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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: Youngy1981 on Wednesday 08 November 17 12:47 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone a week ago i joined an Ancestry Group in my local village which is Hartington and we are looking to see if there are any living descendants from the village. We are hoping to show the villagers and tourists about the village history. We know it's a long shot but are hoping to get some help.
We know that there were some famous / people of interest from our village who did well for themselves. We only started out a week ago and as I've been doing a little research. all i have is below.
1.William Smith, a village craftsman made the W.G.Grace Memorial Gates at Lord`s cricket ground, and the Spa bandstand at Scarborough. He also designed the War Memorial at the foot of Hall Bank which was unveiled by the Duchess of Devonshire in 1924.
2. Frank Redfern (1838-76) was a talented sculptor who was brought up in the village and later moved to London where he worked on the Albert Memorial. Examples of his work can also be seen in the cathedrals of Salisbury, Bristol, Ely and Gloucester.
3. John Oliver was born in Church View Cottage in 1856, the son of a local lead miner. When the mine closed in 1870 the family emigrated to Canada where John worked as a navvy on the Canadian Pacific Railway before becoming a farmer and then a politician. He entered politics as a Liberal and became Prime Minister of British Columbia in 1921, a post he held until his death in 1927.
4. Another famous resident was Prince Obelenski, the Russian nobleman who played rugby for England and scored two tries in a match against the New Zealand All Blacks! Prince & Princess Obelenski had fled Russia during the 1917 revolution and lived for a time at Dove Cottage.
5.The Perry family built and opened the Silent Picture House in 1926, later it became the Amusement Hall before eventually being purchased by the village in the early 1940`s and becoming the Village Hall.
As i said it's only just started so any help would be greatly appreciate by the group.
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Hi Donna?..I'm glad i found you on here..because its by far the easiest place to communicate..and just add bits and bobs.FB is a nightmare for trying to find a way back to the original Thread with all the side bits being added and growing into new threads.........so look for me on here.
Derek.
P.S we have been to Hartington on more than one occasion, and are always out and about in Derbyshire. My family originated in Ashford-in-the- Water (via the Picts and/or Scots!)
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Hi Derek, i keep forgetting i'm on here. Yes facebook is quite annoying for hiding posts. I'm not exactly sure of some of the surnames we are looking for but possibly Redfern as in James Redfern the sculptor, I believe that there are Harrisons, Halls are Hartington names. I believe that the Market Place or square start near the corner house and around to the british legion.
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I have over 200 years of Needham families from the 1600s to mid-1800s that came from Hartington Upper Quarter -- many of whom were baptised, married, or buried in the Parish Church
What sort of info are you looking for?
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Hi Marmalady
the info that we are looking for is where they lived, their jobs and families etc, Needhams that could be a great start for us.
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There is no sign of any Perry family in the Parish Records 1610-1910..nor in the censuses 1841 -1911..so if they did indeed work in Hartington in 1926..they arrived in the village after 1911.....and without first names I cannot search further. I am now looking at ant notable Halls amd harrisons..........
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Thanks Derek will look up some more surnames. Also I believe that one of the Hall's owned the butchery which is now the Beresford Tea Rooms & Post Office.
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Hi Marmalady
the info that we are looking for is where they lived, their jobs and families etc, Needhams that could be a great start for us.
Ok -- i'll put some info together as soon as I can!
Do you have an email address I can send it too -- or somewhere in Hartington where I can drop it off ?
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Thank you so much Marmalady
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THe Harrison's married into or with the Wardle's and tye present day tea Rooms..with the 19th century Post box outside is, or was, until recently.pwned by sub-postmistress SUE WARDLE........Thanks to a combination of Parish records and censuses i am able to tell you almost all the Teachers,butchers,drapers,sawyers.clergymen and associated tradespeople and professionals who lived in Hartingon in the 18th and 19th centuries...and where they lived...BUT...the problem is matching up present addresses with the older ones............For instance an address of some note is "Wye Head"..very posh!!.....in the Hartington PR's (Ollerenshaw.clergyman)..except that today Wye Head comes under Buxton!..Hartington used to be three parishes..and you'l find that a lot of Hartington folk lived in Upper/Town.or Lower Hartington.......These days some of these areas are in Buxton or Earl Sterndale.......But I can certainly give you 18th and 19th Century names and addresses.....Derek.
The Hopes.Harrisons and Olivers ALL married into the Wardles at some time or another!
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Wow Derek thats amazing. I know Sue Wardle or as shes known by Sue Bruce. I see what you mean with matching up with where they lived. I was looking for a soilder who my mum knew or knows some of desendants. Littlewood or lightwood and peach appeared, (the surnames). That would be wonderful any information is appreciated.my sister in laws brother is engaged to a Wardle.
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Here's a rags to riches story right on your doorstep!!..the background story of the man who rose from lowly lead miner to Prime minister of British Columbia in Canada! There' a rather grand pic of him around somewhere!
JOHN OLIVER Baptised 24.08.1856 son of Robert Oliver (a "Lead and Stone" miner) and his wife Emma Lomas who he married at Hartington 19.05.1856 by Licence...John was one of five children.
Robert Oliver father of John was one of SIX illegitimate children of one ALICE OLIVER, by three different men over 14 years. Robert was the last baptised 30.06.1833..and Aice had the last three children by John Allen.to of whom died as infants within their first year.
Alice was buried at Hartington24.11.1875 aged 80..she never married..and in 1871 she was living on Parish relief having originally been a charwoman..
John, as you know, was born IN Church Cottages.....in 1861 the family address was on HYDE LANE..so now we know where to find Church Cottages..............Some story eh????
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In answer to your last Post..which crossed in the Post!! heehee!!
The Hartington give ONE Littlewood Baptism.........that of MARIA LIITLEWOOD baptised 02.10.1690 daughter of Leonardi and Jane..if that is any relation to you then good luck linking up!!
On the other hand..I have 21 PEACH baptisms up to 1911..which may well be of some use to you..the latest are two brothers..sons of JOSEPH PEACH..a Tailor of Hartington............both of whom married in 1906/7.Frank Peach married Elizabeth Sutton 12.06.1907..and Joe Peach who married Ellen Phillips 27.12.1906..............There is a pretty solid line of Tailors called Peach..who lived at High Bank and by 1911 Market Place........
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Oh my goodness that's a lot of information i have to copy down for tonight (ancestry group meets tonight) Ah good i shall look up Littlewood and the others.
Wow had not the faintest idea about the Oliver family but yes as you say rags to riches story. The story about the illegitimate children is very interesting.
Is their any information on the Hope family who built the Village Stores as well?
Walter Peach was an assistant cheese maker in the 1911 census i gather that was before he was enlisted to the army and he lived on Market Place, So I assume that would be one of the cottages at the side of the Village store today.
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Good morning Donna............I am searching for a 19th century map of Hartington...I also have some old Postcards of the village..which I'll try and send you..when I find out how!! In the meantime I'll do a job on the HOPES..there are plenty of them!! I like building up Trees!! Do you have a tree that need extending?.......if your forebears are on the 1911 I can work the oracle!!..Incidentally the Old Cheese shop still exists..so its a fair bet that Walter Peach was there!!
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morning Derek, I live just behind the Cheese Shop. My dad originates from Youlgreave and my mum from Biggin which is approx 2 miles from Hartington so i believe that will come under Hartington
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have now got an unbroken line of Popes from 1758 to 1911....... the earliest Pope is Peter son of Peter and Maria (nee Buxton) 27.12.1660..but there's then a gap.....not that any of them stand out except they are all Tailors.Mercers.Drapers,Grocers..which you'd expect from the family that built the Market Hall.
You say your father's family is from Youlgreave..just happens to be another of my PR's..have been there many times...so if there is any link that you now of between you Father's name and the 1911 census..then i can get into the early days of the PR's..same goes for you mother and family at Biggin...but I need their surnames and dates....mind you,if you've got that all sorted, you won't need me
Your list of notable names should include CHARLES COTTON friend and colleague of Sir Isaak Walton of "Compleat Angler" fame. In fact Charles Cotton wrote more than half the book..and was a notable writer poet and Fisherman in his own right. His Fishing lodge still exists on the bank of the River Dove..........more soon. Derek
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Thanks Derek, a great help although sad to say only 3 of us tonight
I've got the names of some of my parents on both sides but there seems to have gaps in but i will look into the names that i've got gaps for there,
Ooh the Popes that's one that came up in conversation tonight but i never thought on it. We have the information about Charles Cotton as the pub is still in the Village and that has been done but i believe Sir Isaak Walton is one to be done. I'll not be doing that i'm more into finding the names and the business etc for them. I don't mind at all. (Just frustrates me when i've been researching for someone all night only to have been told that's already been done)
I'll copy the Pope's down in the morning, maybe that is one that i could look into next. I don't think that there are any ancestors in Hartington from the Pope family.
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Hey buck up..the hours I've spent being what i thought was really clever and finding all sorts of spectacular things..only to be told "oh yes..we know all that.." I actually wrote to a guy in Japan this morning..who has JOHN OLIVERS Tree..but without all the parents and the brilliant (!) findings of the six illegitimate chidren..so I offered the info to add to his tree..and he wrote back and said...."Oh yes I'm already aware of all that..i left it out on purpose.............etc.
I do sympathise with you.
I notice there is a newsagent AJ & S Peach inn the village.......I suppose they are the same Peaches as in my Records??
Take care
Derek.
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Oh i know what you mean i've spent all day trying to confirm the records from the information you've given me and i'm like well that's fine but why do the same person 2 times. Apparently the Oliver's have been done along with another name i'm not sure off as they haven't given me it yet, However Marie Litton they didn't know about her so i got one up on that cause, ;D. Im not sure if the Peach's at the newsagents are the same as you have in your tree but Sue Peach is who runs it along with her husband but can't tell you his name.
what's the point in doing a tree without the parents i'ts totally crazy. Thats a fair way Japan but then again on my dad's side of the tree they are worldwide Australia etc.
Thanks again
Donna
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Hi there, I don't know if I can help...but I've done a lot of research on my family connections in the Hartington area I have info on Bassetts, Ratcliffe, Pichot-Fidlers, Bonsalls, Greens also info on some of the properties Wolvescote Grange, Biggin Hall etc and have amassed lots of documents, certificates, wills........please let me know if it may be of interest?
Holly Berry.
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Hi Holly that would be fantastic any help is much appreciated
"Hi there, I don't know if I can help...but I've done a lot of research on my family connections in the Hartington area I have info on Bassetts, Ratcliffe, Pichot-Fidlers, Bonsalls, Greens also info on some of the properties Wolvescote Grange, Biggin Hall etc and have amassed lots of documents, certificates, wills........please let me know if it may be of interest?"
These are some of the names we are re-searching
Donna Young
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Hi - I'm trying to find out if anyone has a copy of "Hartington ,. A landscape history from the earliest times to 1800 by Ron Weston 2000 ISBN 090346358X". In the period 1800-1870 my Great x3 (Thomas Abbott) and x4 (Luke Abbott) grandparents farmed at Cotesfield Farm in Hartington (which I I understand was farmed as tenants for the Chatsworth Estate). Apparently, this book has a history of Cotesfield from the early medieval period on pp93-95. Any other information that anyone might have on the Abbotts at that period would be appreciated as well. I've got the census returns and some details of marriages, but suspect that more detailed records will be at Chatsworth house.
Cheers
Matthew
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I have a copy of book in question Matthew, would you like me to send or copy out a little of it. I was very lucky to get the book of a selling site. Donna
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Hi, thanks for the reply. Is it at all possible to scan the pages I'm interested in, and attach them to this site?
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I shall give it a try. I shall try and attatch them below
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Hi
Can anyone help?
I have been going through family photos and came across attached photo but no notes attached.
I know my family spent a lot of the summers between the two World Wars in the Peak District though mainly around Taxall Tideswell and Millers Dale
My question is the photo of the Waterloo Inn in Hartington or do I need to keep looking?
I know there was a Joseph Sutton living in the village in 1939 but his occupation was listed as a Grocer
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Hi Mark
The photo you posted is in Biggin by Hartington, its approx 2 miles from Hartington. Dont get mkxed up with Biggin by Hulland.
My mum originates from Biggin. So its practically or where myself and brother grew up
Donna
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Thank you Donna
Will pay a visit this summer 2019 as not that far away
Mark