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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: Mowsehowse on Thursday 19 October 17 08:21 BST (UK)
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I would like to discover parents, birth and death registration for this elusive chap and will be grateful if the marvellous Rootschatters can sort it out for me.
What I know:
1861: William is ABS (Able Sea man?? :-\ ) aboard the "Four Brothers". He is listed as unmarried, Brixham born and aged 22 years.
1870: January 3rd he states he is a Widower and 30 years old when he marries Susan Ann Crocker at All Saints Church in Brixham.
1871: He is Head of household at Greens Court, Brixham, aged 32 living with Susan and her Crocker children. This could suggest William's birthday is after January 3rd and before 2nd April.
1881: William is Master of the "Providential" at Dartmouth and one of the hands is Samuel T Crocker so I am confident this is the correct Jackman. He is married and Brixham born, but states his age is 32.
1891: Susan Ann Jackman at 27 Bolton Street Brixham, is listed as a Widow.
Please note I have done an in depth investigation into the life of Susan Ann + her 9 children, including a son named William Henry Jackman born 1872 at Brixham. There are masses of Jackmans in Brixham and there is a death registered in the March 1/4 of 1891 at Plymouth for a William Henry Jackman aged 59, but having googled, I believe this to be a different individual.
Perhaps someone can untangle this?
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There are 2 births in 1839 Devon - have you ruled them both out?
This one is the correct district for Brixham
Jun 1839 Totnes
A family tree has his mother as Nancy but gives a birth year 57 years before his so unlikely!
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1841 Brixham has a William age 2 with Catherine Jackman age 30
Mothers maiden name for the one born Totnes district is Atkinson
Marriage Dec 1841 Totnes
Catherine Jackman
4 possible grooms
that's if Catherine was his mother and she was widowed
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A potential marriage (from FreeBMD):
June qtr 1866
Newton Abbott Registration District vol 5b, page 237
Jackman, William H
+ and, on the same page +
Ganniclifft, Jane
Shooter, Sarah
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Nope forget my theory about Catherine - 1851 Brixham ties in with the 1841
Henry Jackman 45
Katherine 40
W Henry 11
Louisa 7
Louisa also has mothers maiden name Atkinson so definitely the same family but is it the right one
Do we have a fathers name from his marriage(s)?
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The 1870 marriage states that his father was Henry, a mariner. The 1851 census for Brixham shows a Henry 45 Mariner born Dittisham, wife Katherine 46, laundress born Brixham, son W. Henry aged 11, fisher boy born Brixham, dau Louisa, 7, scholar born Brixham all living at Rea Hill, Brixham HO7/1873 folio 248 page 16. A William Henry was baptised 25 Jan 1835 (Brixham All Saints) but he must have died young as they then baptised a second WH 14 April 1839.
A burial took place at Brixham 20 Mar 1893 for a William Henry of Lower Brixham aged 60 - sudden death while working in the field. However, I suspect this may be the WH who was shown in 1841 aged 8 and son of Thomas & Sarah. It could be that he died at sea.
A Susannah's burial is recorded 19 Oct 1909 of Lower Brixham aged 81 - but again she could be one of the other Susannah's in the village.
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Searching deaths at sea index comes up with
W H Jackman born 1839 death 1885 vessel Excelsior
I don't have a subscription to see the details but hopefully someone can look for you as the dates fit rather well.
Doing a search for Excelsior brings up a wreck report from 1885
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The death at sea says the Excelsior was from Brixham and death was 15 Nov 1885.
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Report seems to indicate the Excelsior collided with a French vessel which sank but doesn't mention any loss of life from the E.
There may well be other reports about the incident.
However the investigation was September 1885 and the incident July so unless he was injured and died later doesn't quite fit. But it's a good start.
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This is a brilliant response. Many thanks to all.
Susan Jackman died in January 1918 and was buried at St Mary's with her first husband Samuel Crocker who drowned in the storm of 1866.
An extensive report of the wreck of the steamship Excelsior here:
http://www.plimsoll.org/resources/SCCLibraries/WreckReports/14950.asp
The Excelsior that collided with the French vessel was owned by the port of Cardiff so if this is the correct Excelsior, the steam ship carried a crew of 20 and it is possible that Wm H Jackman may have joined the ship on a voyage after the enquiry, but he was really a fisherman so is it surprising to find he had become crew on a steam ship? There was a Brixham cutter "Excelsior" BM54 launched in 1888, so that shouldn't be it. (Also "Excelsior" BM89 which was launched 1910.)
Re parents: there is a William Henry Jackman listed in Brixham who was with Ag Labs, but I think the Bap: 14 April 1839 with Henry (fisherman) and Katherine is far more likely. Also, tenuously, one of his and Susan's daughters was given a 2nd name Louisa.
First marriage - I have given this June 1/4 Newton Abbot ref some thought, although I can't find a suitable death for Jane, (or Elizabeth as offered by familysearch) there is a death registered for a 23 year old Sarah Jackman reg at Sculcoates in Dec 1/4 1867, :'( and the Brixham fishing fraternity often pop up in the Hull area so that would be quite possible.
Many thanks everyone, I think you have made progress.
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Hi Mowsehouse...he is mentioned here:
http://www.brixhamsailingtrawlers.co.uk/
Edit: Sorry...Jackman was the builder ::)
Carol
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Hi Mowsehouse...he is mentioned here:
http://www.brixhamsailingtrawlers.co.uk/
Edit: Sorry...Jackman was the builder ::) Carol
Thanks for your interest Carol..... my husband is related to the boat builder Jackmans too.
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Oh that's not so bad then...I was about to get my coat ::) ;D ;D ;D
Carol
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Oh that's not so bad then...I was about to get my coat ::) ;D ;D ;D
Carol
;D
And I'm reckoning the Robert J, and Henry J, both being born in Dittisham, Devon, were probably closely related too! That is, I suspect William Henry might have been nephew to the boat builder. :-\
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I have found a reference to a Brixham "Excelsior" built 1873, but have not found the BM number for it as yet.
https://www.shipindex.org/ships/excelsior/page/4
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Name: W. H. Jackman
Gender: Male
Death Date: 15 Nov 1885
Death Place: Merchant Marine, At Sea, Great Britain
Age: 46
Birth Date: 1839
Occupation: Bo'Sn
Why would you need a Bo'Sn on a sailing fishing vessel?
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Traditionally a boat's officers were the master, boatswain, carpenter and cook.
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Traditionally a boat's officers were the master, boatswain, carpenter and cook.
Thanks.....
WHJ had been Master at the time of the 1881 census, so "Bo'Sn" was a retrograde srep.
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Traditionally a boat's officers were the master, boatswain, carpenter and cook.
Thanks.....
WHJ had been Master at the time of the 1881 census, so "Bo'Sn" was a retrograde step.
MODIFY: Turns out it was not just an average fishing trip but a voyage to Newfoundland with a cargo of limestone! :'(
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Henry Jackman, mariner, married Catherine Gibbs Atkinson 31/3/1832 All Saints, Brixham. Besides William Henry b.1839 and Louisa ca.1843 they appear to have 2 earlier children with the same names. As already mentioned, a William Henry bp.25/1/1835 (who must have died 1835-1839) and, I believe, a Louisa bp.1/1/1837 (mothers name transcribed as Caroline??) buried 14/7/1840 Brixham.
Annette
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Henry Jackman, mariner, married Catherine Gibbs Atkinson 31/3/1832 All Saints, Brixham. Besides William Henry b.1839 and Louisa ca.1843 they appear to have 2 earlier children with the same names. As already mentioned, a William Henry bp.25/1/1835 (who must have died 1835-1839) and, I believe, a Louisa bp.1/1/1837 (mothers name transcribed as Caroline??) buried 14/7/1840 Brixham.
Annette
Thank you Annette.
My research centered around Susan Ann, the second wife of Wm H Jackman, bap: 1839, however, you raise an interesting point about his mother's name, which I believe may have been Caroline not Catherine. I have not seen an image of that marriage entry.... don't know how clear it is?
The bap register page for Wm H 1839, is a total mess, though it does give actual birth dates, so I can well imagine mother's name being wrong there, and she is transcribed in at lest one census on familysearch as Caroline, which makes sense to me, given the baptism "Caroline Louisa" of a daughter to Wm & Susan in 1873.
Thank you for your interest.
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So according to some of my mother's research a while ago I Benjamin golding am a relative of the jackmans... this is all so interesting!
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So according to some of my mother's research a while ago I Benjamin golding am a relative of the jackmans... this is all so interesting!
Hello Benjamin, and welcome to Rootschat.
Would you like to say in what way you are a relative of the Jackmans?
I am all agog! :D
When you have made 3 posts you will be able to make private messages (pm), so please do persevere.