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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: Romilly on Sunday 22 October 17 10:50 BST (UK)
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I believe that the Parish Records for The Parish of Llangyfelach with St Teilo on the Clase have been digitalised and are searchable on one of the Swansea.gov.uk Sites?
I've searched, and I can't find them... The time frame that I'm interested in is Baptisms 1800 - 1840.
Is anyone on here able to post a Link please? (N.B These records are not available on any of the usual Sites, e.g Family Search/Ancestry/FindMyPast etc).
Cheers, Romilly.
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Hi Romilly,
I like you have heard their records have been digitised and wonder if one or more officers of the church have a copy of, or knowledge of copies of their records?
Have you tried contacting officers of the church?
They have both an old (very old) and a new website, however my preferred search engine only seems able to find the Old Website!!!
Their new website makes no mention of assistance with Family Research although they do have a Contact Us page at: http://www.parishofllangyfelachwithclase.org.uk/contact.html
I wonder if you were to give that page a whirl whether there might be a successful outcome?
JohnG_Swansea.
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Many thanks for your reply JohnG, - I will try that Site tomorrow, and see if I can make any progress.
Best Wishes, Romilly.
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Good Morning Romilly,
Going back to your original post you ask:
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Is anyone on here able to post a Link please? (N.B These records are not available on any of the usual Sites, e.g Family Search/Ancestry/FindMyPast etc).
Cheers, Romilly.
There are two substantial sized cabinets of newspaper archives (microfilm format??) and several cabinets of Ordnance Survey maps on the first floor of the 'Civic Centre Branch' of the library service, open Tuesday through to Sunday see: http://www.swansea.gov.uk/libraries.
Then on the Ground Floor are the Public Reading Rooms of "West Glamorgan Archives" where access to a multitude of paper and electronic records is available, many from nearby shelves and even more by request from where ever the store room is, their Contact Us details are: http://www.swansea.gov.uk/westglamorganarchives
JohnG_Swansea
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Have you tried www.freereg.org.uk?
Example using Jones
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/59eddfe7791e3b7cb88e6118
Regards
Roger
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Have you tried www.freereg.org.uk?
Example using Jones
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/59eddfe7791e3b7cb88e6118
Regards
Roger
Thanks Roger, - yes, I have tried that Site. However, I wonder if the records are complete on it?
I'm looking for my G/G/Grandfather Evan Rees, Born (Approx) 1810, - (Taken from Census entries). I can't find him on there, or on any of the other Sites.
JohnG, I'm in Hertfordshire, and so it's not easy for me to visit the Archives in Swansea.
I had wondered if the Baptismal records might still be with the Church? (I know that to be the case in some parts of the country). And of course it's quite possible that Evan Rees wasn't Baptised in Llangyfelach...Although he gives it as his Parish on his Marriage Record:
Glamorgan Marriage Index pre-1837 Transcription
First name(s) EVAN
Last name REES
Birth year -
Marriage year 1830
Marriage day 20
Marriage month Jul
Marriage place LLANGYFELACH
Spouse's first name(s) ANNE
Spouse's last name WILLIAMS
Bride's parish LLANGYFELACH
Groom's parish LLANGYFELACH
Notes personal detail in the register, after banns, Witnesses named
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Record set Glamorgan Marriage Index pre-1837.
Romilly.
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hi Romily
I have asked on a swansea group I belong to one of the members works in the archives so will let you know if she comes up with anything, if not next week I may be able to visit for you. Fingers crossed
Liz x
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I can find non-conformist records for Llangyfelach,but the Evan Rees(1801) looks too old fr your census estimate.Anne Williams,different chapel but stilll Llangyfelach is given as 1811.
Regards
Roger
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I can find non-conformist records for Llangyfelach,but the Evan Rees(1801) looks too old fr your census estimate.Anne Williams,different chapel but stilll Llangyfelach is given as 1811.
Regards
Roger
Hi Roger,
This is the 1851 Census Entry for Evan Rees:
Country: Wales
Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Llandilo
Piece: 2465
Folio: 299
Page Number: 54
Household schedule number: 196
Household Members:
Evan Rees 40
Anne Rees 39
William Rees 19
Anne Rees 17
Evan Rees 14
Elizabeth Rees 11
David Rees 9
John Rees 6
Thomas Rees 4
Daniel Rees 2.
His age in 1851 is given as 40yrs, and so giving him an (Approx) DOB of 1810/1811. Unless the age on the 1851 is wrongly transcribed? He married Anne Williams, born 1812 at Llangyfelach Parish Church on the 11th April 1830. Anne died on the 11th April 1853.
His son, (also Evan Rees, my GreatGrandfather, 1836 - 1927) was Baptised in the Wesleyan Tabernacle Chapel in Tontine Street Swansea in December 1836, - and so it's quite likely that his father was also a Chapel Baptism, - but I can't see one for him...
Many thanks Liz for the help as well.
Romilly.
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The 1841 "rounded" census gives his age as 25,suggesting,if anything,younger rather than older.
Other possibilities?
Registered in the "anglicised" version?(there is a non-con John Rees,1810,Llangyfelach-I'll see if I can find him in the censuses).
Adult baptism?
"Hiding" in patronymics?
Regards
Roger
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Those are both very valid possibilities Roger...
It does seem curious to marry in a Church of England Church and then Baptise your son in a Weslyan Methodist Chapel 6 yrs later. But he might have been converted and re baptised?
And the John is certainly a possibility that I hadn't considered.
Romilly.
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Unfortunately,I can find quite reasonable candidates,in 1851,for the Evan Rees baptised 1801,and the John Rees baptised 1810.Back to the drawing board..
Regards
Roger
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Bevbee has often helped folks in South Wales with their family history so maybe you could try to contact her too.
Judy
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a marriage in a non-conformist church before civil registration would not have been legal. All marriages had to be in the established church apart from for Quakers & Jews after Hardwicke's Marriage Act. So no problem with marrying in the parish church & then attending the Wesleyan Church.
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a marriage in a non-conformist church before civil registration would not have been legal. All marriages had to be in the established church apart from for Quakers & Jews after Hardwicke's Marriage Act. So no problem with marrying in the parish church & then attending the Wesleyan Church.
Thanks Osprey,
For explaining that. I didn't know that was the case, but it would explain the apparent disparity between the Marriage and Baptism.
Romilly.
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hi romilly
I am at the archives now and have checked the llangyfelach registers , under which St Teilo came but with no luck I went 10 years forward as well as noted there were quite a few baptisms of older children noted down so thought just in case he was one of his families job lot!!! lol
the archives do not seem to have any records of this church so they say it is quite likely the church had not agreed to digitise them until recently, as you say. I would think your best bet is to write to the present vicar and ask if they have been and if so where or can you look for them.
In the past before all these digitised records were about I have written to a few vicars across the country and been very lucky in that they have taken a digital picture of entry for me and forwarded it. Worth a try.
good luck
Liz :)
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Many thanks indeed for looking Liz, - greatly appreciated.
I will try writing to the Vicar, and see if I get any response!
Best Wishes, Romilly.
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I'm not sure this helps particularly,but just in case:
The image for the 1830 record gives both of Morristo(w)n,but FreeReg has nothing for baptism of Evan under Morriston.
BMD registers has a record for Anne Williams,1811,Bethel Calvinistic Chapel,LLangyfelach.While Archer Software has a batch number for this chapel for IGI/Family Search,the record does not come up under it,but probably does appear just under Llangyfelach RG4-3885(the same code as the BMD registers).The records for this Bethel only start in 1811(just missing Evan?)
There are earlier records for a Bethel Independent under Llangyfelach and Llansamlet(RG4-3497),from 1794,but again BMD has a record for 1801 which does not appear in FamilySearch,the only one being 1821.
If I have the correct death record under GRO,it gives a birth of 1810 or 1811.
Perhaps he was born elsewhere and only had the residential qualification to be otp for purposes of marriage.
Regards
Roger
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Many thanks for looking again Roger.
One Baptism that I have seriously considered is this one:
First name(s) EVAN
Last name REES
Birth year 1811
Birth day 9
Birth month Oct
Baptism year 1811
Baptism day 27
Baptism month Oct
Baptism place PYLE & KENFIG
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Lina
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Record set Glamorgan Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
Subcategory Births & baptisms.
Evan Rees' son George Rees named one of his daughter's Lena Rees; which makes me wonder about this one... (Also, if the 'Welsh Naming Pattern' was followed, Evan's Father would have been a William, - as this was the name he gave his eldest son).
Not totally sure of the location of Pyle and Kenfig though, - or if this denotes a Chapel?
Romilly.
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it's a parish record therefore established church. Pyle is to the east of Port Talbot.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/PyleAndKenfig
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Thanks osprey,
Well I suppose it's not that far away, and if you were moving to work as a Copperman, - then Swansea was the main destination?
Romilly.
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not sure he would have been working in copper before living in Swansea area. The copper came in at Swansea docks and the smelting works spread along the river
http://www.swanseamuseum.co.uk/whats-on/past-exhibitions/copperopolis/why-swansea
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According to 'Copperopolis', by Stephen Hughes:
'The first Swansea (Llangyfelach) Copper Works of 1717, situated at Landore, is discussed, (Page 20). It says that workers moved from surrounding areas to work here, notably from Neath, site of the melincryddan copper works.
And so I think it quite likely that some of my Rees ancestors might have moved to Llangyfelach to work in the Copper Works, as generations of them seem to have worked there.
Romilly.
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Did he re-marry in 1861? The certificate might at least name his father.
Regards
Roger
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Did he re-marry in 1861? The certificate might at least name his father.
Regards
Roger
No, - different Evan Rees sadly. I ordered that Marriage Cert and it definitely wasn't my relative who Married Mary Lloyd.(I will look it out again). I had initially thought it was him, because some of the children's names are the same, but different age and occupation for that Evan Rees. This one is 30yrs old, (in 1861) Occupation: Moulder. Father, William Rees, Engineer.
Romilly.
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This is the 1861 Marriage Cert:
And I think this might be his Death Entry:
Name: Evan Rees
Estimated birth year: abt 1812
Registration Year: 1867
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 55
Registration district: Swansea
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 371
Romilly
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Something very strange here.The Evan in the 1861 census with Mary and Lloyd stepchildren is given as aged 50 and with a prior son Daniel,the only one with a father Evan in 1851,it certainly looks like your man!
Regards
Roger
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But that Marriage Cert shows Evan Rees as a 30yr old Batchelor?
Romilly ???