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Title: BRICK WALL - MARGARET HARRIS, HAMILTON LANARKSHIRE MID 1800'S
Post by: paul_mc on Wednesday 01 November 17 22:15 GMT (UK)

I'm finding that in order to go backwards I must now go sideways.

I'm looking for information on my great great great grandmother.

She's been discussed on here before - Born Margaret Harris circa 1807 in Hamilton Lanarkshire. Can't find a record of the birth. Her parents were Thomas Harris and Ann Cunningham - they married Hamilton 1783.

I cant find any record of Margaret's birth or evidence of any siblings. I cant find her parents on a census or any death records.

On 1841 census that Margaret is listed on,  her grand mother Margaret Cunningham is listed as an old lady living with her granddaughters family - which suggests to me that by this time thomas and ann are dead or emigrated and left the old lady behind. Can any one shed any light on this for me please. Margaret Harris  went on to marry 1st Peter Strachan ad then Robert Martin

P

Title: Re: BRICK WALL - MARGARET HARRIS, HAMILTON LANARKSHIRE MID 1800'S
Post by: Rosinish on Thursday 02 November 17 00:18 GMT (UK)

Can you please post links to any other threads to save duplication of effort?

Have you tried a variation of spelling such as Harries/Harres in other areas rather than just Lanarkshire?

Not all children were baptised & not all records have survived.

Not sure if you have this brother?

HARRES MARK
THOMAS HARRES/ANN CUNNINGHAM FR599
16/01/1785
647/30 165 Hamilton

Annie

Title: Re: BRICK WALL - MARGARET HARRIS, HAMILTON LANARKSHIRE MID 1800'S
Post by: Rosinish on Thursday 02 November 17 00:30 GMT (UK)

"Born Margaret Harris circa 1807"

Seems an awful gap if Mark born 1785 is a brother?

Could it be that Thomas Harris and Ann Cunningham were actually her g/parents?

Annie

Title: Re: BRICK WALL - MARGARET HARRIS, HAMILTON LANARKSHIRE MID 1800'S
Post by: Annette7 on Thursday 02 November 17 00:45 GMT (UK)

Also you need to amend your post as you say here that her first husband was Peter Strachan but looking at your previous thread he was James Strachan.

Re. 1841 Census - if Margaret's mother was Ann Cunningham and married 1783 she'd have been born ca. 1760.   The Margaret Cunningham with her was bc.1756 so cannot be a grandmother (possibly an aunt?).

Annette

Title: Re: BRICK WALL - MARGARET HARRIS, HAMILTON LANARKSHIRE MID 1800'S
Post by: Annette7 on Thursday 02 November 17 00:54 GMT (UK)

Looks like she also had a brother Peter Harris bc.1801 Hamilton - he's living in Bathgate, West Lothian in 1851 and died there in 1856.    His parents are shown as Thomas Harris, shoemaker and Ann Harris (maiden name unknown by the informant).

Annette

Title: Re: BRICK WALL - MARGARET HARRIS, HAMILTON LANARKSHIRE MID 1800'S
Post by: Rosinish on Thursday 02 November 17 01:08 GMT (UK)

Quote from: paul_mc on Wednesday 01 November 17 22:15 GMT (UK)

On 1841 census that Margaret is listed on,  her grand mother Margaret Cunningham is listed as an old lady

I have never seen any relationship shown on an 1841 census i.e. how do you know that Margaret was her g/mother?

Annie

Add....Annette, didn't get red alert as I had reply open while still searching ;)

Title: Re: BRICK WALL - MARGARET HARRIS, HAMILTON LANARKSHIRE MID 1800'S
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 02 November 17 08:23 GMT (UK)

For the avoidance of duplication of effort, these are previous threads started by paul_mc mentioning Strachan
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=772216.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=752839.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=752655.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=751867.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=678099.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=718479.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=707024.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=705441.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=678435.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=678442.0

Title: Re: BRICK WALL - MARGARET HARRIS, HAMILTON LANARKSHIRE MID 1800'S
Post by: paul_mc on Friday 03 November 17 14:30 GMT (UK)

Thank you for all the help so far.

Sorry I made a typo and her husband was James. Peter Strachan was her son.

Thanks for helping me find 2 brothers, I assumed that Margaret was her granny due to the age difference - I guess im wrong...

Title: Re: BRICK WALL - MARGARET HARRIS, HAMILTON LANARKSHIRE MID 1800'S
Post by: Rosinish on Friday 03 November 17 22:52 GMT (UK)

Thanks Forfarian...

Not sure I have a spare week in the near future  :D

Paul_mc...

I think it may be worth trying to trace Mark as it's a far less common name?

I'm not convinced yet, he & Margaret were siblings but don't let my thoughts put you off!

What were the names of Margaret's children?

Annie

Title: Re: BRICK WALL - MARGARET HARRIS, HAMILTON LANARKSHIRE MID 1800'S
Post by: paul_mc on Saturday 04 November 17 00:39 GMT (UK)

Thanks Annie

Ive found Mark this evening.

He married Janet Brounlee 5th jan 1812 in hamilton, lanarkshire. She was expecting at the time and gave birth to a son also called mark may 1812 in hamilton. after that the trail on all 3 goes cold.

Paul

Title: Re: BRICK WALL - MARGARET HARRIS, HAMILTON LANARKSHIRE MID 1800'S
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 04 November 17 00:47 GMT (UK)

Hmm...that's a pity!

Just wondering if you tried a search with forename only & surname beginning 'H' as there are as you now know different spellings?

'What were the names of Margaret's children?'

Annie

Title: Re: BRICK WALL - MARGARET HARRIS, HAMILTON LANARKSHIRE MID 1800'S
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 04 November 17 01:04 GMT (UK)

Info. from a tree...

Birth of a son William Harris 15 Feb 1815 Hamilton

Annie

Title: Re: BRICK WALL - MARGARET HARRIS, HAMILTON LANARKSHIRE MID 1800'S
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 04 November 17 01:13 GMT (UK)

Do you have access to 'Fancestry'?

That tree has quite a bit on William!

Would need checked out of course.

1851

ED 5A
Pg 13
Sch no. 66
Line 5
Roll CSSCT1851_168

Annie

Title: Re: BRICK WALL - MARGARET HARRIS, HAMILTON LANARKSHIRE MID 1800'S
Post by: paul_mc on Saturday 04 November 17 10:40 GMT (UK)

margarets children with james strachan were Peter Strachan (1830 - 1904) and Ann strachan  (1828 - 1831)

Title: Re: BRICK WALL - MARGARET HARRIS, HAMILTON LANARKSHIRE MID 1800'S
Post by: paul_mc on Saturday 04 November 17 12:43 GMT (UK)

Hi Annie

I used to use Ancestry but my subscription ran out last year and at the moment i'm spending about £30 a week on Scotland's People.

Do you have anything else on William that might lead me in the right direction.If not dont worry. Thanks for everything so far everyone

Paul

Title: Re: BRICK WALL - MARGARET HARRIS, HAMILTON LANARKSHIRE MID 1800'S
Post by: paul_mc on Thursday 25 June 20 23:04 BST (UK)

Hi All

Hoping to follow up on this post.

The William on Ancestry is part of the family but not the one I'm looking for.

I can't find Mark or his Brother William anywhere - But I came across this link

https://convictrecords.com.au/ships/layton/1839

And the dates tie in

Were they both criminals who were transported?

Anyone any ideas how I can investigate this?

Paul