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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: ribbo39 on Friday 03 November 17 11:44 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
I'm looking for the marriage of a Frederick Ribbans to a Harriet (name unknown) about 1830 +/- 10 possible in Shropshire. Its a hunch only because that is where Harriet says she was born.
In the 1851 census I have a Frederick Bolingbroke Ribbans aged 50, school master in St.Peter Carmarthenshire with wife Harriet born in ??, Salop. Not sure where Frederick comes from as I can't make out PoB.
In the 1871 & 81 census they are in Clewer Berks as "annuitants" and Harriet's PoB is shown as Bishops Castle, Shropshire. Frederick's is shown as Norwich, Norfolk
Can anyone help in finding a marriage please?
I have found a marriage in Westminster, London between Frederick Ribbans and a Harriet Williams in 1824 but not sure these are the right couple.
Many thanks in advance for any help,
Alan
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1841 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQB2-GCT
Looks likely the marriage may have been possibly pre 1820, Fredrick age around 21, if son?
Bapt Arabella - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5BR-Y29
Cas
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Hi Cas,
Thats a useful find of the 1841 census as it shows a son I wasn't aware of. This means their marriage
was earlier than I thought so I'll modify the search. The image of the '41 census doesn't show up on Anc..y at all. Just found it - seems its some school as there are a lot of scholars.
It was remiss of me for not listing Arabella's bapt. in 1826 which I only found this evening.
They seem to have moved around some.
Thanks for your help.
Alan
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Looks a good possible for Fred Jnr?
1851 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGGM-C14
Cas
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Hi
Marriage for Frederick junior 14 Jan 1851 St Peters Carmarthan
East Frederick Thomas Ribbans full bach clerk parish of Leek Staffs Frederick Bolingbrook Ribbans school master
Jane Sarah Webb spins Spelman Street? Thomas Taylor Webb wine merchant
wit Arabella Ribbans James L Horney? Esther Stacey and E Davis.
That fits with a baptism at Lavenham 15 Feb 1820 East Frederick Thomas Ribbans s of Frederick Henry Ribbans and Rebecca EAst.
They married 31.12.1818 at Lavenham
So two wives
Rebecca buried at Lavenham 20.8.1821 age 27
Ciderdrinker
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Me again
There's a Frances Elizabeth 19.10.1824-1.11.1824 , Anna Maria 8.1.1828-4.8.1828 ,Emma Ribbans 13.2.1831 at Lavenham daughters of Frederick Ribbans and Harriet Williams so that marriage looks good.
Son Owen Williams Ribbans 25 Jan 1830 ,buried 16 Dec 1830
Emma buried 3.12.1831 Stamford St ST John Evan. Lambeth age 9 months
Ciderdrinker
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Hi all,
Many thanks. That is really promising with Ararbella's birth fitting in 1826 nicely.
I'll have to take time out to digest all this as its nearly midnight where I am.
Alan
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Alan,
You may already have this but........
in FindMyPast there is a newspaper item from the Suffolk Chronicle issue of 20 August 1821 which refers to the death of Rebecca Ribbans as follows:
"On Monday last, in her 27th year, Rebecca, wife of F.H.Ribbans, of the Lavenham Boarding School, and youngest daughter of Mr East, Postmaster there. She was ever dutiful to her parents, affectionately kind to her husband, child, and relations, meek and unassuming to all persons, and a pious member of the Established Church."
If nothing else, Rebecca's maiden surname of East explains why their son had the forename of East.
Additionally, and again you may already be aware of this, there are several references to both Frederick and his son in Welsh Newspapers Online [search via "ribbans"].
And then.......
also in FindMyPast is an item in the Ipswich Journal issue of 10 January 1824 which reports that:
"Lately was married in London, by the Rev J Williams, Mr Frederick Ribbans of the Lavenham School, to Miss Harriet Williams, daughter of Rev Owen Williams, late of Shrewsbury"
Willyam
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Hello willyam,
That is absolutely marvellous what you have found. I hadn't seen any of those reports and will try and find more.
My big problem is that there may be more Frederick Ribbans around; Frederick Henry, Frederick Bollingbroke etc and I'm just wondering if the two are completely separate.
I do have a marriage record for Frederick Ribbans marrying Harriet Williams in St.Marylebone, Westminster on 2-1-1824 but by Wm.Baker, Curate. in which he is listed as a bach not as a widower.
Where the name "Bollingbrook/bollingbroke" comes from I have no idea, a name he drops after the 1851 census.
This is all very useful so thank you very much.
Alan
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Hi all,
Just following up with this problem.
I have found a marriage in Westminster, London between Frederick Ribbans and a Harriet Williams in 1824
I now have a bapt. 3-10-1803 for a "female" Williams St.Chad, Shrewsbury, Salop d/o Owen & Elizabeth. from the IGI and wondering if anyone has access to the registers to see if there is a name. It would fit nicely if its Harriet.
Looking on the IGI I have found quite a few bapts in Salop with parents Owen & Elizabeth but nothing for Harriet.
Alan
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Alan,
In FindMyPast there is an image for the baptism record that the IGI transcript that you have found is based on.
It looks as though the reason that this transcript does not show the child's forename is because the name as written is very faint on the original document.
However, FindMyPast has transcribed the forename as Cassandra - which I feel is correct.
Correspondingly, there is another transcript in IGI which does show the forename of Cassandra - although this incorrectly shows the date of birth as April 5th.
Whilst a Cassandra is not a Harriet I believe that this is probably the right child because the original entry describes her as: "the daughter of Revd. Owen & Elizabeth; Dog Lane; born September 5th".
Willyam