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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: tvc on Friday 20 October 17 07:38 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for a marriage in Bradford of a Guiseppi/Joseph Ghio b. 1866 and a Mary/Marie Wilson b. 1870 which, according to their son's birth record in Edinburgh, Scotland in 1907, took place on 8 April 1897 in Bradford, YKS. First child Lizzie Ghio b. 1898 Bradford. I can't find it on FreeBMD, Ancestry or FindMyPast. Guiseppi was Italian, probably RC. I think there were some RC chapels in Bradford but I don't know how to access their records and I read that before 1898, RC marriages had to be recorded as civil marriages, so I would have thought the records would be held centrally somewhere.
Does anyone have any ideas to help me find Guiseppi/Joseph's father's name please?
Many thanks
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As you have already discovered, there doesn't appear to be a marriage registration for Guiseppi and Mary. RC marriages would be Registrar attended, in the same was as any other Non-Conformist or Register office marriage, so would still have been registered.
This is a list of the RC registers held by West Yorkshire Archive Services.
http://www.wyjs.org.uk/media/1574/collection-guide-5-roman-catholic-registers.pdf
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Best fit I can find is this one?
Marriages, June qtr 1897
Bradford, Yorkshire Registration District vol 9b, page 130
Wilson, Mary Ann
+ and, on the same page +
Watson, Joseph
Many foreigners changed their surnames to sound more "English"? ::)
Clutching at straws, I know - but I can't see anything better?! :-\
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Unfortunately not - Mary Ann Wilson married William Dean, and Joseph Watson married Rose Ann Cross. :'(
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1891 Census - RG12 88, folio 136 page 6
Joseph is said to have been born in Brescia, Northern Italy - transcribed as Porescia.
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Yes, I looked at those entries with longing but concluded they weren't correct. I see there are 4 RC chapels in Bradford. As I have a specific date, it shouldn't be difficult to check those chapels at WYAS I imagine but I don't live anywhere near any of their offices.
Joseph is supposed to have come from Brescia, Italy. FamilySearch does have some records from Brescia but currently can't see any Ghio's born around 1866ish - the entries which are indexed are generally from later - 1880s I think.
Thank you anyway.
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This may also be of interest in relation to Brescia.
http://www.italianside.com/lombardia/brescia/brescia/genealogy/
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I've got him and his family in 1891 in Fulham, 1901 in London and 1911 in Edinburgh, Scotland. Marriage supposedly 1897 in Bradford. Death in 1924 in Lambeth. Also some of family in 1939 with name change. It's the marriage that I really want to find to get his father's name.
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Unfortunately, YorkshireBMD has yet to index any marriages at Bradford :-\
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I know you want to find his marriage - but there is no evidence, other than the birth registration of his daughter in Scotland, that a marriage in England and Wales took place.
The only other thing I can think of, is that you contact the Bradford Register Office. I don't know how helpful they are, but you do have a date and the names of the parties. You never know, you might be lucky. :-\
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Yes, I agree. They may not have been married at all.
Thanks anyway
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I have checked the printed indices from the GRO, but there is no indication that the entry has been omitted from the FreeBMD transcriptions of the printed indices However, as I suggested, perhaps you could try Bradford Register Office - there is a very slight possibility that an omission took place somewhere along the line between Bradford and the GRO.
If you don't ask the question, you won't get an answer ;) ;)
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Hello
Looking generally in the Newspapaper Archive with "Ghio", names came back with M'Ghio. Not unusual to drop the Mc or Mac off, shame, but people did it. Couldn't check further as my BNA registration stopped yesterday.
Also search Ghie. One was a snippet view advert for a M'Ghio in a Bradford paper?
All the best, Mark
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M. S. is Maiden Surname.
One or more Scottish children sometimes carried their ancestor nee / M. S. surname as a middle name.
Mark
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Roman Catholics in Yorkshire held onto some of their old Registers at the Church itself and just discovered that some are still not even transcribed, nor even filmed / fiched.
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If you are still stuck, have Marriage date and place name the local Registrar should be able to help, with providing a Copy Certificate?
Mark
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Thank you all - lots of really useful information. A little update from the family is that apparently, there was a family rumour that they weren't married at all! So I've reigned back on the determination to find it now. Kind regards.
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Hi
The nearest Town Hall at Brescia, Library or Regional Archive, worth a try?
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Italy_Civil_Registration#Births_.5Bnati.2Fnascite.5D
We attended a French Wedding about 35 years ago near the Italian border, the Town Mayor married them first at the Town Hall (Civil part) and if any religious ceremony was conducted, it was afterward and held elsewhere.
Mark