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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: Philezra on Sunday 19 November 17 18:39 GMT (UK)
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Hi.
1901 census shows Frederick Wells, born Nuthurst, 35 with wife Caroline 40 and children Robert 14, George 11, William E 10, Winifred 8, Edith 6 and Albert E 2.
Frederick married Caroline Laker in 1894.
Robert and George have mmn as Grant and in the 1911 census, Robert, 24, is there with Percy....26 (no George)
The problem is that I can find no-one in 1891.....
Would also like to find out who the father "Grant" was (cannot find a marriage for Grant & Laker).
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Caroline Laker, 31, in West Grinstead in 1891, with sons Percy, Robert, George, William
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4D6S-T6Z
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Terrific one. Can't be 4 illegitimate children surely...
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Percy's birth reg?
March 1885 Reigate 2a 186
Laker, Percy Grant Dallas
mother's maiden surname -
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Terrific one. Can't be 4 illegitimate children surely...
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Well, it looks like it!
Marriage was at Nuthurst, 18th January 1894
Frederick George Wells, 28, Bachelor, Labourer, father George Wells, Labourer
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Caroline Laker, 32, Spinster, father Peter Laker, Labourer
residence for both Nuthurst
both signed
witnesses Emma Edith Hubbard, Edmund Ernest Hubbard
See it here if you are registered (free) and signed in on FamilySearch (everyone will have to be soon anyway, if they want to use the site!)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DT46-G6?i=645&cat=452239
John
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Is this Percy in 1901?
RG13; Piece: 759; Folio: 37; Page: 13
Hadlow Kent
James Sparshott 66 Ag Lab Washington Sussex
Harriet Sparshott 65 Wormanhurst, Sussex
Percy Laker 14 grandson Reigate
Frank Snashel 32 boarder Hadlow, Kent
Elizabeth Richardson 19 grand daughter Harrow Road, London
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Could be, although Caroline's father was Peter and I haven't come across Sparshott (he was Percy Grant in 1911).
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Hi in 1861 census, a Caroline LAKES b 1860/1 is with parents Peter and Mary in West Grinstead
Census ref RG09/607/37/1
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EDIT The birth registration of Caroline LAKER is Dec qtr 1860 Horsham mmn PATCHING
A Peter Laker married a Mary Ann Patching Dec qtr 1843 Horsham v7 page 611
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Mmm, getting a bit concerned, if the Percy Laker 14 b Reigate in 1901 is the same as the 1891 Percy, then the James Sparshott married a Harriet HEDGER in 1859 Thakenham, so wondering how Percy a Grandson?
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They also claim Elizabeth Richardson as a grand daughter. I wonder if it was just a courtesy title and they weren't really related?
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They also claim Elizabeth Richardson as a grand daughter. I wonder if it was just a courtesy title and they weren't really related?
Makes you wonder why they were there though?
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Further to this, I cannot determine whether Frederick may have been illegitimate himself.
He is the 1881 census (15) with father George 35 and mother Mary A 34 plus siblings William H 11 & Mary A 8. The last 2 have mmn as KENNARD. George married Mary Ann Kennard in 1871.
Can't see a previous marriage for George.
....and of course Frederick's whereabouts in 1891....
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Hi birth registration:-
Frederick George Kennard Dec qtr 1865 Worthing 2b 295 No mothers maiden name ( Worthing covers the district of Clapham, where Frederick G 16 is shown as pob in 1881 census)
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EDIT You say the last two have mmn Kennard in 1881 census, can you provide details of William H Wells b c 1870/1 Brighton?
The only possible I located was a William Henry Kennard June qtr 1870 Brighton v2b page 201 No mothers maiden name shown?
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Thank you. I didn't check Frederick using the KENNARD surname.
I couldn't have found Kennard as mmn for William - my mistake.
Thank you for your great help with this conundrum.
Much appreciated.
Phil
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Hi again, which of the Wells children is your relative, as I see possibly Mary Ann Wells b 1871 married an Ernest Edward Gilkes and emigrated with family in 1910 to Sydney and is buried there.
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A bit distant really. My Aunt's mother was Millicent May Wells.
My Aunt's husband was a brother of my Mum.
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A bit distant really. My Aunt's mother was Millicent May Wells.
My Aunt's husband was a brother of my Mum.
OK so Milicent May b 1904 Horsham with father Frederick George Wells/Kennard and Caroline Laker.
Wish I could locate Mary A Kennard b 1847 Clapham and Frederick George Kennard b 1865 Worthing and William Henry Kennard b 1870 Brighton in 1871?
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Mary ann Kennard is mistranscribed on A****y as HENNARD.
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Mary ann Kennard is mistranscribed on A****y as HENNARD.
Which census, where/ what is census ref?
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Hope this makes sense: HO107, Piece 1640, Folio 340, Page 9....?
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Hope this makes sense: HO107, Piece 1640, Folio 340, Page 9....?
That is 1851 not 1871☺
Also a Mary KINARD b 1847 in Clapham, Worthing, Sussex
Census ref HO107/1651/279/4
George Kinnard married a Sarah Mills June qtr 1844 Worthing
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:) Or a baptism Mary Anne Kinnard 12th July 1846 Clapham, Sussex Father William Mother Sophia?
In Clapham Village as Kinard
Census ref HO107/1651/283/13
Mary Ann Kennard married George Wells 9th December 1871 St Nicholas, Brighton.
Fathers James Wells William Kennard
Sophia Kennard marries a Frederick Hazelgrove Dec qtr 1871 Brighton?
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Caroline Laker, 31, in West Grinstead in 1891, with sons Percy, Robert, George, William
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4D6S-T6Z
Hi you asked who the "Grant" was, George was also registered as a Grant September qtr 1889 Horsham 2b 301 mmn Laker
Baptism George Grant 1st September 1889 West Grinstead Father William Grant Mother Caroline
Trying to work out the William b 1890/1 Sussex
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EDIT William was registered as William Ernest Wells March qtr 1891 Horsham 2b 320 mmn Laker
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Thank you very much. I was half expecting a death for a William Grant but can't see one (Sussex, 1889-1891).
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Is this Percy in 1901?
RG13; Piece: 759; Folio: 37; Page: 13
Hadlow Kent
James Sparshott 66 Ag Lab Washington Sussex
Harriet Sparshott 65 Wormanhurst, Sussex
Percy Laker 14 grandson Reigate
Frank Snashel 32 boarder Hadlow, Kent
Elizabeth Richardson 19 grand daughter Harrow Road, London
Following George & Mary A Wells in 1891/1901 gives:-
1891 George Wells 46 b Wisborough Green
Mary A 44 b Clapham
In Nuthursr
Census ref RG12/826/64/2
1901
George Wells 57 b Rudgwick
Mary A 54 b Clapham
Emmie A Wells 10 Grandaughter b Lower Beeding, Sussex
PETER G Wells 16 Grandson b Reigate
Census ref RG13/948/65/9
Whose child is Emmie A?
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Emmie Agnes Wells - mmn Brunsden
Emmie Rhoda Brunsden and William Edward Wells potentially marry in Brighton in Q1 1891
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Hmm, wondering if she was the Emily Rhoda Brunsden b 1872 Kensington who possibly died as Emily Rhoda Wells 1897 Hendon aged 25?
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Is this Percy in 1901?
RG13; Piece: 759; Folio: 37; Page: 13
Hadlow Kent
James Sparshott 66 Ag Lab Washington Sussex
Harriet Sparshott 65 Wormanhurst, Sussex
Percy Laker 14 grandson Reigate
Frank Snashel 32 boarder Hadlow, Kent
Elizabeth Richardson 19 grand daughter Harrow Road, London
Following George & Mary A Wells in 1891/1901 gives:-
1891 George Wells 46 b Wisborough Green
Mary A 44 b Clapham
In Nuthursr
Census ref RG12/826/64/2
1901
George Wells 57 b Rudgwick
Mary A 54 b Clapham
Emmie A Wells 10 Grandaughter b Lower Beeding, Sussex
PETER G Wells 16 Grandson b Reigate
Census ref RG13/948/65/9
Whose child is Emmie A?
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OK assuming this is PERCY Grant in 1911 census, just what happens to the Emmie A Wells, found an Emmie Wells of correct yob Single occ Schoolmistress going to India?
If birth of Emmie Agnes is correct when was William Edward Wells born?
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