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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: ladynicotine on Monday 20 November 17 12:00 GMT (UK)
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I have a photograph of my Gt Grandfather Thomas Grove taken approx 1916 when he was in the Labour Corp. He's with 2 fiends (friends even!), & on the back they're named as John Mill of Anfield St, Dundee & A E Swait (?sp?) of Russell Road, London. I'm interested in contacting people who might know about the war service they did, as I've been unable to find my Gt Grandfather's service record and hoped others may be able to share some information. There's a family story that he was at Salisbury Plain for a while, possibly with the RAF, but more than that I don't know.
Lady Nicotine
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you might find them here
https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/
there is an A.E. Swait and a Thomas Grove in 1918
But you need to pay a subscription to view Full records
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No! NO! No!
Forces War Records have an abysmal reputation, and have no databases that aren't available elsewhere.
Do a search on RootsChat for FWR to see what other RootsChatters think! ;D
Nearly 70% of the WW1 Service Records were destroyed in a WW2 bombing raid.
Have you found any Medal records for these people?
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I'd be a bit cautious about the FWR for Thomas Grove if it is 1918 - he was invalided out some time in (I think) 1917. I've seen a record for Swait that looks quite promising - but it's on Fold3 & you've got to put credit card details in before you start your free trial, which I'm always a little wary of. May have to go down that route though.
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No! NO! No!
add another no for me.
The Labour Corps was formed in early 1917 & made up initially of the service battalions of other Regiments so he may have been with another mob prior to that.
If he was invalided out there should be a mention on the Silver War Badge Roll.
With quite a common name it's going to be difficult knowing if you have the right one.
Seeing the photo might shed a little light possibly.
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Seen jim1's post - left this one to add a (very) small bit)
Thomas Grove's dates need a wee bit of clarifying. The Labour Corps wasn't formed until Jan 1917 which means the photo, if clearly identifiable to the Labour Corps, is after that. The RAF wasn't formed until April 1918 so if he was invalided out then (presumably) before that. I don't find a Thomas Grove Labour Corps on the Silver War badge records which indicate invaliding out. I don't find a Thomas Grove Labour Corps in the medal records.
Sticking with him - what is it that says Labour Corps about the photo? Is his cap badge identifiably Labour Corps or are there other clues? Where did he come from? Any middle initial?
Two John Mill Labour Corps , no Swait so far.
MaxD
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A E SWAIT will be Arthur Edward SWAIT. On the CWGC site as A E Swait . On the London Electoral Rolls at the same Russell Road address. Trees on A*try may provide some info.
Maureen
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The CWGC Swait was in the Royal Air Force - although this doesn't exclude him from having been in the army beforehand. The CWGC address however is not Russell Road but Lewis Road Mitcham so may not be the electoral roll person.
MaxD
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His full name was Thomas Edmund Grove, born in Wandsworth, London in 1876. Died in Whitstable in 1922. I've never seen or heard anything about him being awarded any medals - and as my father & grandfather were both only children I don't think they could be elsewhere in the family - particularly as 1914-18 is an area of special interest to my father & seems to be the only bit of the family history he knows anything about!
Family information is that he was "conscripted into the Labour Corps", but as you say he may have been somewhere else first. He was very unlucky to be caught, as he was right at the upper age limit when they got him.
He died of TB - on his death certificate it gives the date on which this was originally certified, and it was (I believe) right at the end of 1917. I don't have that information to hand at present. Family information says that he was in hospital with "pneumonia", & discharged himself against doctors advice, as his wife & son were in danger of being evicted & he wanted to go & sort that out. This was apparently why he got no war pension. My assumption was that this was when the diagnosis was made & that he was actually invalided out. It's certainly possible that he wasn't actually discharged until after the end of hostilities.
We have two embroidered postcards that he sent his son (my grandfather) - one of these seems to have the RAF "Wings" on it, which is where that information came from.
Now I have a name for Mr Swait I'll be able to do some digging around various other sites, so thank you for that. If I can get the photo into a suitable format I'll try & post it as well.
All this is much appreciated.
Lady N
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His full name was Thomas Edmund Grove, born in Wandsworth, London in 1876. Died in Whitstable in 1922. I've never seen or heard anything about him being awarded any medals - and as my father & grandfather were both only children I don't think they could be elsewhere in the family - particularly as 1914-18 is an area of special interest to my father & seems to be the only bit of the family history he knows anything about!
Family information is that he was "conscripted into the Labour Corps", but as you say he may have been somewhere else first. He was very unlucky to be caught, as he was right at the upper age limit when they got him.
He died of TB - on his death certificate it gives the date on which this was originally certified, and it was (I believe) right at the end of 1917. I don't have that information to hand at present. Family information says that he was in hospital with "pneumonia", & discharged himself against doctors advice, as his wife & son were in danger of being evicted & he wanted to go & sort that out. This was apparently why he got no war pension. My assumption was that this was when the diagnosis was made & that he was actually invalided out. It's certainly possible that he wasn't actually discharged until after the end of hostilities.
We have two embroidered postcards that he sent his son (my grandfather) - one of these seems to have the RAF "Wings" on it, which is where that information came from.
Now I have a name for Mr Swait I'll be able to do some digging around various other sites, so thank you for that. If I can get the photo into a suitable format I'll try & post it as well.
All this is much appreciated.
Lady N
He is on Find My Past RAF records. 275741 on 23 7 1918. Born 14 11 1874. Died 22 5 1922at Whitstable TB Lungs. Wife = Alice Grove, The bungalow, Herne Bay Road, Whitstable
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Would you go with Thomas Edmund Grove born 1874 born Wandsworth wife Alice (married 1909) died May 1922 Whitstable?
If so there is an RAF record for him joined July 1918, served till Jan 19, no record of army service (but no unusual.
MaxD
Snap Gwil =posted simultaneously
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The service dates overlap that of AE Swait RAF who died Oct 18 and is buried in Hendon Cemetery.
MaxD
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Got John Mill of Dundee in the RAF also joined 11 July 1918. Swait also joined Jul 1918. Looks like you have a pic of them in training or in some earlier army life - the photo eagerly awaited, cap badge would do at a pinch!
MaxD
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The story about Salisbury Plain is true! After very short training at what was then called the Reserve Depot, he went to No1 School of Navigation and Bomb Dropping (SNBD)at Stonehenge, which, by coincidence, is less than 2 miles from where I sit.
Swait also went to the same training school but Mill went to No2 SNBD so the photo, if in the RAF, was in early Jul 1918.
MaxD
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This is amazing! Thank you so much to everyone here. The RAF record on FindMyPast is definitely the right guy. I'll try and get the photo up this afternoon - modified to include photo. The gentlemen are, left to right, John Mill, Thomas Grove & Arthur Swait.
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The cap badge is that of the RAF so this is, almost without doubt, a July 1918 photo while in training.
Pity we can't find his record but he may well have served in UK in the Labour Corps if the family story is right and hence no medal card. He was at the upper end of age for conscription.
MaxD
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With many thanks to everyone for their help. Having passed the information on to my father, he would also like to express his thanks.
Lady N.