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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: rosie99 on Thursday 12 October 17 11:09 BST (UK)
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From the GRO website today, I can't see this posted anywhere else, please delete if it is.
General Register Office (GRO) - PDF Extended Pilot
The GRO is piloting a service from 12 October 2017 to provide portable document format (PDF) copies of digitised historical birth and death records. The pilot will run for a minimum of 3 months to enable GRO to assess the demand for this service over a prolonged period.
Applications for each PDF cost £6, must be made online, and include a GRO index reference.
England and Wales records which are available as PDFs in this extended pilot include:
Births: 1837 –1916
Deaths: 1837 –1957
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Good news ....
There is a slight change to the previous trial - once produced, the pdf will be available to download from your account page on the GRO site for a period of time ( in the same way that probate service wills are delivered) rather than sent as an email attachment.
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That's very good news ! Thank you rosie99 !
Christine
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Great news. I'd been holding off ordering a few speculative ones, so now I can get 3 for 2 :D
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Good news ....
There is a slight change to the previous trial - once produced, the pdf will be available to download from your account page on the GRO site for a period of time ( in the same way that probate service wills are delivered) rather than sent as an email attachment.
Thanks Antony, that is good to know. :)
The time span of death certificates appears to have been extended too or did they always go to 1957 :-\ OK they always went to 1957 ;D
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Does anyone know if you get an instant pdf or do you have to wait a couple of days?
Certainly a cheaper option, but in comparison to a "proper" printed and posted certificate, I find the price relatively expensive.
Rebel
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"within 5 working days" see https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/PDF_most_customers_want_to_know.asp#PDF17
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This is worth noting though:
"PDFs will remain available to view for a period of 3 months from the point of ordering, after which it will be removed. You will not receive a reminder prior to deletion."
I'm sure that the probate people did sent a reminder didn't they? Everyone will need to get into the habit of saving immediately.
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Well I know what I’m going to be doing this afternoon, thanks for the good news.
Regards panda
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Does anyone know if you get an instant pdf or do you have to wait a couple of days?
My simple mind says that to get an 'instant' PDF every register entry (i.e. many millions) must have been digitised already for off-the-shelf transmission. Not likely IMHO ???
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It says 4working days from order. You are sent an email informing you they can be viewed and downloaded from your account.
Regards
Panda
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It says 4working days from order. You are sent an email informing you they can be viewed and downloaded from your account.
Regards
Panda
Thanks for finding that out....I think I'll be sticking with the printed copies.
Does anyone know if you get an instant pdf or do you have to wait a couple of days?
My simple mind says that to get an 'instant' PDF every register entry (i.e. many millions) must have been digitised already for off-the-shelf transmission. Not likely IMHO ???
It's do-able though. Look at the stuff that National Archives, NLS , NLW have digitised, say in the last 10 years. Incredible!
It seems like GRO didn't know what an interest people had in their records until last week!
Rebel
Rebel
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It seems like GRO didn't know what an interest people had in their records until last week!
This is not new, you obviously missed these topics last year :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=760333.msg6112739#msg6112739
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=759016.0
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I'm sure that the probate people did sent a reminder didn't they? Everyone will need to get into the habit of saving immediately.
I've had two reminders recently about Wills so they don't appear to have changed their method.....yet.
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It says 4working days from order. You are sent an email informing you they can be viewed and downloaded from your account.
Regards
Panda
Thanks for finding that out....I think I'll be sticking with the printed copies
Depends whether you want to continue paying full price. Granted the pdfs are only £3.25 cheaper but that's better than nothing.
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Thanks Rosie ;D
I've just ordered the first of several PDFs from my 'wish list'. Here in Australia it's taken up to six weeks to receive a paper copy (probably not GRO's fault) so a 4-5 day service for less money suits me just fine.
Of course some people will always find something to moan about ............................
Carol
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I am pleased to hear that it will be of benefit to you Carol, there is nothing worse than waiting for something stuck in the post. ;D
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Great news! Thanks for posting. Just ordered a few...;D
I will be sure to download them as soon as they arrive.
RK
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Thanks for posting, I'd been hoping they would offer the pdf's again.
Lisa
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Thanks for posting that good news.
Now I just have to find my list!
Best wishes,
Selina
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Of course some people will always find something to moan about ............................
OK Carol, I'll have a legitimate moan!! I've just spent quite a bit of money on certs and am surprised that GRO didn't have a notice on their site that they intended to start issuing PDFs again, until the day they did it - or was that so people like me would spend more money? If only they'd had a notice say a week in advance ???
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Does any have any inside info whether the certificates would be reduced in price if the online delivery method became permanent?
Also wouldn't just allowing users to download whole pages (at least within the current date limits to comply with the data protection act) be much more efficient and profitable as it would require no or little further effort on the part of GRO employees?
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Of course some people will always find something to moan about ............................
OK Carol, I'll have a legitimate moan!! I've just spent quite a bit of money on certs and am surprised that GRO didn't have a notice on their site that they intended to start issuing PDFs again, until the day they did it - or was that so people like me would spend more money? If only they'd had a notice say a week in advance ???
I had the same experience with last year's pilot. The only way I was warned in advance this time was by following Lost Cousins' newsletter:
https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/latesep17news.htm
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mutchall - if it's like the last time you can't download whole pages, just the certificate you want.
On Scotlandspeople if you download a cert of an ancestor then you do get to see the other people on the same page which doesn't seem to have worried anyone so far, but that's the Scottish system, England and Wales are different.
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mutchall - I do get Lost Cousins newsletter so I knew the pdfs were going to be available again, but didn't realise it would be so soon after the newsletter.
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mutchall - if it's like the last time you can't download whole pages, just the certificate you want.
On Scotlandspeople if you download a cert of an ancestor then you do get to see the other people on the same page which doesn't seem to have worried anyone so far, but that's the Scottish system, England and Wales are different.
Since they've quoted a four to five day wait for delivery, then the system would be similar to last time. I was just wondering whether anyone is able to say if the GRO are willing to change their minds and have it operate more like the scotlandspeople system when the PDF method becomes permanent.
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If you read the frequently asked questions regarding the pdf release they explain that they have no intentions to copy the Scottish format but you can provide feedback on their service.
Regards panda
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Does any have any inside info whether the certificates would be reduced in price if the online delivery method became permanent?
Also wouldn't just allowing users to download whole pages (at least within the current date limits to comply with the data protection act) be much more efficient and profitable as it would require no or little further effort on the part of GRO employees?
The price is regulated by law not by the whims of the GRO see:
S.I. 2016 No. 980
Registration of Births, Deaths & Marriages, Etc.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kvw/
This does allow one to request a PDF copy of a register entry from the Registrar General on payment of £6 (£8 for marriages)for the standard service or £45 for the “expedited service” i.e. within 3 hours.
I have not tried to see whether the GRO/IPS will honour such a service for marriages at present, or whether they will claim there is no requirement for them to do so.
It may be interesting to try.
Cheers
Guy
PS IPS = Identity and Passport Service
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Does any have any inside info whether the certificates would be reduced in price if the online delivery method became permanent?
I think it is more likely that the price of paper certificates will increase if the pdf pilot becomes permanent. The current price hasn't changed for 7 or 8 years - but as as Guy mentions, that is something that would require a change by legislation, not just GRO choosing.
As far as notice goes .... I understand it was designed to be a "soft launch" to avoid a sudden impact on GRO staff and resources (as happened when the start of the 1st trial was known in advance).
The fact it was to begin in October (but not the exact date) was widely known, and publicised on a number of genealogy sites and newsletters.
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Does any have any inside info whether the certificates would be reduced in price if the online delivery method became permanent?
Also wouldn't just allowing users to download whole pages (at least within the current date limits to comply with the data protection act) be much more efficient and profitable as it would require no or little further effort on the part of GRO employees?
The price is regulated by law not by the whims of the GRO see:
S.I. 2016 No. 980
Registration of Births, Deaths & Marriages, Etc.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kvw/
This does allow one to request a PDF copy of a register entry from the Registrar General on payment of £6 (£8 for marriages)for the standard service or £45 for the “expedited service” i.e. within 3 hours.
I have not tried to see whether the GRO/IPS will honour such a service for marriages at present, or whether they will claim there is no requirement for them to do so.
It may be interesting to try.
Cheers
Guy
PS IPS = Identity and Passport Service
by Statutory Instrument, which isn't too hard to change.
"The fee for a request made for a copy of a record (in portable document format) which is
held in a digital format is"
The line suggests that it would rule out marriages, until they've been digitalised, but should include the Birth registers that were ditigalised up-to 1934.
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I got out my list and entered up details for first one then could not proceed as no option/tick box for the trial PDF service. Pity about the price... I would order more if more reasonable and then they would probably get more loot out me :)
Irish records of certs are available online for free 1864 onwards to certain dates in 20th c... not all scanned but many and you get to see the whole page including other entries. Some compensation for paucity of Irish census records.
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I got out my list and entered up details for first one then could not proceed as no option/tick box for the trial PDF service. Pity about the price... I would order more if more reasonable and then they would probably get more loot out me.
When you bring up the details of the certificate you want from the GRO’s Index it gives you the options to order either PDF or Certificate.
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by Statutory Instrument, which isn't too hard to change.
"The fee for a request made for a copy of a record (in portable document format) which is
held in a digital format is"
The line suggests that it would rule out marriages, until they've been digitalised, but should include the Birth registers that were ditigalised up-to 1934.
Did you not carry on reading?
(2) The fee for a request made for a copy of a record (in portable document format) which is
held in any other format is—
(a) £8.00 for a record provided by standard service, or
(b) £45.00 for a record provided by expedited service.
This explicitly means paper records and is what phase three of the earlier pilot runs covered and charged.
I would also suggest the S.I. provides for the newer digital marriage registers and the convert civil partnerships records are also covered by the S.I.
By using a bit of creative thought one could even order a PDF copy of a marriage on the www.gov.uk site, but I do not want to disclose the deatails at present as it could disrupt the current pilot.
Cheers
Guy
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Still a bit confused... I thought the trial PDF version was at price of £6 but now I realise that a marriage is £8 and that was the first one I entered. I think the options for payment of different versions could be clearer.
Thank you for speedy response!
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Applications for each PDF cost £6, must be made online, and include a GRO index reference.
England and Wales records which are available as PDFs in this extended pilot include:
Births: 1837 –1916
Deaths: 1837 –1957
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Still a bit confused... I thought the trial PDF version was at price of £6 but now I realise that a marriage is £8 and that was the first one I entered. I think the options for payment of different versions could be clearer.
Thank you for speedy response!
The £8 option for marriages was tested in an earlier trial that covered records that have not been digitised already (so they had to scan each one as it was ordered).
Those non-digitised records are not included in this pilot, which only covers the birth/death records between the years stated above. The option to order as a £6 pdf will only appear when you choose one of of these entries.
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Irish records of certs are available online for free 1864 onwards to certain dates in 20th c... not all scanned but many and you get to see the whole page including other entries. Some compensation for paucity of Irish census records.
My grandfather had Irish ancestry pre-1870, and I soon ran out of ideas on F-H websites. I was losing hope of tracing his grandparents until I googled for the full name of one of them, and hit a graveyard website with full colour photos. Their transcription had several inaccuracies, but as there were several names the identity was certain, and I could check against images of the register. Job done - now I need to go back one more generation ...
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My mistake, I did not realise marriage certs were excluded from the new trial. I ordered up some death certs and all straightforward.
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I had a couple of marriage pdfs (late 1860s) from the first trial ....
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A few people have posted along these lines
Also wouldn't just allowing users to download whole pages (at least within the current date limits to comply with the data protection act) be much more efficient and profitable as it would require no or little further effort on the part of GRO employees?
as per Scotland & Ireland (Republic of). Note: GRONI or Northern Ireland only supplies digital images of the individual entry just like England & Wales.
I agree but am guessing the problem is the law as per the Statutory Instrument Guy posted a link to which states "The Registrar General may, on request, search the Registrar General’s certified copies of
entries in the birth/death register and provide a record of the information contained in a birth/death entry in those copies, in portable document format.
If they supplied the entire page they would be including details of people other than the ones requested/ordered by us. Supplying the whole page would be easier and cheaper as currently the column descripters on the page have to be spliced to the individual row entry for the pdf to eliminate the other persons or 9 rows of entries.
More careful wording of the law or SI when it was passed might have allowed the entire page, it would be interesting to see how Scotland worded it.
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Just logged in on the off chance to see how far my order is processing. Due date 18/10 but they are ready to view. Have downloaded and saved. Still no emails so I would advise you all to log in and check you might be lucky.
Regards panda
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Yay, mine are there too, thanks Panda. I did look for progress yesterday. No emails yet.
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It’s like Christmas come early. Something only a genealogist would appreciate.
Panda
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And a mystery deepens from what I expected to be a standard death cert of a 7 year old 🤔
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Yes, my order (a death cert) is there too, ordered on Thursday afternoon, though no email.
Of course it does raise more questions, than it answers . . . :)
Lisa
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Just logged in on the off chance to see how far my order is processing. Due date 18/10 but they are ready to view. Have downloaded and saved. Still no emails so I would advise you all to log in and check you might be lucky.
Regards panda
Thank you panda. Mine are there too. Two death certificates which solve the mysteries of the deaths of a Great Grandmother and 4x Great Grandfather.
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Yes, my order (a death cert) is there too, ordered on Thursday afternoon, though no email.
Of course it does raise more questions, than it answers . . . :)
isn't that half the fun?
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Thanks for the steer, panda. Found mine waiting for me [sad news a 5 month old dying of smallpox] which solved a mystery - his 2 forenames were reversed from his birth certificate ::)
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Thanks..
Just found mine too. That was fast :) :).
RK
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I can't check mine because you need a COL number and the last few times I've ordered Paper and PDF records I've not had an acknowledgement from GRO, only the acknowledgment from WorldPay that I've paid.
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You should be able to check without the COL number - have you tried using the date boxes instead?
For the acknowledgements, I find I only receive them if I click the 'return to GRO' button after making payment.
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Out of interest, has anyone had an email from GRO saying they are ready to view and download? Ordered more yesterday and it still says we should get one! 🤔
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You should be able to check without the COL number - have you tried using the date boxes instead?
For the acknowledgements, I find I only receive them if I click the 'return to GRO' button after making payment.
I'll try that. Thanks about the tip about 'return to GRO' I used to click on that but recently haven't bothered, so that's probably where I'm going wrong.
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Jomot - Well that worked many thanks. Not only that a message came up saying the site would be out of action today from 8am to 9.30am for maintenance but I tried it anyway and it worked, so they must have finished the maintenance early.
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I had an email to say they couldn’t find the certificate I had ordered. Silly me I put the wrong quarter on it. It’s a shame they couldn’t put two and two together and realised that I ordered a birth and death of the same child. So I’m reordering it later on today.
Regards panda
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Out of interest, has anyone had an email from GRO saying they are ready to view and download? Ordered more yesterday and it still says we should get one! 🤔
I've just had emails to say my pdfs are now ready to view - i downloaded them on Monday ;D
Maybe that was the maintenance they did this morning! The emails include a link to a survey (also available in Welsh).
Edited to add: the survey asks some interesting questions about what we'd like to see in future ;D
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I had an email to say they couldn’t find the certificate I had ordered. Silly me I put the wrong quarter on it. It’s a shame they couldn’t put two and two together and realised that I ordered a birth and death of the same child. So I’m reordering it later on today.
Regards panda
It could be that one section deals with births, another marriages and a third deaths. :-\
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I've just received an email about a PDF I ordered on 15 October. I'd already opened it though thanks to Jomot advising me that I didn't need a COL number.
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I have just received emails for my PDF's both births & deaths due tomorrow, all now downloaded and saved ;D ;D
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Ordered two death certs in PDF format on 17th October and have an expected date of 25th October. Is it 5 working days that they're supposed to take?
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5 working days if order submitted before 4pm
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I ordered mine on a Monday (16th) with due date Friday (20th) they arrived the day before.
There is this on their website-
Q23. Will I receive a refund if a PDF order is despatched late?
No. Whilst we endeavour to process applications within target, this is only a service aim.
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Wondered why Marriages have been excluded?
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Wondered why Marriages have been excluded?
A posting I made elsewhere in 2015 may answer your question. –
“Back in the mists of time (2002) it was deemed that the GRO undertake a modernisation project for the BMD records.
That project was divided into three sections
DoVE (Digitisation of Vital Events)
EAGLE (Electronic Access to GRO Legacy Events)
MAGPIE (MultiAccess to GRO Public Index of Events)
These were later replaced by DIP (Digitisation and Indexing Project)
DoVE proceeded a pace but unfortunately the contractor pulled out before the project was complete. The digitisation only covered births 1836-1934 & deaths 1836-1957. No marriages were digitised.
EAGLE is used to access and supply the public with printed scans of entries for the above years of births & deaths.
Any certificates outside the above dates and requests for marriages are supplied by either printed microfilm copies or computer “typed” transcripts of the entries.
The egg containing MAGPIE never hatched (perhaps it was infertile) and was discarded.
DIP is a very secretive bird that is only occasionally spotted, nobody knows of its habits.
I can report that it was seen motionless in September 2008 (experts said it was paused) but later reports said its work was partially completed in August 2010 and has since been abandoned.
The official line is
“Digitisation and indexing of civil registration records in England and Wales was partially completed by 2010. Completing the process would require significant investment and there are no current plans to resume this work. HM Passport Office will continue to monitor the scope for future opportunities to digitise all birth, death and marriage records.”
Cheers
Guy
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thanks Guy
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Then again when I ordered a PDF certificate when they came back on line last week, I was given the chance to complete a survey (I guess other people did too). One of the questions related to marriage certs asking whether I'd be interested in being able to buy PDF copies of them too. So perhaps GRO are thinking about this.
For marriages in many parts of the country you can view and download if you wish to, details of marriages. I've downloaded dozens of Lincolnshire, Suffolk, Norfolk and West Riding of Yorkshire, now, thanks to Findmypast East Riding of Yorkshire records are also available.
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Then again when I ordered a PDF certificate when they came back on line last week, I was given the chance to complete a survey (I guess other people did too). One of the questions related to marriage certs asking whether I'd be interested in being able to buy PDF copies of them too. So perhaps GRO are thinking about this.
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Well perhaps Lizzie but I would not pin too many hopes on it
On 07 September 2008 about the time the General Register Office (GRO) joined with HM Passport Office I wrote the following -
“In 100 years the Government will have finally cobbled together the measures proposed in the January 2002 White Paper ‘Civil Registration : Delivering Vital Change’. This will include ‘through life records’ making family history research as easy as switching on a computer, or possibly recalling from the digital memory embedded in our brains.
In the not too distant future, say in ten to twenty year the old birds (Dove, Eagle & Magpie) will stagger into the air.
However some changes are in the pipeline (as previously posted elsewhere)
DoVE Digitisation of Vital Events
Will be renamed
OLDE DoVE Only Limited Deposits Emulating Digitisation of Vital Events
EAGLE Electronic Access to GRO Legacy Events
Will be renamed
BALD EAGLE Badly Accessed Limited Design Electronic Access to GRO Legacy Events
MAGPIE MultiAccess to GRO Public Index of Events
Will be renamed
LONE MAGPIE Lost Operations Negative Endurance MultiAccess to GRO Public Index of Events
On 23 Nov 2009 I added the following-
The above failed to mention the new initiative the Digitisation and Indexing Project or DIP for short.
DIP of course really stands for Definitely Impractical Proposition.
Should I be more optimistic?”
Cheers
Guy
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Should I be more optimistic?”
Probably not, but I'll be optimistic on your behalf ::)
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I ordered a PDF on 18th October says it will be delivered on 24th Oct. I keep having a look at 'my orders' to see if it's in yet using the COL number given but nothing yet.
I know still got a day to go but impatient to see result!
Have most people had to wait longer that given date or have they arrived ontime or earlier?
If it doesn't arrive would you suggest giving them a call?
Thanks in advance for any answers to my queries.
Caroline
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I ordered one on 17th & due date was 23rd, and it arrived exactly on time.
I too was impatient & checked 'my orders' constantly ;D
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Have most people had to wait longer that given date or have they arrived ontime or earlier?
Mine arrived one day earlier than the date given
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Impression I got from here plus my own experience was that the first batch arrived early but that might be because of the lack of a launch fanfare
If it doesn't arrive would you suggest giving them a call?
No.
Other more proactive people may differ :)
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Thanks all for comments - hoping I get mine today, this waiting driving me mad!
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Hope so too, especially as I have one due tomorrow :)
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I've just ordered the first of several PDFs from my 'wish list'. Here in Australia it's taken up to six weeks to receive a paper copy (probably not GRO's fault) so a 4-5 day service for less money suits me just fine.
The above arrived two days before the estimated date. I did a happy dance which startled the neighbours but I didn't care. Three cheers for whoever invented email ;D ;D ;D
Carol
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This may have been asked before so apologies if it has.
With these PDF certificates what do you actually get i.e.
I) A PDF of a proper certificate with all the details on it. or
II) A PDF just listing the details but without the layout and borders of a proper certificate.
Thank you.
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Your option two ...sort of
You get an image of the GRO copy of the register entry, as a pdf file .... so the same image you would have got printed onto the middle of a paper certificate ...just without the coloured paper and all the legal wording around it.
Gives you exactly the same information as a certificate would.
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Your option two ...sort of
You get an image of the GRO copy of the register entry, as a pdf file .... so what you would have got on the middle part of a paper certificate without the legal wording around it.
Gives you exactly the same information as a certificate would.
Thank you.
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My first PDF appeared after 4 days 3 days ahead of dispatch date. Those 4 days included a weekend so I was impressed by the quickness of it. One of the advantages of the PDF images are not only do you get the entry image you get the original register page headings. They do it the same way as the Irish provided 'photocopy' versions of bmd for 4 Euros they take the heading extract and the entry extract and join them together so they are more or less aligned so you can see clearly the individual heading for each column of the entry.
Blue
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Mine arrived - ordered two likely candidates in an attempt to solve a mystery. It hasn't - I give up :( ::)
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Got my PDF at lunch time today ordered on 18th Oct, so considering there's a w/e in between pleased it's so quick!
Great confirmation of my 2x gt grandmothers death giving up further details of relative who was there and an address.
All in all 'a right result!'
Going to get more ordered
Caroline
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Going to get more ordered
It's too easy isn't it? I'm researching 1st cousins 3 times removed ::) and I've found a couple who possibly died in childbirth and then I found another family where 2 of the sisters died in the same quarter of the same year (as twentysomethings so not babies). Question is, do I spend money getting PDFs for such distant ancestors to satisfy my curiosity?
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I don't bother with distant relatives only direct ancestors and the occasional sibling such as lost sheep or strays that moved to another place and have a question mark over what happened to them.
Blue
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Blue - I'm doing it because I'm stuck on one direct branch - one of my g.grandfathers - so if I only did the direct ancestors I'd have finished the rest of the tree years ago.
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Got my PDF at lunch time today ordered on 18th Oct
Got my PDF mail at lunchtime today ordered on 19th
1/ Wonder if lunchtime is going to be the standard email send time
2/ Email system seems to be working so no need to continuously check to see whether it's there yet.
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Got my PDF at lunch time today ordered on 18th Oct
Got my PDF mail at lunchtime today ordered on 19th
1/ Wonder if lunchtime is going to be the standard email send time
2/ Email system seems to be working so no need to continuously check to see whether it's there yet.
I received the email notification yesterday at 10.23am, it was the date the pdf was 'due' to be ready. (birth cert)
So it wasn't early like the first one I ordered. That was in the account days before the email was sent. (death cert)
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Going to get more ordered
It's too easy isn't it? I'm researching 1st cousins 3 times removed ::) and I've found a couple who possibly died in childbirth and then I found another family where 2 of the sisters died in the same quarter of the same year (as twentysomethings so not babies). Question is, do I spend money getting PDFs for such distant ancestors to satisfy my curiosity?
Why not? :)
I sometimes order certificates of distant people because something about the person or the situation intrigues me.
I have occasionally ordered a certificate for a non-relative where that person has crossed paths with someone I'm interested in and I wanted to know a bit more.
Lisa
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Lisalisa - the only why not is because I spend far too much on certs/PDF certs, I've 100s of them, although about 20 I got at half price from a distant relative in USA who had finished with them and they were my mum's siblings certs.
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This may have been asked before so apologies if it has.
With these PDF certificates what do you actually get i.e.
I) A PDF of a proper certificate with all the details on it. or
II) A PDF just listing the details but without the layout and borders of a proper certificate.
Thank you.
See
http://anguline.co.uk/cert/uncertified.html
Cheers
Guy
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Got my latest one on the expected day with the e-mail telling me it was ready received same day. I've managed to locate deaths where the informants gave ages at death that were years out so it made it more difficult to find them in the death indexes. Using recently made available online cemetery records I was able to eliminate candidates that were clearly wrong and went with possibles despite the ages being way out. Success at last.
Blue
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I had estimated despatch of 24 th.Emailed them on 27 th as I've not heard.Nearly checked the the order history but did n't bother as not received link so am now gonna try after reading some of these comments.
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Hi, Someone asked what did you actually get.
i ordered two about 3 weeks ago ; arrived on the Gro sited for down load AOK.
they are a copy of the full details of the records.
they are a photocopy of the original - warts and all so dates names birth place or death place and parents et.
Essnell
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Hi, Someone asked what did you actually get.
i ordered two about 3 weeks ago ; arrived on the Gro sited for down load AOK.
they are a copy of the full details of the records.
they are a photocopy of the original - warts and all so dates names birth place or death place and parents et.
To clarify for anyone who does not know (I didn't learn this until I'd been researching for some time):
They are not photocopies of the original documents, which were retained by the local Register Office.
They are photocopies of transcripts sent to the GRO at the time.
So GRO certs do not have the actual signatures of the parties.
And they may contain transcription errors.
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Hi, Someone asked what did you actually get.
i ordered two about 3 weeks ago ; arrived on the Gro sited for down load AOK.
they are a copy of the full details of the records.
they are a photocopy of the original - warts and all so dates names birth place or death place and parents et.
To clarify for anyone who does not know (I didn't learn this until I'd been researching for some time):
They are not photocopies of the original documents, which were retained by the local Register Office.
They are photocopies of transcripts sent to the GRO at the time.
So GRO certs do not have the actual signatures of the parties.
And they may contain transcription errors.
To be pedantic they are not photocopies of anything they are digital copies (scans) of microfilm copies of the transcripts. ;)
Cheers
Guy