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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: kirsty.foreman on Tuesday 21 November 17 19:35 GMT (UK)
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Hi there.
My nan Hannah walker born December 1916 met and married my grandad Joseph Samuel hambridge born 20th of April 1915 he was born in wharf braunston to a Sarah Ann Thompson and William hambridge my grandad had some brothers William hambridge born 1913 and Fred and my mum said she thinks he had anther brother called jack but Can't be to sure if he did or not but he did have 2 sisters one is oliva and one other sister I can't remember it.
My grandad and nan married in Brentford in 1949 they use to deliver coal from Birmingham to Brentford my nan had 3 sisters I think but I no one of them was called Dorothy trotman as she married Leslie trotman and I no my nan had a brother my nan mum was called Ada but her married name was walker so I don't no her last name at birth other then she married George walker and George walker was meant to been born in Ireland in Tipperary that's all I no about my mums side of the family so I would love to no my family history and to find out how far back they go as I'm doing ancestry DNA throw my heritage. Thank you
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The Hambridge/Thompson marriage was in Nuneaton in 1910 see www.freebmd.org.uk
You can use the same site to look for Hambridge births with a mothers maiden name of Thompson. Maiden names are only shown on births from the September Qtr 1911.
Have you looked for them on the 1911 census
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The Hambridge/Thompson marriage was in Nuneaton in 1910 see www.freebmd.org
You can use the same site to look for Hambridge births with a mothers maiden name of Thompson. Maiden names are only shown on births from the September Qtr 1911.
Have you looked for them on the 1911 census
hi I got my grandads mother and father marriage certificate but what I don't no is Ada walker birth name before she married my great grandad George walker
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Hi
but what I don't no is Ada walker birth name before she married my great grandad George walker
You can find that one of 2 ways. You can look up the 1916 birth for Hannah Walker on freebmd which will give you Ada's maiden name
If you know when and where George and Ada married - you can look up their marriage on freebmd which will give her maiden name
Unfortunately - you have given no details of Hannah's birthplace and as you have posted on the travelling people board - there are no clues there
A possibility is this marriage if Hannah was born in Birmingham
September qtr 1909
BYFIELD Ada Birmingham 6d 3
WALKER George Herbert Birmingham 6d 3
There are a number of Walker/Byfield births on freebmd
You need to look them up on the 1911 census to check their details
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If that is the correct marriage - here are the full details
2.8.1909
George Herbert Walker - 23 - boatman - illegitimate
Ada Byfield - 22 - father Charles (living) occ carriage fitter
Witnesses Charles Byfield & Emily Jones
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Hi I been trying to find out my great nan Ada walker maiden name before she married george walker they had 3 or 4 daughters my nan hannah walker born in December 1916 I think my nan hannah walker might of had a brother but I'm not 100 percent sure. But what I do no is my great grandad george walker was born in tipperary ireland and he met and married ada unknown surname and became Ada walker.
My nan hannah walker met and married my grandad Joseph Samuel hambridge and they use to work on the boat delivering coal from brimingham to Brentford middlesex. What I do no is Ada walker and George walker resting place is in Ealing middlesex. So if anone can help me find the maiden name of Ada walker and where she was born and how she might of met george walker I would love to no as I'm doing a family tree.
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You asked before, and ways of finding her birth name were covered tgere.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=782973.msg6376069#msg6376069
Pauline
Topics merged
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From FreeBMD
George Herbert Walker married Ada Byfield Sep quarter 1909 in Birmingham
Hannah Walker mother's maiden name Byfield birth registered March quarter 1917 in Aston ( quite normal for a Dec birth to be registered following quarter)
Isobel
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If that is the correct marriage - here are the full details
2.8.1909
George Herbert Walker - 23 - boatman - illegitimate
Ada Byfield - 22 - father Charles (living) occ carriage fitter
Witnesses Charles Byfield & Emily Jones
hi who is Charles Byfield and Emily Jones to ada walker and george walker
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Witnesses are often friends or family.
There is no way to be sure who they are.
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Re. Witness Charles Byfield - very possible that this is Ada's father.
Isobel
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Re. Witness Charles Byfield - very possible that this is Ada's father.
Isobel
do you no if Ada and george walker had any brothers or sisters and where wear they born.
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You need to start by finding george walker and ada (nee byfield) in the 1911
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You need to start by finding george walker and ada (nee byfield) in the 1911
hi can you please help me out i spoken to my mum this morning and she reckons that someone in her family might of worked as a baker or worked as a clark this could be ether on the hambridge or walker side of the family.
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Hi
but what I don't no is Ada walker birth name before she married my great grandad George walker
You can find that one of 2 ways. You can look up the 1916 birth for Hannah Walker on freebmd which will give you Ada's maiden name
If you know when and where George and Ada married - you can look up their marriage on freebmd which will give her maiden name
Unfortunately - you have given no details of Hannah's birthplace and as you have posted on the travelling people board - there are no clues there
A possibility is this marriage if Hannah was born in Birmingham
September qtr 1909
BYFIELD Ada Birmingham 6d 3
WALKER George Herbert Birmingham 6d 3
There are a number of Walker/Byfield births on freebmd
You need to look them up on the 1911 census to check their details
hi I can't seem to find george herbert walker birth place as I always been told that george camed from ireland tipperary I can't find him any where I even tried to Google it and nothing has comed up please help me thank you
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Then maybe you should put it aside until the 1921 is released and hope that Hannah is enumerated with her parents.
It may be that they were not enumerated at all in 1911. There is nothing to be done if that is the case.
I'd also dismiss any rumoured birthplace until it is backed up by hard evidence
You also seem to think that Hannah had 3 sisters, one called Dorothy.
I can't see any evidence for Dorothy.
Births Mar 1912 Walker Lilian F Byfield Birmingham 6d 294
Births Dec 1914 Walker George H Byfield Aston 6d 829
Births Mar 1917 Walker Hannah Byfield Aston 6d 736
Births Jun 1920 Walker Arthur Byfield Birmingham 6d 514
Births Mar 1922 Walker Emily Byfield Warwick 6d 1526
Births Mar 1924 Walker Violet A Byfield Uxbridge 3a 62
Births Jun 1928 Walker Doris E Byfield Birmingham N. 6d 514
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Then maybe you should put it aside until the 1921 is released and hope that Hannah is enumerated with her parents.
It may be that they were not enumerated at all in 1911. There is nothing to be done if that is the case.
I'd also dismiss any rumoured birthplace until it is backed up by hard evidence
You also seem to think that Hannah had 3 sisters, one called Dorothy.
I can't see any evidence for Dorothy.
Births Mar 1912 Walker Lilian F Byfield Birmingham 6d 294
Births Dec 1914 Walker George H Byfield Aston 6d 829
Births Mar 1917 Walker Hannah Byfield Aston 6d 736
Births Jun 1920 Walker Arthur Byfield Birmingham 6d 514
Births Mar 1922 Walker Emily Byfield Warwick 6d 1526
Births Mar 1924 Walker Violet A Byfield Uxbridge 3a 62
Births Jun 1928 Walker Doris E Byfield Birmingham N. 6d 514
hi there can you help me do you no if Arthur and Emily died as infants as my mum never heard of them names before until today wich it gave her a shock.
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Kirsty, you seem to be failing to grasp that we "KNOW" nothing.
Until you get certificates, or other records, it's all conjecture.
I urge you to start looking on freebmd for early deaths if the names of your mother's maternal aunts and uncles seem unfamiliar. (ie these are siblings of your mother's mother)
There is also the possibility that the family called them by another (pet) name, so don't jump to conclusions
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Then maybe you should put it aside until the 1921 is released and hope that Hannah is enumerated with her parents.
It may be that they were not enumerated at all in 1911. There is nothing to be done if that is the case.
I'd also dismiss any rumoured birthplace until it is backed up by hard evidence
You also seem to think that Hannah had 3 sisters, one called Dorothy.
I can't see any evidence for Dorothy.
Births Mar 1912 Walker Lilian F Byfield Birmingham 6d 294
Births Dec 1914 Walker George H Byfield Aston 6d 829
Births Mar 1917 Walker Hannah Byfield Aston 6d 736
Births Jun 1920 Walker Arthur Byfield Birmingham 6d 514
Births Mar 1922 Walker Emily Byfield Warwick 6d 1526
Births Mar 1924 Walker Violet A Byfield Uxbridge 3a 62
Births Jun 1928 Walker Doris E Byfield Birmingham N. 6d 514
hi there can you help me do you no if Arthur and Emily died as infants as my mum never heard of them names before until today wich it gave her a shock.
Lilian F george h my nan hannah violent and and doris e I knew about but my mum never heard heard of Arthur and Emily so that is a mystery to us as my mum thinks they might of died at a young age as my nan never spoken about them when she was alive.
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Kirsty,
Have you located any of these people in 1939?
You'll have to buy a subscription/ credits to do so. We cannot help with the information from it. Presumably you have an inkling of where the family might be?
Pauline
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Hi could you please help me i can't seem to find the year and death place of where Emily and Arthur walker died in tried searching and I can't find anything please help me. Thank you
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Kirsty, you have plenty of cousins to whom you could chat.
Have any of them ever heard of these "missing" names?
Have you located any of them in 1939? If so, where & with whom?
What more have you discovered of "Dorothy"?
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Kirsty, you have plenty of cousins to whom you could chat.
Have any of them ever heard of these "missing" names?
Have you located any of them in 1939? If so, where & with whom?
What more have you discovered of "Dorothy"?
it turns out I got the name dorothy wrong as when I was younger we use to call my aunt auntie doll little did I her real name is Doris.
I only have a few cousins and they never heard of they names of Arthur and Emily walker wich is why I'm trying to find the year they died and death place so I need some help please
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There is NOTHING else we can do. Are you prepared to buy the birth certificates of these two , and then buy every namesake death of approximately the correct age?
The names are not rare enough, nor do any of us know where they might have been .
TALK with your cousins and see what snippets they can provide.
Eg what names witness family marriages? (when and where)
What names notify known deaths? (when and where)
What addresses were kids of the era born at? (when and where)
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Then maybe you should put it aside until the 1921 is released and hope that Hannah is enumerated with her parents.
It may be that they were not enumerated at all in 1911. There is nothing to be done if that is the case.
I'd also dismiss any rumoured birthplace until it is backed up by hard evidence
You also seem to think that Hannah had 3 sisters, one called Dorothy.
I can't see any evidence for Dorothy.
Births Mar 1912 Walker Lilian F Byfield Birmingham 6d 294
Births Dec 1914 Walker George H Byfield Aston 6d 829
Births Mar 1917 Walker Hannah Byfield Aston 6d 736
Births Jun 1920 Walker Arthur Byfield Birmingham 6d 514
Births Mar 1922 Walker Emily Byfield Warwick 6d 1526
Births Mar 1924 Walker Violet A Byfield Uxbridge 3a 62
Births Jun 1928 Walker Doris E Byfield Birmingham N. 6d 514
hi there can you help me do you no if Arthur and Emily died as infants as my mum never heard of them names before until today wich it gave her a shock.
Lilian F george h my nan hannah violent and and doris e I knew about but my mum never heard heard of Arthur and Emily so that is a mystery to us as my mum thinks they might of died at a young age as my nan never spoken about them when she was alive.
im tying everything I can to find out when Arthur walker died i can't find the deathe year at all so I need some help. How ever I did find out that Emily walker died as a baby in 1920. But I need the help of finding out when Arthur walker died. No one knows in my family as I asked all my cousins and no one has ever heard of emily and Arthur walker pls a little help in the right direction would be nice thanks
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Kirsty, you are not following up on the suggestions that we make.
You've been advised to ask your family about names/dates/places on the certificates that they have, and you've ignored it.
how do you now know emily died as an infant?
What was the source? Do you know where she was buried, who else is in the grave plot?
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Kirsty, you are not following up on the suggestions that we make.
You've been advised to ask your family about names/dates/places on the certificates that they have, and you've ignored it.
how do you now know emily died as an infant?
What was the source? Do you know where she was buried, who else is in the grave plot?
hi I did say no one knows in my family as my cousins never heard of emily and Arthur walker. I found on ancestry that Emily walker died in the same year she was born in but I can not find when Arthur walker died and I tried looking on Facebook at Waterways heritage-canal and connection family but I can't find nothing
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Kirsty,
PLENTY has been found for you.
You still don't answer a question. I asked how you know YOUR emily died as an Infant. "On Ancestry" is not an answer. What PROVES it was "your" Emily? What TYPE of record was it? What is the full URL (www..) for the information?
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Kirsty,
PLENTY has been found for you.
You still don't answer a question. I asked how you know YOUR emily died as an Infant. "On Ancestry" is not an answer. What PROVES it was "your" Emily? What TYPE of record was it? What is the full URL (www..) for the information?
hi I found this on myheritage as I took a dna test months ago and I recently put down my nans siblings on a family tree and I come a cross a match so my question is could Arthur walker have a middle name. I copied and pasted this so you can see for yourself as I want to no could it be my nans hannah hambridge brother Arthur walker.
Arthur Michael Walker
Birth Circa June 11 1920 - Birmingham, United Kingdom
Parents
George Herbert Walker and Ada Walker (born Byfield)
Partner
Florence Joan Walker (born Bilbrough-Bell)
Child
<Private>
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hi I found this on myheritage as I took a dna test months ago and I recently put down my nans siblings on a family tree and I come a cross a match so my question is could Arthur walker have a middle name. I copied and pasted this so you can see for yourself as I want to no could it be my nans hannah hambridge brother Arthur walker.
Arthur Michael Walker
Birth Circa June 11 1920 - Birmingham, United Kingdom
Parents
George Herbert Walker and Ada Walker (born Byfield)
Partner
Florence Joan Walker (born Bilbrough-Bell)
Child
<Private>
Contact the other submitter to find out what proof/documentation they have on Arthur's life/marriage & death.
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If that is the correct marriage - here are the full details
2.8.1909
George Herbert Walker - 23 - boatman - illegitimate
Ada Byfield - 22 - father Charles (living) occ carriage fitter
Witnesses Charles Byfield & Emily Jones
hi love can you please help me find the birth place of george herbert walker my mum said he's family are from tipperary in ireland and through my ancestry DNA I do have a bit of irish Wales and Scottish in me
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No, we cannot.
The information does not appear to be out there.
You have a 1909 marriage, yet no 1911 census, nor anything prior to 1909.
It's been suggested that you will have to wait for the 1921 census and see what may be on there
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If that is the correct marriage - here are the full details
2.8.1909
George Herbert Walker - 23 - boatman - illegitimate
Ada Byfield - 22 - father Charles (living) occ carriage fitter
Witnesses Charles Byfield & Emily Jones
hi love can you please help me find the birth place of george herbert walker my mum said he's family are from tipperary in ireland and through my ancestry DNA I do have a bit of irish Wales and Scottish in me
hi there can you tell me when and where Charles Byfield and he's wife Ada mum was born and did Ada walker have any siblings and if george herbert walker had any had any siblings considering george herbert walker was legitimate child.
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George Herbert Walker was a bastard. (see reply number 4 of THIS thread)
We know nothing of his father, and nothing of his mother.
NOR do we have any inkling of where he was born.
Nor do we know any address for him after the 1909 marriage, to try for 1911 / 1939.
YOU would have to supply addresses and actual dates of birth (& you have chosen not to buy any certificates)
Ada Walker (married in 1909) nee Byfield, daughter of Charles Byfield, a Carriage fitter.
Ada Byfield's birth reg (mother's maiden name is shown as Ladds)
Oct-Nov-Dec 1886 Aston, Warwickshire, England
Volume 6D Page 260
Parents Marriage (boxing day 1881)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NF88-2P7
1891 census: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WL93-33Z
1901 census: Not found at this time.
Charles (Ada's father) in 1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWZ4-RKP
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George Herbert Walker was a bastard. (see reply number 4 of THIS thread)
We know nothing of his father, and nothing of his mother.
NOR do we have any inkling of where he was born.
Nor do we know any address for him after the 1909 marriage, to try for 1911 / 1939.
YOU would have to supply addresses and actual dates of birth (& you have chosen not to buy any certificates)
Ada Walker (married in 1909) nee Byfield, daughter of Charles Byfield, a Carriage fitter.
Ada Byfield's birth reg (mother's maiden name is shown as Ladds)
Oct-Nov-Dec 1886 Aston, Warwickshire, England
Volume 6D Page 260
Parents Marriage (boxing day 1881)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NF88-2P7
1891 census: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WL93-33Z
1901 census: Not found at this time.
Charles (Ada's father) in 1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWZ4-RKP
i don't no if this will help but my mum has said that george herbert walker was from tipperary in ireland I don't no if you have ireland records but what I do no is george herbert walker is buried in Ealing Middlesex his wife Ada walker.
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Family rumour on where George Herbert Walker is no use at all. We've stated that several times.
Nothing more can be done until there is more HARD evidence.
NO George Herbert Walker births are registered in Ireland in that timeframe, never mind any particular county.
If you want to progress you will have to BUY certificates and tell us what the CERTIFICATE(s) state.
Pauline
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hi I found this on myheritage as I took a dna test months ago and I recently put down my nans siblings on a family tree and I come a cross a match so my question is could Arthur walker have a middle name. I copied and pasted this so you can see for yourself as I want to no could it be my nans hannah hambridge brother Arthur walker.
Arthur Michael Walker
Birth Circa June 11 1920 - Birmingham, United Kingdom
Parents
George Herbert Walker and Ada Walker (born Byfield)
Partner
Florence Joan Walker (born Bilbrough-Bell)
Child
<Private>
Contact the other submitter to find out what proof/documentation they have on Arthur's life/marriage & death.
hi there i got george Herbert Walker and Ada Byfield marriage certificate they got married in 1909 at a parish church in birmingham george age 23 and ada age 22 george was a bachelor and boatman and Ada bifold was a spinster and -.- and lived at 11 Coventry Street and her father name was Charles Byfield a carriage fitter and George Herbert Walker lived at meriden street and he was a (legitimate) and ond on the most in the president of Us names are Charles Byfield and Emily Jones so if you can help me find the name of George Herbert Walkers mum and where George Herbert Walker was born and year he was born in as my mum has always told me that she thinks that George have all her might have been from Tipperary Ireland ? I got there marrage certificate today
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hi I found this on myheritage as I took a dna test months ago and I recently put down my nans siblings on a family tree and I come a cross a match so my question is could Arthur walker have a middle name. I copied and pasted this so you can see for yourself as I want to no could it be my nans hannah hambridge brother Arthur walker.
Arthur Michael Walker
Birth Circa June 11 1920 - Birmingham, United Kingdom
Parents
George Herbert Walker and Ada Walker (born Byfield)
Partner
Florence Joan Walker (born Bilbrough-Bell)
Child
<Private>
Contact the other submitter to find out what proof/documentation they have on Arthur's life/marriage & death.
hi there i got george Herbert Walker and Ada Byfield marriage certificate they got married in 1909 at a parish church in birmingham george age 23 and ada age 22 george was a bachelor and boatman and Ada bifold was a spinster and -.- and lived at 11 Coventry Street and her father name was Charles Byfield a carriage fitter and George Herbert Walker lived at meriden street and he was a (legitimate) and ond on the most in the president of Us names are Charles Byfield and Emily Jones so if you can help me find the name of George Herbert Walkers mum and where George Herbert Walker was born and year he was born in as my mum has always told me that she thinks that George have all her might have been from Tipperary Ireland ? I got there marrage certificate today
sorry i forgot to put down that george Herbert Walker ada Byfield got married on the 2nd of August 1909 so any information about George Herbert Walker and any of his family will be highly grateful thank you very much
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hi I found this on myheritage as I took a dna test months ago and I recently put down my nans siblings on a family tree and I come a cross a match so my question is could Arthur walker have a middle name. I copied and pasted this so you can see for yourself as I want to no could it be my nans hannah hambridge brother Arthur walker.
Arthur Michael Walker
Birth Circa June 11 1920 - Birmingham, United Kingdom
Parents
George Herbert Walker and Ada Walker (born Byfield)
Partner
Florence Joan Walker (born Bilbrough-Bell)
Child
<Private>
Contact the other submitter to find out what proof/documentation they have on Arthur's life/marriage & death.
hi there i got george Herbert Walker and Ada Byfield marriage certificate they got married in 1909 at a parish church in birmingham george age 23 and ada age 22 george was a bachelor and boatman and Ada bifold was a spinster and -.- and lived at 11 Coventry Street and her father name was Charles Byfield a carriage fitter and George Herbert Walker lived at meriden street and he was a (legitimate) and ond on the most in the president of Us names are Charles Byfield and Emily Jones so if you can help me find the name of George Herbert Walkers mum and where George Herbert Walker was born and year he was born in as my mum has always told me that she thinks that George have all her might have been from Tipperary Ireland ? I got there marrage certificate today
sorry i forgot to put down that george Herbert Walker ada Byfield got married on the 2nd of August 1909 so any information about George Herbert Walker and any of his family will be highly grateful thank you very much
sorry about my terrible spelling I hope you understand it thank you
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Youve added nothing.
The full details of the 1909 marriage were made available some posts back.
Youve have baan asked for documented events post 1909, and have produced nothing. There's no more for us to do at this time. Its a dead end.
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Hi i was wondering if someone can help me find out who lived at 27 and a half meriden road birmingham apparently my great grandad George Herbert walker live at this address as it says on his marriage certificate and also it also says that my great nan ada Byfield lived at 11 Coventry Road Birmingham so it be wicked to find out who lived at them address when they way living there. Thank you
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Hi i was wondering if someone can help me find out who lived at 27 and a half meriden road birmingham apparently my great grandad George Herbert walker lived at this address as it says on his marriage certificate and also it says that my great nan ada Byfield lived at 11 Coventry Road Birmingham so it be wicked to find out who lived at them address when they was living there. Thank you
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The full details of the 1909 marriage were made available some posts back.
There's no more for us to do at this time. Its a dead end.
The Meriden street address was not listed in the 1911 census (presumably it's empty)
You've already been provided with the 1911 census for Ada's birth family at reply number 33.
Pauline
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Hi there can you please help me find the date and death of my great grandad George Herbert walker and great nan Ada byfield I'm kinda stuck and i need a bit of help thank you.
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Then maybe you should put it aside until the 1921 is released and hope that Hannah is enumerated with her parents.
It may be that they were not enumerated at all in 1911. There is nothing to be done if that is the case.
I'd also dismiss any rumoured birthplace until it is backed up by hard evidence
You also seem to think that Hannah had 3 sisters, one called Dorothy.
I can't see any evidence for Dorothy.
Births Mar 1912 Walker Lilian F Byfield Birmingham 6d 294
Births Dec 1914 Walker George H Byfield Aston 6d 829
Births Mar 1917 Walker Hannah Byfield Aston 6d 736
Births Jun 1920 Walker Arthur Byfield Birmingham 6d 514
Births Mar 1922 Walker Emily Byfield Warwick 6d 1526
Births Mar 1924 Walker Violet A Byfield Uxbridge 3a 62
Births Jun 1928 Walker Doris E Byfield Birmingham N. 6d 514
. Hi I have tried everything i could to find the death record for Emily walker born march 1922 and Arthur walker born June 1920. Please please help me find the death year they died in thank you
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Hi I have tried everything i could to find the death record for Emily walker born march 1922 and Arthur walker born June 1920.
What did the submitter of the information on myheritage tell you?
Have you even been in contact with them regarding Arthur?
and As you have been told: BUY CERTIFICATES if you want help.
We are at a dead end without further info
Pauline
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Hi I have tried everything i could to find the death record for Emily walker born march 1922 and Arthur walker born June 1920.
What did the submitter of the information on myheritage tell you?
Have you even been in contact with them regarding Arthur?
and As you have been told: BUY CERTIFICATES if you want help.
We are at a dead end without further info
Pauline
On my heritage I was matched up with a Arthur Michael walker born circa 11th of June 1920 in Birmingham worked as a real estate agent hes mothers name was ada byfield and he's father was George Herbert walker and Arthur had a wife called Florence Joan Walker (born Bilbrough-Bell)
His partner
Born in 1917 - Ascot, Yorkshire, England
Died in 1982 - Mona Vale Hospital, NSW so my question could this person Arthur be my great uncle because according to my heritage my Arthur walker born in June 1920 is a match to Arthur Michael walker born in 11th of June 1920
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If that is the correct marriage - here are the full details
2.8.1909
George Herbert Walker - 23 - boatman - illegitimate
Ada Byfield - 22 - father Charles (living) occ carriage fitter
Witnesses Charles Byfield & Emily Jones
hi love can you please help me find the birth place of george herbert walker my mum said he's family are from tipperary in ireland and through my ancestry DNA I do have a bit of irish Wales and Scottish in me
I just come across this on ancestry and I think I might of found a George Herbert walker born in January 1886 in rugby Warwickshire and I think that George Herbert walker might of been baptism as I cames across a George h walker mother walker for July 1911 in Birmingham Warwickshire I'm not sure if this could be the same person but I would like it if you could take a look in to this thank you
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I dont know how myheritage does its matches, but that looks like a suggestion rather than a documented paper trail. Did you contact a submitter for further information?
if it were documented, then it would show when he went to Aus, when&where he wed and when&where he died. There isnt an Ascot in Yorkshire for Florence Joan to have been born there, so even that statement is doubtful.
What we have asked for time after time is
Dates of birth for any/all of those Walker-Byefield births
Places (street addresses) for those Walker-Byfield births.
Dates, places, street addresses, parental information, witness names on marriages of those Walker-Byfield kids.
If you really think that the illegitimate 1886 birth is your man, then BUY the birth certificate and we can see whether we can find him/his mother in census to rule him in/out.
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There is a tree on Ancestry for Arthur Michael Walker and Florence Joan. She appears to have been born Florence J Bell in Leeds in 1917 mmn Bilbrough. She married John Henry Smith Filmer in St Pancras in 1939 and subsequently went to Australia. She supposedly married Arthur in 1957 in Sydney ( he being her third husband). There appears to have been one daughter ( details private). Possibly worth trying to contact the tree owner for more information.
Isobel
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I have found the baptism for Florence Lillian ( registered Lillian F Walker in 1912). She was baptised in Birmingham on 14th Jan 1912 ( date of birth 31st Dec 1911). Parents George Herbert Walker, a Boatman) and Ada Walker. Address looks like 2 bk 56 Floodgate Street (Birmingham).
Isobel
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There doesn’t appear to be a 1911 census schedule for 56 Floodgate St. Those for houses either side are there.
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[/quote] I just come across this on ancestry and I think I might of found a George Herbert walker born in January 1886 in rugby Warwickshire and I think that George Herbert walker might of been baptism as I cames across a George h walker mother walker for July 1911 in Birmingham Warwickshire I'm not sure if this could be the same person but I would like it if you could take a look in to this thank you
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I think I might have made some sense of this. There is a baptism linked to the 1886 Rugby marriage of George Herbert Walker. It took place in Brinklow, Warwickshire in Sept 1886. No father, mother Emily Walker, single woman. Going back to 1881 in Brinklow there is a possible for Emily Walker the mother. She is age 18, daughter of James and Mary A Walker. By 1891 she has become Emily Morris, married with two children - George Morris age 5 and Rose Morris age 3. No husband present. Rose is registered as Rose Walker in 1888 mmn Walker. By 1901 both Rose and George have disappeared but there are three other children - Charles 6, Lily 1 and an unnamed baby. All are recorded as Morris mmn Walker on gro. Emily is again on her own. Note on census that husband is away from home. However when Rose Morris married Albert Henry Collins in 1910 her father is given as Charles Morris ( deceased) occupation Boatman. This provides a tantalising link between George Herbert Walker born 1886 in Rugby and the world of canal boatmen. Still looking for George Herbert in 1901.
Isobel
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Emily Walker/Morris remarried as a widow in 1910 in Northants to William Harry Stratfull. She gives her father as James Walker deceased occ Boatman. The Stratfull family are in the 1911 census including Lilian Mary (Lily) and Blanche Elizabeth ( the baby from 1901). She was born around 1862 in Brinklow. They are living at Buckby Wharf.
Isobel
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I have found James Walker ( father of Emily) as a Captain living at Canal Boats, Cut End, Ashby, Leicestershire in 1891. There is a possible death in Rugby Reg district in 1893.
Isobel
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There doesn’t appear to be a 1911 census schedule for 56 Floodgate St. Those for houses either side are there.
could that might of been a boat because my mum told me they live and worked on boats as they are canal people.
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I have barge people in my family and I have found them on all census at various parts of the canals and basins but they always seem to have returned to their base for the children's baptism, one mother had 14 children all born on a barge, I am sure they will be listed on the census
Louisa Maud
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I have found James Walker ( father of Emily) as a Captain living at Canal Boats, Cut End, Ashby, Leicestershire in 1891. There is a possible death in Rugby Reg district in 1893.
Isobel
could he be related to George Herbert Walker considering his legitimate child the Unknown mother unknown father which I'm still stuck on trying to find his birth parents
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I have barge people in my family and I have found them on all census at various parts of the canals and basins but they always seem to have returned to their base for the children's baptism, one mother had 14 children all born on a barge, I am sure they will be listed on the census
Louisa Maud
can I ask are you related to the people that I've asked about thank you
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No Kirsty I am not related , all of mine have been accounted for
Louisa Maud
What about my impute to the File/Gilham/Hamerton family
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I have found James Walker ( father of Emily) as a Captain living at Canal Boats, Cut End, Ashby, Leicestershire in 1891. There is a possible death in Rugby Reg district in 1893.
Isobel
could he be related to George Herbert Walker considering his legitimate child the Unknown mother unknown father which I'm still stuck on trying to find his birth parents
I think that James Walker may be the grandfather of George Herbert Walker. I believe that George was the illegitimate son of a Emily Walker, daughter of James. However you need to check this out by purchasing appropriate certificates.
Isobel
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I have found James Walker ( father of Emily) as a Captain living at Canal Boats, Cut End, Ashby, Leicestershire in 1891. There is a possible death in Rugby Reg district in 1893.
Isobel
could he be related to George Herbert Walker considering his legitimate child the Unknown mother unknown father which I'm still stuck on trying to find his birth parents
I think that James Walker may be the grandfather of George Herbert Walker. I believe that George was the illegitimate son of a Emily Walker, daughter of James. However you need to check this out by purchasing appropriate certificates.
Isobel
hi there do you no where Emily walker might of been born and weather or not she got married and went on to have more children and also the birth place of her parents please thank you
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I have found James Walker ( father of Emily) as a Captain living at Canal Boats, Cut End, Ashby, Leicestershire in 1891. There is a possible death in Rugby Reg district in 1893.
Isobel
hi was he born in 1891 ?
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If that is the correct marriage - here are the full details
2.8.1909
George Herbert Walker - 23 - boatman - illegitimate
Ada Byfield - 22 - father Charles (living) occ carriage fitter
Witnesses Charles Byfield & Emily Jones
hi can you help me I'm trying to find the birth year of my great nan Sarah Ann Hambridge maiden name was Thompson and I'm trying to find the birth year of my great grandfather William Hambridge if ok some help it will be appreciated.
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I have barge people in my family and I have found them on all census at various parts of the canals and basins but they always seem to have returned to their base for the children's baptism, one mother had 14 children all born on a barge, I am sure they will be listed on the census
Louisa Maud
hi can I ask where
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Emily Walker/Morris remarried as a widow in 1910 in Northants to William Harry Stratfull. She gives her father as James Walker deceased occ Boatman. The Stratfull family are in the 1911 census including Lilian Mary (Lily) and Blanche Elizabeth ( the baby from 1901). She was born around 1862 in Brinklow. They are living at Buckby Wharf.
Isobel
hi can I ask who was Emily first husband and did they have kids together and what was her mother's name.
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Emily Walker/Morris remarried as a widow in 1910 in Northants to William Harry Stratfull. She gives her father as James Walker deceased occ Boatman. The Stratfull family are in the 1911 census including Lilian Mary (Lily) and Blanche Elizabeth ( the baby from 1901). She was born around 1862 in Brinklow. They are living at Buckby Wharf.
Isobel
hi can I ask who was Emily first husband and did they have kids together and what was her mother's name.
Kirsty about 3/4 years ago I gave you a lot of info & contacts on our share Hambrige boat people in Coventry & Brentford amongst that info was this on may 30th 1910 at the church in Long Buckby William Harvy Stratfull a 40 year old bachelor occupation Labourer a resident of Whilton son of Charles Stratfull a Lock Keeper married Emily ann Morris a 48 year old widow from Buckby Wharf daughter of James Walker a deceased Boat man both signed their names but the whitness names where not readable due to damage on the page I even sent you a picture of the church .
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Emily Walker/Morris remarried as a widow in 1910 in Northants to William Harry Stratfull. She gives her father as James Walker deceased occ Boatman. The Stratfull family are in the 1911 census including Lilian Mary (Lily) and Blanche Elizabeth ( the baby from 1901). She was born around 1862 in Brinklow. They are living at Buckby Wharf.
Isobel
hi can I ask who was Emily first husband and did they have kids together and what was her mother's name.
Kirsty about 3/4 years ago I gave you a lot of info & contacts on our share Hambrige boat people in Coventry & Brentford amongst that info was this on may 30th 1910 at the church in Long Buckby William Harvy Stratfull a 40 year old bachelor occupation Labourer a resident of Whilton son of Charles Stratfull a Lock Keeper married Emily ann Morris a 48 year old widow from Buckby Wharf daughter of James Walker a deceased Boat man both signed their names but the whitness names where not readable due to damage on the page I even sent you a picture of the church .
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Emily Walker/Morris remarried as a widow in 1910 in Northants to William Harry Stratfull. She gives her father as James Walker deceased occ Boatman. The Stratfull family are in the 1911 census including Lilian Mary (Lily) and Blanche Elizabeth ( the baby from 1901). She was born around 1862 in Brinklow. They are living at Buckby Wharf.
Isobel
hi can I ask who was Emily first husband and did they have kids together and what was her mother's name.
George Herbert Walker was baptised in 1886 in Brinklow, Warwickshire. This provides the information that his mother was Emily Walker, a single woman. No father is named.
1881 census for Brinklow has an Emily Walker age 18, daughter of James and Mary Ann Walker. She is likely to be the mother of George Herbert Walker.
In 1891 George is living in Stockton, Warwickshire with his mother Emily and a sister called Rose ( born as Rose Morris with mmn Walker in Brinklow in 1888). Emily, George and Rose all have the surname Morris and Emily indicates that she is married, but her husband is not present.
In 1901 Emily ( still using the name Morris and claiming to be married) is living in Brinklow. Rose and George are not with her but she has three other children - Charles age 6, Lily age 1 and an unnamed infant. The births of all these children are registered as Morris with mmn Walker. No husband is present.
There is no record of a marriage between Emily and someone called Morris and it is likely they were never married. The only clue to the name of Mr Morris comes from the 1910 marriage certificate of daughter Rose, which names her father as Charles Morris, Boatman ( deceased).
Emily married in 1910 in Northants to William Harry Stratfull. She calls herself a widow and married under the name Morris. She gives her father as James Walker, Boatman (deceased) The family are at Buckby Wharf, Northants in the 1911 census. William Harry and Emily have surname Stratfull ( married one year) There are four Morris children living with them - Lilian Mary (Lily) and Blanche Elizabeth ( the baby from 1901) plus Ethel born 1903 and Leonard born 1905. The latter two children are also recorded as surname Morris mmn Walker.
So to summarise, Emily Walker appears to have had seven children
George Herbert Walker (father unknown)
Rose ( father Charles Morris)
Charles ( father probably Charles Morris)
Lilian Mary (Lily)( father probably Charles Morris)
Blanche Elizabeth ( father probably Charles Morris)
Ethel ( father probably Charles Morris)
Leonard ( father probably Charles Morris)
It appears unlikely that Emily was actually ever married to Charles Morris.
Isobel
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Emily Walker/Morris remarried as a widow in 1910 in Northants to William Harry Stratfull. She gives her father as James Walker deceased occ Boatman. The Stratfull family are in the 1911 census including Lilian Mary (Lily) and Blanche Elizabeth ( the baby from 1901). She was born around 1862 in Brinklow. They are living at Buckby Wharf.
Isobel
hi can I ask who was Emily first husband and did they have kids together and what was her mother's name.
George Herbert Walker was baptised in 1886 in Brinklow, Warwickshire. This provides the information that his mother was Emily Walker, a single woman. No father is named.
1881 census for Brinklow has an Emily Walker age 18, daughter of James and Mary Ann Walker. She is likely to be the mother of George Herbert Walker.
In 1891 George is living in Stockton, Warwickshire with his mother Emily and a sister called Rose ( born as Rose Morris with mmn Walker in Brinklow in 1888). Emily, George and Rose all have the surname Morris and Emily indicates that she is married, but her husband is not present.
In 1901 Emily ( still using the name Morris and claiming to be married) is living in Brinklow. Rose and George are not with her but she has three other children - Charles age 6, Lily age 1 and an unnamed infant. The births of all these children are registered as Morris with mmn Walker. No husband is present.
There is no record of a marriage between Emily and someone called Morris and it is likely they were never married. The only clue to the name of Mr Morris comes from the 1910 marriage certificate of daughter Rose, which names her father as Charles Morris, Boatman ( deceased).
Emily married in 1910 in Northants to William Harry Stratfull. She calls herself a widow and married under the name Morris. She gives her father as James Walker, Boatman (deceased) The family are at Buckby Wharf, Northants in the 1911 census. William Harry and Emily have surname Stratfull ( married one year) There are four Morris children living with them - Lilian Mary (Lily) and Blanche Elizabeth ( the baby from 1901) plus Ethel born 1903 and Leonard born 1905. The latter two children are also recorded as surname Morris mmn Walker.
So to summarise, Emily Walker appears to have had seven children
George Herbert Walker (father unknown)
Rose ( father Charles Morris)
Charles ( father probably Charles Morris)
Lilian Mary (Lily)( father probably Charles Morris)
Blanche Elizabeth ( father probably Charles Morris)
Ethel ( father probably Charles Morris)
Leonard ( father probably Charles Morris)
It appears unlikely that Emily was actually ever married to Charles Morris.
Isobel
thank you so much. Can I ask where was Charles walker and Mary born and married at and did they have any other children other then Emily
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Emily Walker/Morris remarried as a widow in 1910 in Northants to William Harry Stratfull. She gives her father as James Walker deceased occ Boatman. The Stratfull family are in the 1911 census including Lilian Mary (Lily) and Blanche Elizabeth ( the baby from 1901). She was born around 1862 in Brinklow. They are living at Buckby Wharf.
Isobel
hi can I ask who was Emily first husband and did they have kids together and what was her mother's name.
George Herbert Walker was baptised in 1886 in Brinklow, Warwickshire. This provides the information that his mother was Emily Walker, a single woman. No father is named.
1881 census for Brinklow has an Emily Walker age 18, daughter of James and Mary Ann Walker. She is likely to be the mother of George Herbert Walker.
In 1891 George is living in Stockton, Warwickshire with his mother Emily and a sister called Rose ( born as Rose Morris with mmn Walker in Brinklow in 1888). Emily, George and Rose all have the surname Morris and Emily indicates that she is married, but her husband is not present.
In 1901 Emily ( still using the name Morris and claiming to be married) is living in Brinklow. Rose and George are not with her but she has three other children - Charles age 6, Lily age 1 and an unnamed infant. The births of all these children are registered as Morris with mmn Walker. No husband is present.
There is no record of a marriage between Emily and someone called Morris and it is likely they were never married. The only clue to the name of Mr Morris comes from the 1910 marriage certificate of daughter Rose, which names her father as Charles Morris, Boatman ( deceased).
Emily married in 1910 in Northants to William Harry Stratfull. She calls herself a widow and married under the name Morris. She gives her father as James Walker, Boatman (deceased) The family are at Buckby Wharf, Northants in the 1911 census. William Harry and Emily have surname Stratfull ( married one year) There are four Morris children living with them - Lilian Mary (Lily) and Blanche Elizabeth ( the baby from 1901) plus Ethel born 1903 and Leonard born 1905. The latter two children are also recorded as surname Morris mmn Walker.
So to summarise, Emily Walker appears to have had seven children
George Herbert Walker (father unknown)
Rose ( father Charles Morris)
Charles ( father probably Charles Morris)
Lilian Mary (Lily)( father probably Charles Morris)
Blanche Elizabeth ( father probably Charles Morris)
Ethel ( father probably Charles Morris)
Leonard ( father probably Charles Morris)
It appears unlikely that Emily was actually ever married to Charles Morris.
Isobel
thank you so much. Can I ask where was Charles walker and Mary born and married at and did they have any other children other then Emily
hi is there anyway that the Charles Morris could of been my great grandfather dad
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I assume you mean James ( not Charles) Walker and Mary Ann.
Emily Ann Walker was born in 1863 in Brinklow. As far as I can see from census returns she was one of 12 children of James Walker and Mary Ann nee Gresley/Greasley. James Walker married Mary Ann Gresley on 16th December 1861 at Bordesley St Andrew, Warwickshire ( certificate viewable on Ancestry).He was age 32 and his occupation was Boatman ( although he appears as a Labourer on some of the census returns). His father was James Walker, a Tallow Maker. Mary Ann was 21, the daughter of Joseph Gresley, a Labourer.
Siblings of Emily were -
James born 1860 with surname Greasley ( pre marriage)
Emily Ann born 1863
Alice born 1864
George born 1866 died 1870
Lizzy born 1868 ( seems also to have been known as Lucy and Elizabeth)
Sarah Ann born 1870
Frederick born 1871 died 1872
Annie 1872
Edward 1874
Harry born 1875 died 1876
Beatrice Louisa 1876
Herbert 1878
James Walker was born about 1829 in Brinklow and Mary Ann Walker nee Gresley was born 1839/40 also in Brinklow.
Regarding your question about the possibility of Charles Morris being the father of George Herbert Walker. It is possible, but unfortunately I’m not sure how you would prove this conclusively as there is no father’s name on his birth or baptism.
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I was looking to see what happened to Rose Morris ( b1888) and have just found her living with her father Charles Morris in 1901. They are onboard the canal boat Evelyn at Stoke on Trent. Charles was age 50 ( so born about 1851) and his place of birth is Stockton Brook, Staffordshire. His occupation was Boatman (Barge).
Isobel
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I was looking to see what happened to Rose Morris ( b1888) and have just found her living with her father Charles Morris in 1901. They are onboard the canal boat Evelyn at Stoke on Trent. Charles was age 50 ( so born about 1851) and his place of birth is Stockton Brook, Staffordshire. His occupation was Boatman (Barge).
Isobel
did Emily ever live with her partner
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They never appear together on the census, but that is only one day every ten years. There is no way of knowing what was happening on all the other days. Charles job as a canal boatman would obviously take him away from home a lot of the time and it may be that he was simply away working on each census night. We certainly know that he was away on his boat in 1901, but the fact he had his daughter with him suggests that he was part of the family group.
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They never appear together on the census, but that is only one day every ten years. There is no way of knowing what was happening on all the other days. Charles job as a canal boatman would obviously take him away from home a lot of the time and it may be that he was simply away working on each census night. We certainly know that he was away on his boat in 1901, but the fact he had his daughter with him suggests that he was part of the family group.
my mum has told me that her dad Joseph Samuel Hambridge and my nan Hannah Walker use to live on the canal with there children who have passed away they was called Joseph William Hambridge Ron or Ronald Hambridge and my mum reckons my nan had a baby called Lenny Hambridge there is only my auntie left but she is loosing her mind a bit and my mum is the youngest as my nan had her when she was about 40 something
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Have you looked at 1939 for parents Joseph and Hannah, possibly only one child might be listed, Joseph their first born
Louisa Maud
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Emily Walker/Morris remarried as a widow in 1910 in Northants to William Harry Stratfull. She gives her father as James Walker deceased occ Boatman. The Stratfull family are in the 1911 census including Lilian Mary (Lily) and Blanche Elizabeth ( the baby from 1901). She was born around 1862 in Brinklow. They are living at Buckby Wharf.
Isobel
hi can I ask who was Emily first husband and did they have kids together and what was her mother's name.
hi do you no if Emily went back to walker or Morris and do you no the year and month William and Charles died. And do you no if Charles and Emily children ever married.
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Walker was Emily’s maiden name. Can’t find an obvious death for Charles Morris ( presumably before 1910 when Emily remarried). William Henry Stratfull died in Daventry in 1940 (3b 268) and he was predeceased by Emily who died in Daventry in 1936 ( 3b 105).
Isobel
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Only definite birth I can find for children of Emily is that of Rose Morris to Alfred Henry Collins in 1910. They married in Norton Northamptonshire on 9th May 1910. Her father is given as Charles Morris ( deceased). Rose and Alfred had at least two children as they are listed with them in 1939 - Charles J in 1917 and Ethel M in 1919. There are other possible Collins births with mmn Morris in the Daventry Reg district which you can view on FreeBMD. Ethel M appears to have married someone called Nolan in 1948. There is also a Raymond H Collins ( b 1930) listed in 1939 whose mmn was Collins ( probably a grandchild of Rose and Albert).
Isobel
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Walker was Emily’s maiden name. Can’t find an obvious death for Charles Morris ( presumably before 1910 when Emily remarried). William Henry Stratfull died in Daventry in 1940 (3b 268) and he was predeceased by Emily who died in Daventry in 1936 ( 3b 105).
Isobel
I googled the meaning of predeceased so I'm just wondering does the word predeceased mean that William had a will and did William ever marry any body else other then Emily
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Only definite birth I can find for children of Emily is that of Rose Morris to Alfred Henry Collins in 1910. They married in Norton Northamptonshire on 9th May 1910. Her father is given as Charles Morris ( deceased). Rose and Alfred had at least two children as they are listed with them in 1939 - Charles J in 1917 and Ethel M in 1919. There are other possible Collins births with mmn Morris in the Daventry Reg district which you can view on FreeBMD. Ethel M appears to have married someone called Nolan in 1948. There is also a Raymond H Collins ( b 1930) listed in 1939 whose mmn was Collins ( probably a grandchild of Rose and Albert).
Isobel
I take it there might be some collins family alive today. I have done some researching on the gresley family on google and im just wondering if I could be related to Sir Herbert Nigel Gresley or just wondering if there might be a connectionto that family.
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Only definite birth I can find for children of Emily is that of Rose Morris to Alfred Henry Collins in 1910. They married in Norton Northamptonshire on 9th May 1910. Her father is given as Charles Morris ( deceased). Rose and Alfred had at least two children as they are listed with them in 1939 - Charles J in 1917 and Ethel M in 1919. There are other possible Collins births with mmn Morris in the Daventry Reg district which you can view on FreeBMD. Ethel M appears to have married someone called Nolan in 1948. There is also a Raymond H Collins ( b 1930) listed in 1939 whose mmn was Collins ( probably a grandchild of Rose and Albert).
Isobel
I take it there might be some collins family alive today. I have done some researching on the gresley family on google and im just wondering if I could be related to Sir Herbert Nigel Gresley or just wondering if there might be a connectionto that family.
im just wondering if I could be related to Sir Herbert Nigel Gresley considering emily mum was a gresley before she got married.
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WHERE & WHEN was this Emily born, and what was Emily's maiden name?
How do you get Emily's mother's maiden name?
and what relationship exists between YOU and Emily?
(and to be blunt, any chance of Sir Gresley being related to another family of the same name in the English Midlands is pretty remote). Herbert Nigel Gresley. Born: 19 June 1876, Edinburgh
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PaulineJ - please see my replies #68 and #71 which provide information re Emily.
Isobel
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WHERE & WHEN was this Emily born, and what was Emily's maiden name?
How do you get Emily's mother's maiden name?
and what relationship exists between YOU and Emily?
(and to be blunt, any chance of Sir Gresley being related to another family of the same name in the English Midlands is pretty remote). Herbert Nigel Gresley. Born: 19 June 1876, Edinburgh
I copied and pasted this so you can see for yourself. Which is why I asked the question about sir gresley.
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I assume you mean James ( not Charles) Walker and Mary Ann.
Emily Ann Walker was born in 1863 in Brinklow. As far as I can see from census returns she was one of 12 children of James Walker and Mary Ann nee Gresley/Greasley. James Walker married Mary Ann Gresley on 16th December 1861 at Bordesley St Andrew, Warwickshire ( certificate viewable on Ancestry).He was age 32 and his occupation was Boatman ( although he appears as a Labourer on some of the census returns). His father was James Walker, a Tallow Maker. Mary Ann was 21, the daughter of Joseph Gresley, a Labourer.
Siblings of Emily were -
James born 1860 with surname Greasley ( pre marriage)
Emily Ann born 1863
Alice born 1864
George born 1866 died 1870
Lizzy born 1868 ( seems also to have been known as Lucy and Elizabeth)
Sarah Ann born 1870
Frederick born 1871 died 1872
Annie 1872
Edward 1874
Harry born 1875 died 1876
Beatrice Louisa 1876
Herbert 1878
James Walker was born about 1829 in Brinklow and Mary Ann Walker nee Gresley was born 1839/40 also in Brinklow.
Regarding your question about the possibility of Charles Morris being the father of George Herbert Walker. It is possible, but unfortunately I’m not sure how you would prove this conclusively as there is no father’s name on his birth or baptism.
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WHERE & WHEN was this Emily born, and what was Emily's maiden name?
How do you get Emily's mother's maiden name?
and what relationship exists between YOU and Emily?
(and to be blunt, any chance of Sir Gresley being related to another family of the same name in the English Midlands is pretty remote). Herbert Nigel Gresley. Born: 19 June 1876, Edinburgh
I copied and pasted this so you can see for yourself. Which is why I asked the question about sir gresley.
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I assume you mean James ( not Charles) Walker and Mary Ann.
Emily Ann Walker was born in 1863 in Brinklow. As far as I can see from census returns she was one of 12 children of James Walker and Mary Ann nee Gresley/Greasley. James Walker married Mary Ann Gresley on 16th December 1861 at Bordesley St Andrew, Warwickshire ( certificate viewable on Ancestry).He was age 32 and his occupation was Boatman ( although he appears as a Labourer on some of the census returns). His father was James Walker, a Tallow Maker. Mary Ann was 21, the daughter of Joseph Gresley, a Labourer.
Siblings of Emily were -
James born 1860 with surname Greasley ( pre marriage)
Emily Ann born 1863
Alice born 1864
George born 1866 died 1870
Lizzy born 1868 ( seems also to have been known as Lucy and Elizabeth)
Sarah Ann born 1870
Frederick born 1871 died 1872
Annie 1872
Edward 1874
Harry born 1875 died 1876
Beatrice Louisa 1876
Herbert 1878
James Walker was born about 1829 in Brinklow and Mary Ann Walker nee Gresley was born 1839/40 also in Brinklow.
Regarding your question about the possibility of Charles Morris being the father of George Herbert Walker. It is possible, but unfortunately I’m not sure how you would prove this conclusively as there is no father’s name on his birth or baptism.
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WHERE & WHEN was this Emily born, and what was Emily's maiden name?
How do you get Emily's mother's maiden name?
and what relationship exists between YOU and Emily?
(and to be blunt, any chance of Sir Gresley being related to another family of the same name in the English Midlands is pretty remote). Herbert Nigel Gresley. Born: 19 June 1876, Edinburgh
I copied and pasted this so you can see for yourself. Which is why I asked the question about sir gresley.
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I assume you mean James ( not Charles) Walker and Mary Ann.
Emily Ann Walker was born in 1863 in Brinklow. As far as I can see from census returns she was one of 12 children of James Walker and Mary Ann nee Gresley/Greasley. James Walker married Mary Ann Gresley on 16th December 1861 at Bordesley St Andrew, Warwickshire ( certificate viewable on Ancestry).He was age 32 and his occupation was Boatman ( although he appears as a Labourer on some of the census returns). His father was James Walker, a Tallow Maker. Mary Ann was 21, the daughter of Joseph Gresley, a Labourer.
Siblings of Emily were -
James born 1860 with surname Greasley ( pre marriage)
Emily Ann born 1863
Alice born 1864
George born 1866 died 1870
Lizzy born 1868 ( seems also to have been known as Lucy and Elizabeth)
Sarah Ann born 1870
Frederick born 1871 died 1872
Annie 1872
Edward 1874
Harry born 1875 died 1876
Beatrice Louisa 1876
Herbert 1878
James Walker was born about 1829 in Brinklow and Mary Ann Walker nee Gresley was born 1839/40 also in Brinklow.
Regarding your question about the possibility of Charles Morris being the father of George Herbert Walker. It is possible, but unfortunately I’m not sure how you would prove this conclusively as there is no father’s name on his birth or baptism.
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hi I'm trying to find the death year of Emma Hambridge apparently she was a Emma Walker before she came to a Hambridge I camed across the year she was born 1861/1862 in Banbury, UK she married my 3 times great grandfather thomas Hambridge
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Only definite birth I can find for children of Emily is that of Rose Morris to Alfred Henry Collins in 1910. They married in Norton Northamptonshire on 9th May 1910. Her father is given as Charles Morris ( deceased). Rose and Alfred had at least two children as they are listed with them in 1939 - Charles J in 1917 and Ethel M in 1919. There are other possible Collins births with mmn Morris in the Daventry Reg district which you can view on FreeBMD. Ethel M appears to have married someone called Nolan in 1948. There is also a Raymond H Collins ( b 1930) listed in 1939 whose mmn was Collins ( probably a grandchild of Rose and Albert).
Isobel
I take it there might be some collins family alive today. I have done some researching on the gresley family on google and im just wondering if I could be related to Sir Herbert Nigel Gresley or just wondering if there might be a connectionto that family.
im just wondering if I could be related to Sir Herbert Nigel Gresley considering emily mum was a gresley before she got married.
hi there I can't seem to find the death year of Ethel and but what I did find is her husband first name Timothy the both married in 1940's
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You can search the death indexes for Emma Hambridge yourself.
She appears to be alive in 1911, so look after then.
(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWZJ-9D7
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Hi all on the " Other thread" re this family on that 1911 above, I would love to know who the mother was of the "Fred" Hambridge bc 1897/8 Bradell? Berkshire shown as son?
I know so much more about this family, especially the William who married a Sarah Ann Thompson
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Hi all on the " Other thread" re this family on that 1911 above, I would love to know who the mother was of the "Fred" Hambridge bc 1897/8 Bradell? Berkshire shown as son?
I know so much more about this family, especially the William who married a Sarah Ann Thompson
Keyboard86
hi I don't no if this would help but Thomas Hambridge and Emma maiden name walker had 3 sons William Hambridge Bertie Hambridge and john Hambridge and a daughter called Emily Saunders maiden name Hambridge William is my great grandfather who married a Sarah Ann Thompson they had 3 sons and 2 daughters they was called William Hambridge born in dec 18th 1913 died 1993 my grandad Joseph Samuel Hambridge 20th of April 1915 died around the summer off 1992 and there was a Fred Hambridge Olivia and Evelyn Hambridge sorry I don't know when they was born or when they have died as I can't find the birth year and death year.
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Hi all on the " Other thread" re this family on that 1911 above, I would love to know who the mother was of the "Fred" Hambridge bc 1897/8 Bradell? Berkshire shown as son?
I know so much more about this family, especially the William who married a Sarah Ann Thompson
Keyboard86
hi I don't no if this would help but Thomas Hambridge and Emma maiden name walker had 3 sons William Hambridge Bertie Hambridge and john Hambridge and a daughter called Emily Saunders maiden name Hambridge William is my great grandfather who married a Sarah Ann Thompson they had 3 sons and 2 daughters they was called William Hambridge born in dec 18th 1913 died 1993 my grandad Joseph Samuel Hambridge 20th of April 1915 died around the summer off 1992 and there was a Fred Hambridge Olivia and Evelyn Hambridge sorry I don't know when they was born or when they have died as I can't find the birth year and death year. My granddad Joseph Samuel Hambridge married my nan Hannah walker.
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Hi all on the " Other thread" re this family on that 1911 above, I would love to know who the mother was of the "Fred" Hambridge bc 1897/8 Bradell? Berkshire shown as son?
I know so much more about this family, especially the William who married a Sarah Ann Thompson
Keyboard86
hi I don't no if this would help but Thomas Hambridge and Emma maiden name walker had 3 sons William Hambridge Bertie Hambridge and john Hambridge and a daughter called Emily Saunders maiden name Hambridge William is my great grandfather who married a Sarah Ann Thompson they had 3 sons and 2 daughters they was called William Hambridge born in dec 18th 1913 died 1993 my grandad Joseph Samuel Hambridge 20th of April 1915 died around the summer off 1992 and there was a Fred Hambridge Olivia and Evelyn Hambridge sorry I don't know when they was born or when they have died as I can't find the birth year and death year. My granddad Joseph Samuel Hambridge married my nan Hannah walker and I'm there youngest grand daughter.
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Hi all on the " Other thread" re this family on that 1911 above, I would love to know who the mother was of the "Fred" Hambridge bc 1897/8 Bradell? Berkshire shown as son?
I know so much more about this family, especially the William who married a Sarah Ann Thompson
Keyboard86
hi I don't no if this would help but Thomas Hambridge and Emma maiden name walker had 3 sons William Hambridge Bertie Hambridge and john Hambridge and a daughter called Emily Saunders maiden name Hambridge William is my great grandfather who married a Sarah Ann Thompson they had 3 sons and 2 daughters they was called William Hambridge born in dec 18th 1913 died 1993 my grandad Joseph Samuel Hambridge 20th of April 1915 died around the summer off 1992 and there was a Fred Hambridge Olivia and Evelyn Hambridge sorry I don't know when they was born or when they have died as I can't find the birth year and death year. My granddad Joseph Samuel Hambridge married my nan Hannah walker and I'm there youngest grand daughter.
My mum once had a photo of my great grandfather William Hambridge and my grandad and one of he's brother they was very tall but my mum reckons my great grandfather might of been about 6 foot tall as he was tall then my grandad Joseph Samuel Hambridge
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Hi all on the " Other thread" re this family on that 1911 above, I would love to know who the mother was of the "Fred" Hambridge bc 1897/8 Bradell? Berkshire shown as son?
I know so much more about this family, especially the William who married a Sarah Ann Thompson
Keyboard86
hi I don't no if this would help but Thomas Hambridge and Emma maiden name walker had 3 sons William Hambridge Bertie Hambridge and john Hambridge and a daughter called Emily Saunders maiden name Hambridge William is my great grandfather who married a Sarah Ann Thompson they had 3 sons and 2 daughters they was called William Hambridge born in dec 18th 1913 died 1993 my grandad Joseph Samuel Hambridge 20th of April 1915 died around the summer off 1992 and there was a Fred Hambridge Olivia and Evelyn Hambridge sorry I don't know when they was born or when they have died as I can't find the birth year and death year. My granddad Joseph Samuel Hambridge married my nan Hannah walker and I'm there youngest grand daughter.
My mum once had a photo of my great grandfather William Hambridge and my grandad and one of he's brother they was very tall but my mum reckons my great grandfather might of been about 6 foot tall as he was tall then my grandad Joseph Samuel Hambridge
hi can you help me I'm trying to find the birth and death date of my great grandfather niece husband Timothy Nolan who married a Ethel m Collins in 1948
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Hi all on the " Other thread" re this family on that 1911 above, I would love to know who the mother was of the "Fred" Hambridge bc 1897/8 Bradell? Berkshire shown as son?
I know so much more about this family, especially the William who married a Sarah Ann Thompson
Keyboard86
hi I don't no if this would help but Thomas Hambridge and Emma maiden name walker had 3 sons William Hambridge Bertie Hambridge and john Hambridge and a daughter called Emily Saunders maiden name Hambridge William is my great grandfather who married a Sarah Ann Thompson they had 3 sons and 2 daughters they was called William Hambridge born in dec 18th 1913 died 1993 my grandad Joseph Samuel Hambridge 20th of April 1915 died around the summer off 1992 and there was a Fred Hambridge Olivia and Evelyn Hambridge sorry I don't know when they was born or when they have died as I can't find the birth year and death year. My granddad Joseph Samuel Hambridge married my nan Hannah walker and I'm there youngest grand daughter.
My mum once had a photo of my great grandfather William Hambridge and my grandad and one of he's brother they was very tall but my mum reckons my great grandfather might of been about 6 foot tall as he was tall then my grandad Joseph Samuel Hambridge
hi can you help me I'm trying to find the birth and death date of my great grandfather niece husband Timothy Nolan who married a Ethel m Collins in 1948
hi I'm trying to out some information on Mary Ann walker who would of been my 7th great grandmother born in or around 1840 she married my 7th great grandfather James walker
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If you look at my earlier answer on this thread ( # 71) you will see that Mary Ann had the maiden name Gresley/Greasley and was born around 1840 in Brinklow ( information gleaned from the census and the gro entries for the birth of her children). She may be the Mary Ann Greasley born in Rugby Reg district ( which includes Brinklow) in 1840. If so, her mother’s maiden name was Newcom(be). She appears from the 1841 census to be the daughter of Joseph Greasley and Anne Newcomb who married in Brinkley in 1838. Joseph and Ann had a few children born in Rugby district in the 1840’s ( Mary Ann ( 1840), John ( 1843), Sarah (1845), Joseph (1847), Richard (1849) and Elizabeth (1850). Surname appears as Greasley/Gresley/Griesley depending on source record.
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If you look at my earlier answer on this thread ( # 71) you will see that Mary Ann had the maiden name Gresley/Greasley and was born around 1840 in Brinklow ( information gleaned from the census and the gro entries for the birth of her children). She may be the Mary Ann Greasley born in Rugby Reg district ( which includes Brinklow) in 1840. If so, her mother’s maiden name was Newcom(be). She appears from the 1841 census to be the daughter of Joseph Greasley and Anne Newcomb who married in Brinkley in 1838. Joseph and Ann had a few children born in Rugby district in the 1840’s ( Mary Ann ( 1840), John ( 1843), Sarah (1845), Joseph (1847), Richard (1849) and Elizabeth (1850). Surname appears as Greasley/Gresley/Griesley depending on source record.
hi there you was correct but also a bit wrong because I did say Mary Ann walker world of been my great great great great grandmother she married James walker and they had a daughter called may Martha Walker decease 1878 her son James walker who married a mary Ann gresley born 1840 so the Mary I was on about was
May Martha Walker mum this is one I was on about
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I am really very confused by your post. Are you looking for information on the Mary who was married to James Walker ( Tallow Chandler). This James and Mary were the parents of the James who married Mary Ann Greasley. In 1841 the family were living in Brinklow. Included in the family was a Thomas Walker age 3. There is a likely gro birth reference for him which gives his mmn as Sanders. Ancestry have a banns entry for a marriage between James Walker and Mary Sanders in 1825 in Brinklow.
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Hi there I'm trying to find the birth year of my great nan Sarah Ann Thompson she met and married William hambridge who was born to a Thomas hambridge and Emma walker. Now William hambridge was born in 1883 but died in 1964 but he's wife my great nan Sarah Ann Thompson who I do not have the birth year for died in 1947 her father name was Wilfred Thompson and mother name was Ann Thompson I do have a marriage certificate for William hambridge and Sarah Thompson they got married in register office in Nuneaton on June 10th 1910 but I'm not good at my maths and I would like a little bit of help to find out where Sarah Ann Thompson was born
Considering I have tried to find her birth parents marriage and her birth mum's maiden name and I can't find anything so therefore I don't know where Sarah Ann Thompson was born
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She was 62 when she died in 1947 making her born around 1884/5. From her place of birth (Wilncote, Warwickshire) in 1911 it looks like she is the Sarah Ann Thompson born in June quarter 1885 in Tamworth Reg district ( which covers Wilncote). Gro index shows her mother’s maiden name to be Allton. A Wilfred Thompson married an Ann Allton in Tamworth Reg district in 1884. Father’s name is a match for what you have. Sarah is with her parents in 1891. Wilfred is a Coal Miner, age 30, born Witherley, Warwickshire and Ann is age 28 born Harthill, Warwickshire. There are two other children - William H age 2 and Emily M
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She was 62 when she died in 1947 making her born around 1884/5. From her place of birth (Wilncote, Warwickshire) in 1911 it looks like she is the Sarah Ann Thompson born in June quarter 1885 in Tamworth Reg district ( which covers Wilncote). Gro index shows her mother’s maiden name to be Allton. A Wilfred Thompson married an Ann Allton in Tamworth Reg district in 1884. Father’s name is a match for what you have. Sarah is with her parents in 1891. Wilfred is a Coal Miner, age 30, born Witherley, Warwickshire and Ann is age 28 born Harthill, Warwickshire. There are two other children - William H age 2 and Emily M
hi I'm just wondering if William h and Emily m are siblings to Sarah Ann Thompson.
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Yes they were. There were ten children in all ( two died young).
Sarah Ann 1885
Elizabeth Hannah 1886 died 1887
William Henry 1888
Emily May 1890
Sarah, William H and Emily M appear in the 1891 census with their parents
Thomas Joseph ( known as Joseph) 1892
Eliza Harriett 1894
Selina Mary 1897
Wilfred 1899 died 1900
Sarah,William,Emily, Joseph, Selina and Eliza appear with their parents in 1901
Alfred 1902
Rose Ann 1905
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Hi can I have your help please I'm trying to find my great great grandmother Mary Jane byfield born Ladd's born 1863 died 1939 I'm trying to find the name of her birth mother all I no is that her birth mother unknown name married a Joseph Ladd's that is all the information I have so can I please have some help please
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What area please?
Louisa Maud
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Mary Jane Ladds wed in 1881 Warwickshire. (St. Peter & St. Paul, Aston)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NF88-2P3
This would appear to be the 1871 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRFM-53D
and the 1861 Census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWMM-JLV
LADDS, WILLIAM WHEELER 1855 M Quarter in BANBURY UNION Volume 03A Page 591
LADDS, JOSEPH WHEELER 1856 D Quarter in BANBURY UNION Volume 03A Page 594
LADDS, SAMUEL WHEELER 1860 M Quarter in BANBURY UNION Volume 03A Page 682
LADDS, MARY JANE WHEELER 1862 M Quarter in GRANTHAM Volume 07A Page 425
I think Joseph may have re-married between 1871-1881.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27N-6KY5 (1881 census)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGDK-63F4 (1875 marriage of joseph (as a widower))
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Hi can I have your help please I'm trying to find my great great grandmother Mary Jane byfield born Ladd's born 1863 died 1939 I'm trying to find the name of her birth mother all I no is that her birth mother unknown name married a Joseph Ladd's that is all the information I have so can I please have some help please
I'm trying to work out who is Mary Jane Byfield born ladds mother name
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PaulineJ has given you this information in her post above. She was Elizabeth Wheeler. Joseph Ladds married Elizabeth in Banbury in 1854. Mary Jane was born in Grantham in 1862.
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PaulineJ has given you this information in her post above. She was Elizabeth Wheeler. Joseph Ladds married Elizabeth in Banbury in 1854. Mary Jane was born in Grantham in 1862.
I didn't see the name Elizabeth which was what I asked for but thank you
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Can someone please help me out with this topic that I would like to crack. I put snap shots of my family tree of my grandfather Joseph Samuel hambridge born 20/4/15 he married my nan Hannah walker in Brentford Middlesex. My grandfather was born in wharf branston a longside with he's older brother William hambridge 18/12/13 who was born in wharf branston my grandad had other siblings Evelyn hambridge born 2/3/07 olive rose below born hambridge 21/2/18 Wilfred hambridge 24/1/20. But anyway my great grandfather William hambridge was born 1883-1964 and my great grandmother Sarah Ann Thompson 1886 -1947 my great great grandfather Thomas hambridge born 1855 and Emma walker born 1862 and her dad name was John walker and he's wife name was Sarah walker born jellyman.
Now I put my family tree up on Facebook national waterways museum. And someone told me I'm related to David Hambridge who lived on a double decker bus on Barlows Braunston Yard. Which does make sense in away as my grandad Joseph Samuel hambridge was born in whafe braunston but I would like to know if there is at all relation between me and this guy call David hambridge apparently he is related to James born 1804 and he's wife was Elizabeth lines 1805 so I would love to know if there is at all a connections to the all of the families above
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William Hambridge Marriage Sarah Ann Thompson
Nuneaton, Warwickshire
Apr-May-Jun 1910 Vol 6D Page 676
There is a family tree which I have not viewed.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/154568452/person/422040435338
Since you have been told "David Hambridge lived on a double-decker bus" we may assume that he's fairly recently (last 50 years?) been alive, but there's NO WAY we can make any links out of what you've repeated about the family.
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Hi again, a possible David aged 12 b BRANSTON is with siblings and parents Thomas Hambridge 37 occ Boatman and wife Eliza on Canal Boat Boon's Yard
RG13/2902/115/32?
He could be the David AMBRIDGE June qtr 1889 Daventry for which I cannot locate on GRO Index?
David Hambridge b 1889 died Sept qtr 1964 Rugby aged 75 he was baptised 15th September 1889 Braunston ( No image available )
Keyboard86
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http://nurser.co.uk/the-boatyard/employees-at-the-dock/david-hambridge/index.html
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Hi again, a possible David aged 12 b BRANSTON is with siblings and parents Thomas Hambridge 37 occ Boatman and wife Eliza on Canal Boat Boon's Yard
RG13/2902/115/32?
He could be the David AMBRIDGE June qtr 1889 Daventry for which I cannot locate on GRO Index?
David Hambridge b 1889 died Sept qtr 1964 Rugby aged 75 he was baptised 15th September 1889 Braunston ( No image available )
Keyboard86
Kirsty are you verifying all the results/census we have supplied?
David 1889 was the son of Thomas who married an Eliza Coles, his father from census was William who in turn had a father James who married an Elizabeth Verey Dec qtr 1847 Woodstock?
This I am certain is old information?
Keyboard86
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Hi again, a possible David aged 12 b BRANSTON is with siblings and parents Thomas Hambridge 37 occ Boatman and wife Eliza on Canal Boat Boon's Yard
RG13/2902/115/32?
He could be the David AMBRIDGE June qtr 1889 Daventry for which I cannot locate on GRO Index?
David Hambridge b 1889 died Sept qtr 1964 Rugby aged 75 he was baptised 15th September 1889 Braunston ( No image available )
Keyboard86
Kirsty are you verifying all the results/census we have supplied?
David 1889 was the son of Thomas who married an Eliza Coles, his father from census was William who in turn had a father James who married an Elizabeth Verey Dec qtr 1847 Woodstock?
This I am certain is old information?
Keyboard86
yes but this is what I'm trying to work out could this David hambridge be I. E a cousin or uncle to my great great grand father Thomas hambridge born Banbury in 1855 and died 1923 he married my great great grandmother Emma walker born in Banbury in 1862 and I don't no when she died but what I do no is she married my great great grandfather in 1882. I'm just trying to work out how David hambridge could be related to my great great grandfather Thomas hambridge
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Hi I'm stuck I camed a cross one of my many great granddad James walker who was born around December 1811 and died 1876 but I can not find the marriage year for when James married Margaret greig as I tried looking on myHeritage and findmypast so I be so grateful if you could help me thank you
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You don’t say where this marriage might have occurred Kirsty, but there is a tree which has a couple by those names and James with the right dates. This tree has them marrying 8 June 1832, Tranent, East Lothian.
You can see the images relating to this family on Scotland’s people
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Hi I'm trying to find the name of Joseph green born 1752 and died 1809 as I can't find the names of he's mother and father online and im also trying to find the names of Ann Allen born 1756 and died 1823 I cant find the names of there mother and father but what I do no is Joseph and Ann married in Meriden warks 30th of April
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Hi I'm trying to find the name of Joseph green born 1752 and died 1809 as I can't find the names of he's mother and father online and im also trying to find the names of Ann Allen born 1756 and died 1823 I cant find the names of there mother and father but what I do no is Joseph and Ann married in Meriden warks 30th of April
There are now 2 other threads on this couple and people have posted information about them.
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Mary Jane Ladds wed in 1881 Warwickshire. (St. Peter & St. Paul, Aston)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NF88-2P3
This would appear to be the 1871 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRFM-53D
and the 1861 Census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWMM-JLV
LADDS, WILLIAM WHEELER 1855 M Quarter in BANBURY UNION Volume 03A Page 591
LADDS, JOSEPH WHEELER 1856 D Quarter in BANBURY UNION Volume 03A Page 594
LADDS, SAMUEL WHEELER 1860 M Quarter in BANBURY UNION Volume 03A Page 682
LADDS, MARY JANE WHEELER 1862 M Quarter in GRANTHAM Volume 07A Page 425
I think Joseph may have re-married between 1871-1881.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27N-6KY5 (1881 census)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGDK-63F4 (1875 marriage of joseph (as a widower))
hi you said that Joseph might of remarried so I was just thinking who might of been he's second wife and would there might of been of any children from he's second marriage
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PaulineJ has given you this information in her post above. She was Elizabeth Wheeler. Joseph Ladds married Elizabeth in Banbury in 1854. Mary Jane was born in Grantham in 1862.
hi I can't find the death year of when Elizabeth ladds born wheeler died.
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Elizabeth Ladds born wheeler born Oxfordshire 1834 unknown death year but married to Joseph ladds in Banbury in 1854 Joseph was born 1833 in Northamptonshire and unknown death year.
There children.
Joseph ladds born in Oxfordshire 1856 unknown death year
Samuel ladds born in Oxfordshire 1859 unknown death year
My great great grandmother Mary Jane byfield born ladds
born in Grantham 1862 until 1939 in Birmingham
Census
college street spittlegate Lincolnshire 1871
So I would like to point out I have no idea who are Elizabeth ladds born wheeler mother and father was and her husband Joseph ladds mother and father was.
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Elizabeth Ladds born wheeler born Oxfordshire 1834 unknown death year but married to Joseph ladds in Banbury in 1854 Joseph was born 1833 in Northamptonshire and unknown death year.
There children.
Joseph ladds born in Oxfordshire 1856 unknown death year
Samuel ladds born in Oxfordshire 1859 unknown death year
My great great grandmother Mary Jane byfield born ladds
born in Grantham 1862 until 1939 in Birmingham
Census
college street spittlegate Lincolnshire 1871
So I would like to point out I have no idea who are Elizabeth ladds born wheeler mother and father was and her husband Joseph ladds mother and father was.
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So I would like to point out I have no idea who are Elizabeth ladds born wheeler mother and father was and her husband Joseph ladds mother and father was.
We've no crystal balls either.
You have enough information to search 1851 & 1841 for yourself.
You also DO have the father of Joseph Ladds from his second marriage.
Buy the 1854 marriage cert for Elizabeth Wheeler for her parental info and witness names.
Pauline
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Emily Walker/Morris remarried as a widow in 1910 in Northants to William Harry Stratfull. She gives her father as James Walker deceased occ Boatman. The Stratfull family are in the 1911 census including Lilian Mary (Lily) and Blanche Elizabeth ( the baby from 1901). She was born around 1862 in Brinklow. They are living at Buckby Wharf.
Isobel
hi can I ask who was Emily first husband and did they have kids together and what was her mother's name.
Kirsty about 3/4 years ago I gave you a lot of info & contacts on our share Hambrige boat people in Coventry & Brentford amongst that info was this on may 30th 1910 at the church in Long Buckby William Harvy Stratfull a 40 year old bachelor occupation Labourer a resident of Whilton son of Charles Stratfull a Lock Keeper married Emily ann Morris a 48 year old widow from Buckby Wharf daughter of James Walker a deceased Boat man both signed their names but the whitness names where not readable due to damage on the page I even sent you a picture of the church .
hi I never got that picture
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Elizabeth Ladds born wheeler born Oxfordshire 1834 unknown death year but married to Joseph ladds in Banbury in 1854 Joseph was born 1833 in Northamptonshire and unknown death year
So I would like to point out I have no idea who are Elizabeth ladds born wheeler mother and father was and her husband Joseph ladds mother and father was.
Marriage give their fathers name
Elizabeth Wheeler 20 , Cherwell Street, father James occ Smith
Marriage 4 Feb 1854 Banbury South, Christchurch, Oxfordshire
Spouse: Joseph Ladds 21 occ Smith, Cherwell Street, father Samuel occ Smith
John Lines & James Page are witnesses
1841 c
Piece: 817 Folio: 36 Page Number: 24
Samuel Ladds 30 occ whitesmith
Charlotte Ladds 30
Samuel Ladds 10
Joseph Ladds 9
John Ladds 5
George Ladds 2
George Ladds mmn SKELLET
Jun 1839 Registration Northamptonshire
Volume: 15 Page: 363
There’s this 1851 census
Piece: 1734 Folio: 424 Page Number: 11
James Wheeler 55 Wid. Blacksmith
Elizabeth Wheeler dau 17
Emily Wheeler dau 15
Louisa Wheeler dau 13
Elizabeth Fox 95
And 1841
Piece: 873 Folio: 26 Page Number: 15
Broad Street
James Wheeler 35 blacksmith
Charlotte 40
Mary 15
Richard 13
Sarah 9
Elizabeth 7
Emely 5
Lucy 2 her name is LUIZA
Not sure if this is Lucy’s birth entry
(edit don’t think this is the Lucy from 1841c or birth entry below as there’s a birth entry Ann bn1838 mmn Frewin)
Lucy Hutchins WHEELER mmn FREWIN
1839 M Quarter in ABINGDON UNION Volume 06 Page 120
There is this christening but can’t find corresponding birth to confirm mmn
Amelia Louisa Wheeler Baptism 10 May 1840 Banbury, St Mary, Oxfordshire
Father: James Wheeler occ blacksmith Mother: Charlotte Abode Broad Street
Edit - this could be Amelia Louisa’s birth entry (Louisa on 1851 census)
WHEELER, AMELIA mmn WARD
1838 S Quarter in BANBURY UNION Volume 16 Page 6
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Emily Walker/Morris remarried as a widow in 1910 in Northants to William Harry Stratfull. She gives her father as James Walker deceased occ Boatman. The Stratfull family are in the 1911 census including Lilian Mary (Lily) and Blanche Elizabeth ( the baby from 1901). She was born around 1862 in Brinklow. They are living at Buckby Wharf.
Isobel
hi can I ask who was Emily first husband and did they have kids together and what was her mother's name.
George Herbert Walker was baptised in 1886 in Brinklow, Warwickshire. This provides the information that his mother was Emily Walker, a single woman. No father is named.
1881 census for Brinklow has an Emily Walker age 18, daughter of James and Mary Ann Walker. She is likely to be the mother of George Herbert Walker.
In 1891 George is living in Stockton, Warwickshire with his mother Emily and a sister called Rose ( born as Rose Morris with mmn Walker in Brinklow in 1888). Emily, George and Rose all have the surname Morris and Emily indicates that she is married, but her husband is not present.
In 1901 Emily ( still using the name Morris and claiming to be married) is living in Brinklow. Rose and George are not with her but she has three other children - Charles age 6, Lily age 1 and an unnamed infant. The births of all these children are registered as Morris with mmn Walker. No husband is present.
There is no record of a marriage between Emily and someone called Morris and it is likely they were never married. The only clue to the name of Mr Morris comes from the 1910 marriage certificate of daughter Rose, which names her father as Charles Morris, Boatman ( deceased).
Emily married in 1910 in Northants to William Harry Stratfull. She calls herself a widow and married under the name Morris. She gives her father as James Walker, Boatman (deceased) The family are at Buckby Wharf, Northants in the 1911 census. William Harry and Emily have surname Stratfull ( married one year) There are four Morris children living with them - Lilian Mary (Lily) and Blanche Elizabeth ( the baby from 1901) plus Ethel born 1903 and Leonard born 1905. The latter two children are also recorded as surname Morris mmn Walker.
So to summarise, Emily Walker appears to have had seven children
George Herbert Walker (father unknown)
Rose ( father Charles Morris)
Charles ( father probably Charles Morris)
Lilian Mary (Lily)( father probably Charles Morris)
Blanche Elizabeth ( father probably Charles Morris)
Ethel ( father probably Charles Morris)
Leonard ( father probably Charles Morris)
It appears unlikely that Emily was actually ever married to Charles Morris.
Isobel
please help me with this information I found someone on Ancestry who appears to have the above names on there family tree apart from my great grandfather George Herbert walker but anyway they had there down father down as Charles Morris so I would like to check if I have the right Charles Morris year of birth 1852 who was born in Canning Town, Essex, England who had the above children with Emily Ann walker. Thank you l
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Hi can you please help me.
I'm looking for a match for charles Morris who was born 1852 in Canning Town Essex. He had one son and three daughters and he's then partner Emily Ann walker the mother of he's children took on he's surname but there's no marriage. He may of had a step son called George Herbert walker. I'm looking for name of charles Morris mother and father.
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Admit to not reading all of this, BUT have found the following
Charles James Morris mother's maiden name Marsh
1851 Sept qtr
West Ham
ref 12 309
1871 there is a James Morris as grandson of Marsh family Canning Town
Louisa Maud
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Ruled out on new thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=831174.msg6955752#msg6955752
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Hopefully solved (almost) on new thread if Kirsty agrees.
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Thanks everyone
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So what do you think, Kirsty?
Are you ok with the information re Charles now?
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My mum was Celia Hambridge, her brothers were Thomas, George and Dave Hambridge, her sisters where Doris, Lily and Rosa, their parents were Eliza and Thomas Hambridge
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Hi pricem1 , welcome to RC :) ,
Is your post connected to this thread ?
If not I can split it off if it would help ?
ev
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My mum was Celia Hambridge, her brothers were Thomas, George and Dave Hambridge, her sisters where Doris, Lily and Rosa, their parents were Eliza and Thomas Hambridge
hi hun im not sure if we are related but are you on ancestry or myheritage
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Hi no I’m not unfortunately
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Admit to not reading all of this, BUT have found the following
Charles James Morris mother's maiden name Marsh
1851 Sept qtr
West Ham
ref 12 309
1871 there is a James Morris as grandson of Marsh family Canning Town
hi there please help me find the first name of charles james morris mother. i keep get stuck i no her surname was marsh but i just keep getting stuck please help thank you x
Louisa Maud
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Charles James Morris mother's maiden name Marsh
1851 Sept qtr
West Ham
ref 12 309
1871 there is a James Morris as grandson of Marsh family Canning Town
Louisa Maud
hi there please help me find the first name of charles james morris mother. i keep get stuck i no her surname was marsh but i just keep getting stuck please help thank you x
Since you are stuck, BUY the birth certificate!
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Charles James Morris mother's maiden name Marsh
1851 Sept qtr
West Ham
ref 12 309
1871 there is a James Morris as grandson of Marsh family Canning Town
Louisa Maud
hi there please help me find the first name of charles james morris mother. i keep get stuck i no her surname was marsh but i just keep getting stuck please help thank you x
Since you are stuck, BUY the birth certificate !
times are hard at the moment as i got 4 children to feed one of them is a 1 year old baby boy who turned 1 years old on monday just gone. so i be buying birth certificates in the future. but thanks
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Kirsty,
Yesterday, you posted Louisa Maud’s post from 18th May, 2020. (Reply #129 )If you go back to that, you will see the following post (reply #130) which refers to another of your topics, the one on Charles Morris, where that Charles was discounted.
You might be wasting your money if you buy that certificate in the future.
Ruled out on new thread
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Is this possible parents of Charles James born 1851/1852
Parish Ch Wareham Dorset
1849
Charles Morris of Holy trinity Dorset father Joseph Morris
married
Mary Marsh same abode father James Marsh
witnesses James and Elizabeth March
Bearing in mind the Marsh family 1871 in Canning Town are showing Charles J as grandson they were born in Hampshire
1871 as well as Charles J Morris there is a grandson Frederick C also born Canning Town
This family seem to have ties with the Canning Town/Plaistow family as shown in an Ancestry family tree
You need to find Charles and Mary in 1851
Louisa Maud