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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: Dowdy on Saturday 11 November 17 23:11 GMT (UK)
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Hi All..I have an ancestor of fighting age in 1914 but I cant find any record of him 'joining up'.
I realise he may not have enlisted etc but was conscription compulsory during this time?
His brother signed up at an early age and ultimately died as a POW.
Any suggestions??
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A medical problem perhaps? Flat feet, poor eyesight etc.
Or perhaps he was in a Reserved Occupation?
Giggsy
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Over 60% of WW1 service records were burnt during the WW2 blitz - perhaps that's why you can't find anything on him
As his brother died - his details will be held on the cwgc.org website
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Over 60% of WW1 service records were burnt during the WW2 blitz - perhaps that's why you can't find anything on him
As his brother died - his details will be held on the cwgc.org website
I agree with Carole, that is probably the reason.
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Hi CaroleW
I have info on the deceased brother but cant find anything on this chap.
Hi name was George Dowd, resident of Derby, last info on him is the 1901 Census. ???
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The Medal Roll Index has 5 entries for George Dowd and one for George E in various regiments. If he was from Derbyshire it's a possibility he enlisted in a Yorkshire regiment for which there are 2 entries
The MRI does not show birthplaces - only rank, regiment and service number
What regiment was his brother in?
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There's also Royal Navy,Marines and Air Force to consider
What was his date of birth ?
Ady
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The Medal Roll Index has 5 entries for George Dowd and one for George E in various regiments. If he was from Derbyshire it's a possibility he enlisted in a Yorkshire regiment for which there are 2 entries
The MRI does not show birthplaces - only rank, regiment and service number
What regiment was his brother in?
His brother James was in the Sherwood Foresters Notts and Derby Regt.
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There's also Royal Navy,Marines and Air Force to consider
What was his date of birth ?
Ady
Hi Ady, DOB was circa 1888 :-\
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Also I have been on Ancestry and there is no info after 1901.
Thanks for the replies folks. :)
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So are you saying you have no marriage or death for him? I can't see a death on the CWGC site.
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So are you saying you have no marriage or death for him? I can't see a death on the CWGC site.
It was his brother James who died in WW1
1901 - living with parents Edward & Catherine.
There is no birth registration for him or brother James. 1901 shows him aged 13 b Derbyshire and James aged 11 also Derbyshire
Brother Martin aged 1 has mothers maiden name Ford and there is an 1884 marriage in Lincolnshire between Edward Dowd & Kate Ford but GRO online show no male Dowd/Ford births 1887-1889
1891 census does not have George in household and as there are children born before 1884 - Edward was presumably married previously. In 1881 Edward is unmarried
Edward Dowd 42 b All Saints Derbyshire
Kate 32 b Birmingham
Charlotte 10 b Alfreston
Maria C 8 b Lincoln
Mary Ellen 6 b Lincoln mmn Ford
James 2 b St Alkmund
Margaret 10mths St Alkmund - mmn = Ford
RG12 Piece 2737 Folio 54 Page 27
A Catherine Dowd was b 1886 Derbyshire - no death but she is not on 1891
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James' birth is on the GRO index in 1888 as DOUD, mmn Ford.
Catherine's death is also in 1888 and also as Doud.
Not finding anything for a George though.
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I remember seeing some years ago that there are records detailing the reasons for not enlisting (medical grounds, age etc). I am kicking myself that I didn't keep the details, but perhaps someone here may know?
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"..I have an ancestor of fighting age in 1914 but I cant find any record of him 'joining up'."
Conscription started in 1916.
Imber
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In 1901 George is shown as 13 and James 11. We now know James was born 1888 and Margaret 1890 which doesn’t leave a lot of room for another birth so clearly George was born approx 2 years before James. I am actually wondering whether he was surname Dowd
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If this is Martin in 1911, Edward (father) claims to be born in Ireland:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7TN-489
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I remember seeing some years ago that there are records detailing the reasons for not enlisting (medical grounds, age etc). I am kicking myself that I didn't keep the details, but perhaps someone here may know?
Exemption reasons are in the first schedule to the Military Service Act 1916 - the Act is on the National Archive website:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1916/104/pdfs/ukpga_19160104_en.pdf
Regards
Philip
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So are you saying you have no marriage or death for him? I can't see a death on the CWGC site.
It was his brother James who died in WW1
1901 - living with parents Edward & Catherine.
There is no birth registration for him or brother James. 1901 shows him aged 13 b Derbyshire and James aged 11 also Derbyshire
Brother Martin aged 1 has mothers maiden name Ford and there is an 1884 marriage in Lincolnshire between Edward Dowd & Kate Ford but GRO online show no male Dowd/Ford births 1887-1889
1891 census does not have George in household and as there are children born before 1884 - Edward was presumably married previously. In 1881 Edward is unmarried
Edward Dowd 42 b All Saints Derbyshire
Kate 32 b Birmingham
Charlotte 10 b Alfreston
Maria C 8 b Lincoln
Mary Ellen 6 b Lincoln mmn Ford
James 2 b St Alkmund
Margaret 10mths St Alkmund - mmn = Ford
RG12 Piece 2737 Folio 54 Page 27
A Catherine Dowd was b 1886 Derbyshire - no death but she is not on 1891
Hi again CaroleW. These people were first named Doud in 1841 Census then progressed onto Dowd then onto me O'Dowd!I do have James' B/C stating he was born in May 1888 so older brother George must have been born a couple of years earlier.
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James' birth is on the GRO index in 1888 as DOUD, mmn Ford.
Catherine's death is also in 1888 and also as Doud.
Not finding anything for a George though.
Wow, I wasnt aware of a younger Catherine.If she is one of 'mine'. Thanks for the info.
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There are school records for the children. With one big exception - the mysterious George!
Derby British School, Orchard Street School
Father Edward
Maria Dowd, born 19 March 1883
Mary Ellen Dowd, born 21 Nov 1884
James Dowd, 20 May 1888 (one record says 20.5.87)
Margaret Dowd, born 11 June 1890
Edward Dowd, born 28 March 1894
Elizabeth Dowd, born 6 July 1896 (1901 admission) or 20 May 1896 (1903 admission)
Martin Dowd, born 4 or 14 August 1899 (from admissions in 1902 and 1906)
Edward Dowd was admitted 27.4.97, residence C.11 Walker Lane
John
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There are school records for the children. With one big exception - the mysterious George!
Derby British School, Orchard Street School
Father Edward
Maria Dowd, born 19 March 1883
Mary Ellen Dowd, born 21 Nov 1884
James Dowd, 20 May 1888 (one record says 20.5.87)
Margaret Dowd, born 11 June 1890
Edward Dowd, born 28 March 1894
Elizabeth Dowd, born 6 July 1896 (1901 admission) or 20 May 1896 (1903 admission)
Martin Dowd, born 4 or 14 August 1899 (from admissions in 1902 and 1906)
Edward Dowd was admitted 27.4.97, residence C.11 Walker Lane
John
Hi John,
Thanks for the info.Can I ask how you got this type of info?
Very interesting, I wasnt aware of school records.
Andy
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Hi
They're on findmypast, National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914.
John
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Great stuff, thanks for the heads up. ;)