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Title: Marriage certificate
Post by: Felicty32 on Tuesday 07 November 17 13:58 GMT (UK)
I am researching my great grandmother’s family. Her name was Leah Lucilla Nicholls, l have her marriage certificate, she married Arthur James Tufft, her father was William Nicholls. He married Hannah (  not sure of her maiden name maybe Taylor or Yewdall?) in a 1911 census they are both listed as having 7 children, two of whom died. His address in 1903 was The Avenue, Penn, Wolverhampton. Can anyone help with locating Hannah and her lineage? Thank you
Title: Re: Marriage certificate
Post by: Milliepede on Tuesday 07 November 17 14:08 GMT (UK)
Was Leah born in 1885?

The birth shows her mothers maiden name as Taylor. 

Possible marriage in Dec 1869 Dudley

Fullwood Isaiah
Hughes Elizabeth
Nicholls William
Taylor Hannah
Title: Re: Marriage certificate
Post by: Milliepede on Tuesday 07 November 17 14:16 GMT (UK)
The 1891 census gives Hannah birthplace Worfield Shrops
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Post by: Christine53 on Tuesday 07 November 17 14:36 GMT (UK)
The transcript of the 1869 marriage in Sedgley has a few details :

Hannah Taylor b abt 1849 , father George Taylor
William Nicholls b abt 1846 , father  Henry Nicholls
Title: Re: Marriage certificate
Post by: Felicty32 on Tuesday 07 November 17 15:01 GMT (UK)
She is stated as being 21 when married 25/2/1903
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Post by: PaulineJ on Tuesday 07 November 17 15:22 GMT (UK)
1911 census, showing her aged 26y https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWZ3-F8G

1901, aged 16y https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSQV-YD5
1891 aged 6y.  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WWT6-XT2

porkies on the marriage age there...
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Post by: PaulineJ on Tuesday 07 November 17 15:33 GMT (UK)
TUFFT, CONSTANCE  MAY     NICHOLLS   1903  S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON  Volume 06B  Page 573
TUFFT, LEONARD  JAMES     NICHOLLS  1905  D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON  Volume 06B  Page 526
TUFFT, DORIS  ETHEL     NICHOLLS   1909  S Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 185
Title: Re: Marriage certificate
Post by: Felicty32 on Tuesday 07 November 17 15:57 GMT (UK)
Yes looks like there discrepancies. If it’s the same person. Constance May was my grandmother. So who are the parents of Hannah Taylor?
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Post by: Felicty32 on Tuesday 07 November 17 21:25 GMT (UK)
I can locate William and Hannah’s registered marriage ,6c 232, England and Wales Civil Reg. Index 1837-1915. Is it possible to view the marriage certificate or do l have to order it, in order to obtain further information? Thanks
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Post by: MaureeninNY on Tuesday 07 November 17 22:16 GMT (UK)
Try looking on FreeReg:
https://www.freereg.org.uk/

More details are on there.

Maureen
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Post by: Felicty32 on Wednesday 08 November 17 07:50 GMT (UK)
Thank you, at least there is an address, l would like to know who her mother was, perhaps census records...
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Post by: PaulineJ on Wednesday 08 November 17 08:00 GMT (UK)
Thank you, at least there is an address, l would like to know who her mother was, perhaps census records...

If you are requesting further help, why do you not include the address and other details from freereg?
Title: Re: Marriage certificate
Post by: Felicty32 on Wednesday 08 November 17 09:08 GMT (UK)
Yes l have, William Nicholl’s parents were Sarah Corfield and Henry Nichols, l put the address.
Hannah’s father is George but l can’t find her mother’s name.
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Post by: Christine53 on Wednesday 08 November 17 09:47 GMT (UK)
You have Hannah's father as George Taylor and her marriage gives his occupation as millman. You also have a birthplace for Hannah as Worfield, Shropshire from the 1891 census . I think this is the family on the 1851 census :

Geo Taylor head , miller , b 1806 Shropshire
Ann Taylor wife b 1805 Oaken, Shropshire
Mary Ann 23
William 22
Fanny 14
Caroline 11
Geo 10
Elizth 8
Emma 6
Hannah 1 born Rindleford , Staffordshire

address Rindleford , parish of Worfield, Shropshire
HO107; Piece: 1986; Folio: 529; Page: 16
Title: Re: Marriage certificate
Post by: Felicty32 on Wednesday 08 November 17 09:58 GMT (UK)
Thank you. I noticed on the marriage of Hannah Taylor to William Nicholls that one of the witnesses was Jane Taylor. I am trying to find a Jewish connection in the family.
Title: Re: Marriage certificate
Post by: Felicty32 on Thursday 09 November 17 08:28 GMT (UK)
Do l have the correct Hannah? Mother for Leah Lucilla Nicholls, if her siblings are George and Emily in the 1891 Census, she is referred to as Lucilla not L.L , should l assume it’s the correct one? I have noticed another person on myheritage, has the same family but the mother of Lucilla are Hannah Maud Taylor, her parents are Margaret Mansell and John Taylor which is a different track to mine. Can anyone help as l thought l was on the right trail. Thanks
Title: Re: Marriage certificate
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 09 November 17 08:37 GMT (UK)
There is one way to be certain of Leah Lucilla's parents - purchase the birth certificate.  ;)

You can order it direct from GRO - and at the moment you can get a digital copy for £6.00, as opposed to the paper copy for £9.25.  https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

You will have to register.



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Post by: Felicty32 on Thursday 09 November 17 08:47 GMT (UK)
Yes l was thinking the same. I have her marriage certificate, perhaps a digital copy may suffice. If l just give her marriage details would this information find her birth certificate?
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Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 09 November 17 09:01 GMT (UK)
From GRO you will need the following:

Leah Lucilla Nicholls
June quarter 1885
District:  Wolverhampton
Volume:  6b
Page:  548
Title: Re: Marriage certificate
Post by: Felicty32 on Thursday 09 November 17 12:21 GMT (UK)
Yes l’ve have this reference and awaiting the pdf. If it’s the same person as l have a marriage certificate 1903 and she is listed as being 21 years old. Thanks
Title: Re: Marriage certificate
Post by: Felicty32 on Tuesday 14 November 17 14:56 GMT (UK)
Researching the Tufft side . Leah Lucilla Nicholls married Arthur James Tufft, his father is John Tufft a Groom, his father l believe was James Tufft married to Elizabeth Morgan, there is a Tufft family tree, if it’s correct his full name James Tufft Trovdweiner 1818-1883, l cannot find Trovdweiner and no one else has this added to their name, can anyone assist? Thanks
Title: Re: Marriage certificate
Post by: Felicty32 on Tuesday 14 November 17 15:37 GMT (UK)
Should be Tufft trovdwainer
Title: Re: Marriage certificate
Post by: BumbleB on Tuesday 14 November 17 15:46 GMT (UK)
Just as a matter of interest, where did you find this tree?

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Post by: Felicty32 on Tuesday 14 November 17 15:47 GMT (UK)
myancestry.co.uk
Title: Re: Marriage certificate
Post by: Felicty32 on Tuesday 14 November 17 15:54 GMT (UK)
I shall try and get the reference
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Post by: BumbleB on Tuesday 14 November 17 16:00 GMT (UK)
Be careful - I'm seeing that it is an unsafe website!

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Post by: PaulineJ on Tuesday 14 November 17 16:18 GMT (UK)
Should be Tufft trovdwainer

or maybe it's Cordwainer, and it's his occupation,  not a surname.
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Post by: Felicty32 on Tuesday 14 November 17 16:59 GMT (UK)
 Ancestry.co.uk should be ok?
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Post by: BumbleB on Tuesday 14 November 17 17:34 GMT (UK)
Yes, but I can't see any evidence on Ancestry.

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Post by: Felicty32 on Tuesday 14 November 17 20:30 GMT (UK)
The information from Gary Tufft family tree is; James Tufft trovdwainer was born in1818 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire to Mary Millard 42yrs and John Tufft (1770-1821)

He married Elizabeth Morgan in Wolverhampton on 22/3/1840 when he was 22yrs. Does this help?
Title: Re: Marriage certificate
Post by: MaureeninNY on Tuesday 14 November 17 20:50 GMT (UK)
If you look on FreeReg you can see the details from the marriage.
James was an Iron Brazier. His father,John,was a cordwainer. :)

Pauline J was spot on.

Maureen
Title: Re: Marriage certificate
Post by: Felicty32 on Tuesday 14 November 17 21:29 GMT (UK)
Thank you but what is a trovdwainer?
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Post by: PaulineJ on Tuesday 14 November 17 21:32 GMT (UK)
Thank you but what is a trovdwainer?


Its an abysmal transcription of the word cordwainer
Title: Re: Marriage certificate
Post by: Felicty32 on Tuesday 14 November 17 21:38 GMT (UK)
Makes sense l’ve seen quite a few spelling errors! Thanks :)