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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Kath77 on Saturday 28 October 17 21:29 BST (UK)
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My grandfather's uncle, aunt and cousins emigrated to New Zealand in the 1920s. They departed from Southampton on Sep 25th 1924 on the Remeura and arrived in Wellington. I'd love to know what happened to them after they arrived as I don't believe they returned to the UK.
Sidney William Dean (b.23 Aug 1869, an architect)
Nellie Dean (b.1872 nee Wilkinson)
Kathleen Peggy Dean (b.15 Jul 1909)
Joan Margery Dean (b.8 Jul 1911)
They also had an older daughter, Dorothy Mabel Dean, who had previously moved to New Zealand (1914) with her husband Lionel Edwin Austin Rolph (b.1892, a farmer), and I believe he lost his life in WW1.
Does anyone have a connection to these people? Or could anyone point me in the right direction please?
Many thanks,
Katherine :)
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Sidney William Dean appears in the electoral rolls in the Lyttleton area, Christchurch from 1919 until 1949
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kyp/
He died:
1953/28460 Dean Sidney William 84Y
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kyq/
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Ah, thank you, yes that date / age does look like it could fit with his birthdate. I will have to investigate earlier emigration dates - as Nellie appears from 1919 too - perhaps they were back in 1924 for a visit...
Katherine :)
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Is this your Lionel?
http://keteselwyn.peoplesnetworknz.info/soldiers_of_selwyn/topics/show/205-trooper-lionel-edwin-austen-rolph
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You can download his war file from the links at the bottom of this page:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kyr/
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A Dorothy Mabel Rolph married an Arthur Floyd Collins in 1927 (1927/6457)
There is a death entry that seems to match this Dorothy suggesting she was born 1894 though. This is a long time between Dorothy and Kathleen if that is the case. Were there other children?
1978/42942 Collins Dorothy Mabel 9 July 1894
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Fantastic - yes that is our Lionel. Such a sad story as they were married for such a short time. Lovely to see Dorothy mentioned!
I had another look on Ancestry and it seems that the Deans first travelled to NZ in 1914 with Dorothy and Lionel (there's also an incoming record in 1923, so I wonder what they came back for...) There was mass advertising for farmers to travel to NZ at the time, so I wonder if that sparked it.
And yes, Dorothy was born in 1894! The gap between the children always puzzled me. In the 1911 census Neliie says she's only had 3 children, but one has died and yesterday I found a baptism for Sidney Bryant Dean who died age 2 in 1909. That's still a 13 year age gap though.
I've had a look on the BMD website you suggested and found Nellie died in 1950.
Here's the updated timeline so far if you're interested :-) ... https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/115222903/person/410141254534/facts (https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/115222903/person/410141254534/facts)
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Just a few newspaper references to the family:
A birthday party
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kys/
Plunket dance
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kyt/
Fancy dress
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kyu/
Golf club dance
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kyv/
Sumner Beautfiying Association
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kyw/
There are more articles too but now you have the Paperspast link you might like to have a dig and delve yourself :D
Looks like they were a social family?!
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In Paperpast you will find advertisements for the Marine hotel in Sumner from October 1918 with the proprietor being S W Dean, so that may be their income?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kyx/
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Oh my!! What a treat ;D
Yes, I think they were a social family! His father was Eastbourne Railway station master for 40 years and knew everyone in the town, and from photos I think they were quite well-to-do.
I wondered if Kathleen was really known as Peggy as her baptism record is Peggy Kathleen.
I will certainly dig into that website some more - thank you! I'm intrigued by the hotel ad. He was a civil engineer in the UK, but maybe that didn't work out or he took early 'retirement', or they fancied a lifestyle change? The 'new management' seems to fit with that...
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Thank you so much, Twiggy Tree - that's been so helpful and really got me started :D :D :D
Katherine
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One last tidbit for now....
A photo of the Hotel, although a bit earlier than Dean's proprietorship
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kyy/
I'm sure there are others here, especially from that area, who will be able to help further.
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A trip back home [1924]:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19240515.2.7?query=s.%20w.%20dean
And again while in England:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19240315.2.13?query=s.%20w.%20dean
Minniehaha.
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Hi Katherine
You may be interested is this also.
Probate record (with annexed Will) for Sidney William DEAN :
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89V2-N9X5?cc=1865481
~ Lu
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Letters of Administration- Nellie DEAN........
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9J6-PS62-J?i=33&cc=1865481
Minniehaha.
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The death for Joan Marjorie HUTCHINSON (nee DEAN) has been indexed at NZ BDM as >
1993 / 42965 - HUTCHINSON - Joan Margery - date of birth : 8 July 1911
And just to confirm above death is for correct person (as there was someone with a very similar name), an Archives New Zealand listing for her Probate record.
https://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=6583679
Joan's husband was Ormond HUTCHINSON (the man named in her father's will). He died at Christchurch in 1978.
From record indexes, it seems that Ormond's first wife had died and he married Joan c. 1945.
~ Lu
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Photograph of Hutchinson headstone.........
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Ormond-Hutchinson-CMC/17422623
Minniehaha.
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Further to reply #5.......
Divorce, Arthur Floyd Collins [1923]
https://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=16699030
Death:
1952/20024 Collins Arthur Floyd 72Y
Minniehaha.
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Wow - thanks minniehaha and Lucy2 - that's amazing! :o
Interesting to see how the newspaper records those lovely snapshots of life - it seems like it must've been a small tightly-knit community. Love that they go to Spain for a poultry convention! ;D
The will and administration are fab - such a lot of information there. Having the daughters' married names are a real help. Off to comb them for further info.
Thanks again :)