Winnifred Caldwell. He died earlier this year
http://www.islandregister.com/2017obits.html
A bit longer obituary here
http://www.inmemoriam.ca/view-announcement-609442-eric-caldwell.html
The names of his siblings are the same as the names in Winnifred's obituary.
RK
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I wonder if the W J in the obit for Winnifred might be for Winnifred and the initial of a second name?
PB
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I suppose that the "Winnifred Jessie" is more likely. I did find it strange at first. Is there a date of that publication and newspaper name?
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Ah yes, of course. I didn't read Winnifred's obit closely enough.
It looks like some smaller print at the center top indicates....
The Guardian Charlottetown Monday September 17 1962
PB
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No such luck in finding when Gilbert died? I really appreciate all your hard work from both of you!
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I wonder if the W J in the obit for Winnifred might be for Winnifred and the initial of a second name?
PB
Of course!! I guess I am so used to women using their husbands' names/initials.... "Mrs Joe blogs" etc... in older papers. I should have noticed that those were her own initials :P. Oops.
RK (feeling very silly at the moment!!)
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I suppose that the "Winnifred Jessie" is more likely. I did find it strange at first. Is there a date of that publication and newspaper name?
That would be the Guardian, Sept 29, 1962.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ksh/
http://islandnewspapers.ca/islandora/object/newspapers%3Aguardian/newspaper_about
RK
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No such luck in finding when Gilbert died? I really appreciate all your hard work from both of you!
Perhaps you could contact the cemetery and find out when Gilbert died. I expect he is buried with his wife. If you can get a date of death, you can check the newspapers for an obituary. Here is the search page
http://islandnewspapers.ca/search
RK
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An online tree at ancestry shows Gilbert McWilliam Caldwell born 1905, parent James Caldwell and Margaret McWilliam.
This tree links him to a marriage to Carmen Dorothy Renaud (1920- 12 Nov 1982 Barrie, Ontario) and Gilbert's death 1984 (no date) Barrie, Ontario. The couple can be found in Voters Lists for Simcoe County (where Barrie is located) in 1957 and onward. Gilbert a RCAF cook. Barrie newspaper index shows daughters born in 1954 and 1955. Tree shows three daughters.
They have linked the same passenger list as you noted.
???? Have those little green leaves led someone astray or was there a break-up and a second family
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http://www.inmemoriam.ca/view-announcement-21352-james-gilbert-caldwell.html
Obit for James Gilbert Caldwell
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Another tree has Gilbert's birth as 28 Apr 1905 Johnstone, taken from his father's service record (link is included) and his death as 28 Feb 1983 in Barrie Ontario.
I wonder if there might be a newspaper obit?
It seems very odd that Gilbert wasn't mentioned in Winnifred's obit and I too was wondering if there might have been a break-up of their marriage.
PB
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Thank you so much for this guys! I think Gilbert has remarried at some point. Interesting that Winnifred's surname was still Caldwell at the time of her death if they did divorce.
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You could check with the Barrie Library to see if they would look up an obituary for you for Gilbert. That way you might verify a second marriage. Online trees are sometimes suspect - very easy to mix up families.
Had an aunt who divorced in the early 60s and she maintained her married name until her second marriage 10 years later.
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https://docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=http://vre2.upei.ca/cap/fedora/repository/cap:2517/OBJ/preview.pdf
Property transfers for various houses including the property owned by Gilbert and Winnifred Caldwell. Does his transfer of property to her in 1948 indicate a split in the marriage?
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Thanks Cosmac,
What street is it and what page?
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Use Control F to open your browser's find box and enter the surname Caldwell to easily find their entry.
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Thank you for everything guys! I have even managed to track down some relatives in Canada! There was one other query/person I am interested in tracking down, Elizabeth (Lizzie) Donnelly nee. Caldwell (this was Gilbert's younger sister). She was born in 1907 in Johnstone, Renfrewshire, married in 1935 in Johnstone to David Donnelly, after that the trail goes cold! I have been led to believe she too emigrated to Canada, her eldest sister Margaret emigrated to British Columbia in 1951, however I have not been able track down Elizabeth.