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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: rachael001122 on Sunday 22 October 17 13:34 BST (UK)
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I'm not sure if this is the correct place to post being my first question but here it is...
Hoping to get some advice on searching admission and discharge records for the Lambeth Workhouse/Infirmary.
My great grandmother was a patient there on the 1911 census. I know she was discharged not long later as she got pregnant and had my great great uncle in 1912. Sadly she died within a couple of months of the birth, her death certificate tells me she was back in the infirmary. So there should be at last 2 admission records and 1 or 2 discharge records.
I've found the Lambeth records search on Ancestry but unfortunately the it comes up blank for her. I know she was in there at least twice so how is this so? My next thought is I need to look through the records one by one but that seems ludicrous (one of the records alone has over 900 pages!). Anyone got any advice for me? Thanking you in advance :)
PS: I live in Australia so it will have to be something I can do online :)
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Welcome to RootsChat
I think the records on Ancestry are the Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, not the infirmary.
See http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Lambeth/
Stan
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Oh right. That would explain why she doesn't come up in any search I try. Any idea where I can find the patient records for 1911 & 1912 without physically going to the archives as I'm in Australia?
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There is mention of Lambeth Hospital (as it came to be known) on the National Archives site - but it says that all records are with London Metropolitan Archives.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/4a5e1172-d9b7-4231-9108-3d0abc01d177
London Metrpolitan Archives says:
Over 80 hospitals, many now closed, have deposited their records in London Metropolitan Archives (LMA). The extent of our holdings for each hospital ranges from one volume or document to hundreds of feet of archives.
Some hospital records have not yet been catalogued and can only be made available for consultation by prior appointment at least a week in advance.
Access to Patients Records
Hospital records are subject to a period of restricted access in order to protect the confidentiality of living individuals. It may therefore not be possible for you to consult all the records yourself. We are able to undertake research on behalf of an individual to provide information from hospital records but we do have to ensure that the information is only being released to either the individual concerned or in the case of a third party request that the patient concerned is deceased. We do charge for undertaking such searches within our records.
We suggest that in the first instance you contact the enquiry team who will be able to advise you on how to proceed with your particular enquiry.
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So I would have to go in person?
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Thanks for the info KGarrad! Looks like it's going to be an expensive exercise!
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So I would have to go in person?
Well, someone would
The various classes of Patient Records for Lambeth Hospital are in H01/L/B in the LMA catalogue if you want to have a look.
I can visit In December if you want to provide details
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So I would have to go in person?
I can visit In December if you want to provide details
Oh yes please! That would be amazing! I'm in Australia so obviously can't go myself. Thank you so much.
What info do you need?
This is what I know...
Her name was Eliza Lilian Brown (married name was Beechey but I don't believe they were actually married But on the 1911 census she was in the infirmary and used Beechey).
Her DOB was 18 Oct 1882
I know she was there in 1911 because that's where she was on the census, listed as a patient. I'm not sure when she went in though.
I know she was back there in 1912 as that's where she died as listed on her death certificate (she died 7 April 1912). She did leave though as she got pregnant and had her last son in Feb 1912.
What other info do you need? I can also send you any docs if you need.
Thank you!
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Hi
What other info do you need?
That looks fine, thanks
More as a reminder for me
There are
Creed Registers
Indexes to Admission/Discharge Registers
which should pinpoint actual dates
Then there are
the Admission/Discharge registers themselves
Also
Burial Register
Death Register
Also possible
Patient Case files
Ruled out
Baptism/birth registers start at 1914 so too late
If anyone wants to suggest anything else, please go ahead
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That just triggered something in my memory! (I haven't done any work on my family tree for a couple of years and completely forgot I had emailed the archives looking for info!).
This was the reply with where to look at the archives (much the same as your list but adding it just incase there's anything different)
Index to Admission and Discharge books, 1908 Oct-1912 Feb (ref: H01/L/B/03/001)
Admission and Discharge book, 1912 Oct-1913 Mar (ref: H01/L/B/01/025) and previous volumes
Creed registers (sub-series ref: H01/L/B/05)
Register of Deaths, Infirmary JO, 1909 Jan-1915 Mar (ref: H01/L/B/10/007)
Register of Burials, 1911 Feb-1912 Oct (ref: H01/L/B/11/020)
Register of Burials, 1912 Oct-1913 Dec (ref: H01/L/B/11/021)
Register of patients under treatment, 1910 Jan-1910 Dec (ref: H01/L/B/13/006) and previous volumes
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Excellent!
Saves me looking up the catalogue references :)
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That's good. Any time I can save you is good! I really appreciate your help :)
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So I would have to go in person?
I can visit In December if you want to provide details
Hi StevieSteve,
Just wondering if you got to the Archives in December and if you found anything for me?
Thanks, Rachael
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Hi Rachael
No, I didn't make it as I felt a bit rough.
Will be going in a couple of weeks so will have a look then.
Actually as I feel a bit guilty, will try to get there in the next few days
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Actually as I feel a bit guilty, will try to get there in the next few days
Oh my goodness, there is nothing to feel guilty about! Please don't go there just for me. I am very grateful for you having a look for me but I don't want to put you out. It is absolutely fine to go whenever, please don't do a special trip. Might be easier to email me as I don't check on here very often, it is
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Oh my goodness, there is nothing to feel guilty about!
Well, the feeling rough was pretty self-inflicted :)
You may want to remove your email address to avoid being spammed (and because otherwise the moderators will do it anyways). I've made a note of it
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You may want to remove your email address to avoid being spammed (and because otherwise the moderators will do it anyways). I've made a note of it
Oops! Removed, thanks :)
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You may want to remove your email address...I've made a note of it
Though where I put it, I have no idea
Anyway...
Creed Register H01/L/B/05/020
12 Mar 1911 Beachey, Eliza Lilian
Age 30
From 31 Old Paradise Street
Referred: Self
C of E
Married - Husband William, same address
Calling: None
Discharged 11 Apr 1911 Own Request
17 Mar 1912 Beechey, Eliza Lilian
Age 30
From 31 Old Paradise Street
Referred: Sister Charlotte Brown
C of E
Married - Husband William, same address
Calling: Factoryhand
Discharged 7 Apr 1912 Died
Register of Deaths H01/L/B/10/007
7 Apr 1912 9:40pm
Beechey, Eliza Lilian, 30
Factory Hand
Admitted: 17 Mar 1912
Cause: Pneumococeal Peritonitis, Pneumonia
Index to Admission & Discharge Registers H01/L/B/03/001-002
Contained No extra information
Still to look at the actual A & D Registers and the Burial book
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That's brilliant, thanks Steve! I've sent you a PM with my email address :)
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Hello,
My 3 x Great Grandmother Frances Elliott died in the Lambeth Workhouse Infirmary on 14 Dec 1875. I would like to know how I can go about obtaining her admission records? I believe she must have entered the workhouse between 1871 and 1875 as she last appears on the 1871 census working as a charwoman in Lambeth.
Her date of birth is 6 Aug 1803 in South Shields.
Any information that I can obtain about her would be greatly appreciated.
Regards
Sherilla
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Unfortunately, I think the records have only been retained from 1877
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Religious creed register has Frances Elliott, age 73, admitted to the Princes Road workhouse, 20 April 1875
Two images
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C39L-61T
Very brief note about Frances in their rough exam books
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1557/images/31952_a013175-00342
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So very grateful for what you have found, you are amazing, I search and search and find nothing then I post a question on Roots Chat and get an answer almost immediately.
Thank you
Sherilla