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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Anydogsbody on Saturday 21 October 17 12:39 BST (UK)
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I think Isaac is an ancestor. He gives his place of birth in census information as Bradley, which I presume is the Bradley nr Keighley. What registration district is Bradley in (or would it have been in if such a thing had existed in 1807)? There is another contender, an Isaac Cliff who was born in Huddersfield. I am presuming that a birth in Bradley would be associated with Bradford rather than Huddersfield.
Anybody got any thoughts?
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The Isaac Cliff born Huddersfield was the son of Joshua and Sarah of Colne Bridge, Kirk Heaton. He was baptised at the Weslyan Methodist Chapel in Huddersfield.
The Isaac Cliff born Bradford 1807 and baptised 1808 had a father illiam. Abode given as Lower Horton.
Can't find an Isaac born Bradley.
Emeltom
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He's on the 1851 census with the whole family but, just to confuse things, the census enumerator or the person transcribing the record has listed the family as Clipp not Cliff(e)
I initially thought the Huddersfield Isaac was mine but now I'm unsure. My Isaac was definitely born in Bradley and I can't see that being recorded as a Huddersfield birth.
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this really is confusing
from parish records marriage
Huddersfield 18 July 1836
Isaac Cliffe of Bradley in this Parish
m Sarah Cliffe of Bradley aforesaid
witnesses benjm Fitchcliffe? & Francis Sangley (or could be Langley
a Cliffe marrying a Cliffe
then there are these baptisms
Huddersfield
Isaac Cliff born 14 April 1807
baptised 7 Dec 1807
father Isaac Cliff
I am assuming your Isaac was the one 0cc Waterman married to Hannah in Holbeck in 1841
more baptisms to follow
Suz
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Have you got a link to that parish record because I haven't seen that one. Cliffe marrying Cliffe!!??? Might explain my webbed toes and maniacal laugh. I have to assume that it is coincidence or they are cousins sufficiently separated so as not cause any issues about consanguinity.
So, Huddersfield wedding and Isaac described as being of "Bradley, in this parish". Is there another, Huddersfield, Bradley other than the one near Keighley? Surely that, Keighley, Bradley can't be in the Huddersfield parish, it's miles away.
I think that Isaac, son of Isaac, sadly died in 1822 at the age of 15.
Keep digging, I'm always intrigued by, and grateful for, how effective Rootschat contributors are in finding stuff.
Yes, Isaac was married to Hannah(Bray)(so where does Sarah, above, fit in?). They may appear as Clipp rather than Cliff. Cliffe is frequently found without the "e" which search engines should take account of but don't so it's safest to search on both spellings
PS Just done a search on Bradley, Huddersfield and discovered it is, indeed, in that parish and is quite different from the Keighley Bradley. It's absolutely "Ground Zero" for my lot. Makes the Huddersfield records more credible.
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From Genuki - Yorkshire.
And this map
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=15&lat=53.6764&lon=-1.7476&layers=171&right=BingHyb
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Thanks BumbleB, that confirms it.
I have an 1828 wedding between Isaac Cliffe and Hannah Bray and I have no real doubt that is correct. That was at Leeds, St Peter. Don't know where the other, Huddersfield, Cliffe/Cliffe wedding between Isaac and Sarah fits in
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Looking at the maps which BumbleB gave the link to, I see that Colne Bridge is only just "over the road" from Bradley. The Isaac baptised at the Weslyan Methodist Chapel in Huddersfield had the abode Colne Bridge although the image did also say Kirk Heaton.
Emeltom
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Just Checked and Bradley is 3 miles north of Huddersfield whilst Colne Bridge is 4 miles northeast.
I think your Issac is the nonconformist baptism in Huddersfield, parents Joshua and Sarah.
Emeltom
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Yes, thanks. This is all confirming what I thought to be right but then had doubts about. Joshua(father of Isaac) was the son of another Joshua. I get problems with the earlier Joshua because other researchers who have a common interest in this tree have decided that Joshuas father was Thomas Cliffe 1713( I can't find any documentary support for that) whereas I do have a record for Joshua being the son of John Cliffe 1720 which makes more sense but conflicts with everyone else
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Yes, thanks. This is all confirming what I thought to be right but then had doubts about. Joshua(father of Isaac) was the son of another Joshua. I get problems with the earlier Joshua because other researchers who have a common interest in this tree have decided that Joshuas father was Thomas Cliffe 1713( I can't find any documentary support for that) whereas I do have a record for Joshua being the son of John Cliffe 1720 which makes more sense but conflicts with everyone else
I think you've summed it up - other people have submitted unsubstantiated evidence, whilst you DO have documentary evidence. I know which one I'd choose ;D However, always bear in mind the other information. ;)
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Agreed, you have to go where the evidence takes you but it is a bit unsettling that nobody else agrees. One of the problems with online access to public family trees is that errors are circulated rapidly. If repeated often enough the fallacy becomes fact.
In another branch of my tree, the Darlings, I once put a name in as a place keeper just to indicate where I thought there might be a relevant link. That was "Theoretical Darling"and I thought it would be obvious what it was. I subsequently discovered that good old Theoretical had been copied into other trees without question and had acquired a wife and family. The cover story that made it plausible was that apparently he was called Theoretical because he was a minister of religion; clever of his family to know what he was going to become when he was baptised. If you search for him he's probably still out there breeding away. I did try to tell others of their error but they wouldn't have it, even when I said that I had created the name. ::) ???
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My apologies - BUT if you have done your own research and are satisfied with the results then WHY are you questioning it because someone else has something different.
Let them get on with their own theories :)
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There was room for a little dubiety but I think that has now been dispelled.
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Just to give clarity, Distance of abt 1000 yards, Colne bridge road starts at Bradley in the Parish of Huddersfield and runs to across parish boundary to Colne bridge in Kirkheaton parish ~ Therefore Colne bridge abodes can appear in both parish registers of Huddersfield and Kirkheaton
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Thanks, that does give clarity and thank you for taking the trouble to research that.
The major point which has come out of these exchanges is that the the Bradley I was considering previously(near Skipton/Keighley) was the wrong one. I now know that there is a Bradley associated with Huddersfield. That fact, along with your comments about parish boundaries, makes a lot more records relevant.
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I was brought up in Huddersfield so not exactly research ;D, Bradley is a major really big district of Huddersfield, from 2 council estates & private ones, major road junction on the main Leeds road, a golf course, where Colne bridge is no more than a river bridge and a few rows of houses (still is) also an 18th/early 19th century mill that burned down with may lives lost in the 19th century. Further down Leeds road is Cooper bridge where a few parish boundaries meet being Huddersfield, Halifax parish, ( but more Brighouse in Halifax parish) Kirkheaton and Mirfield. Halifax boundary does cause a lot of confusion on its boundary with Huddersfield & Kirkheaton parishes.
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Ah, local knowledge, always best. Don't live in Yorkshire now but used to live in Bramhope,nr Otley, in my teens so I'm broadly familiar with the S. Yorks area.
Thanks for your comments.
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That's ironic really! Last Saturday I needed a couple of new real leather belts after dieting of recent, only place that I knew that sold the best ones, was a stall in Skipton market, I decided to leave the car at home, and bus it to see more views of the dales on the bus. In brief- Huddersfield to Bradford, then on to Keighley, then on to Skipton (Skirted past Bradley other of river Aire ), got my belts, saw a bus for Leeds the X 84 and it came back, through Addingham, Ilkley, Otley, then through Bramhope, to Leeds. Then home on bus (through the other Bradley ) to Huddersfield.
Its was first time I'd been to Skipton in 2 years
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Can just picture that, up the The Chevin, past Old Pool Bank and the Dyneley Arms and on through Bramhope, Adel etc. Lovely view across Wharfedale up to Almscliffe Crag.
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Can just picture that, up the The Chevin, past Old Pool Bank and the Dyneley Arms and on through Bramhope, Adel etc. Lovely view across Wharfedale up to Almscliffe Crag.
Yes I agreed! may do it again before winter !! on a sunny day when it's not chucking it down with rain coming home :(