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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: Gibel on Monday 27 November 17 15:10 GMT (UK)
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For at least 12 years I've been trying to find a family friend's great grandfather. As the friend nears her century I think time could be running out.
What I've found out
1841 census Alexander Bond in Middlesborough as a lodger born in the county and age given as 25
18 October 1841 Parish Church Manchester
Alexander Bond joiner father Alexander Bond Innkeeper married Jane Skelton
1843 a son Richard was born in Salford
1845 a son James was born in Carlisle (Jane's home town) father Alexander Bond joiner
1851 census George Alexander Bond joiner bachelor born Durham a lodger in Preston
18 April 1853 St Augustine RC church Preston George Alexander Bond joiner bachelor married Amy Alice Smith he states his father Alexander Bond a publican and that he is deceased. The actual RC register gives no mother's name
1857 Jane Skelton remarries using her sister's name and her own maiden name stating she is a spinster
1861 census George Alexander Bond in Ardwick Manchester as a joiner born in Durham
1878 dies as George Alexander Bond in Prestwich
We, the family friend and I feel that Alexander and George Alexander are the same person as there are 2 many similarities. They thought bigamy in the family was great!
I'd dearly love to be able to find (George) Alexander's birth and his father Alexander Bond so would be grateful for any help. I did think I'd found a family in Durham but their Alexander Bond was too young.
Many thanks
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Any ideas anyone?
Many thanks
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The major problem finding this baptism is that the family appear to be Roman Catholic. If that is the case - it may be worth checking with Durham Archives to see if they hold any RC Parish Registers.
In addition - do we know where the father was a Publican? Many archives hold licences and maybe Alexander Bond had a licence.
Just also try on line newspapers for Alexander Bond - it cannot be that common a name -- you may just come up with a useful snippet.
I am sure others will have better ideas though.
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I hadn't considered that (George ) might be RC, his first marriage was Church of England and the first child was I think christened in a C of E church.
I have no idea where Alexander was an innkeeper.
Thanks for your ideas I'll investigate RC records in Durham.
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I only picked up the RC because of the marriage at the RC Church in Preston. So I may be wrong about that - it may simply have been the bride who was RC.
From 1837 people could marry in RC Churches with a Registrar present -- prior to that everyone 'non-conformist' except Quakers and Jews had to marry in a C of E Church. On re-reading your initial post I see that they married at C of E in 1841 - so ignore my assumption that the groom was RC! (We should never assume!)
Just another thought though - the main Parish Church in Manchester (now the Cathedral) was quite famous for holding bulk marriages - which of course would be cheaper. This soesn't solve your problem though!
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Noticed that 1871 wasn't there so just in case
1871 as joiner
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD6B-TS6
a marriage for his son Albert Edward is online
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l3u/
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I've just found an Alexander Bond listed as a victualler in the Magpie in Breighton in Yorkshire in an 1820 directory.
Now trying to see if he could relate to the Alexander Bond born about 1816 saying born in Yorkshire in 1841 and Durham in 1851 and 1861 but I think it will have to wait for tomorrow now.
PS thank you for the 1871 census
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Directory of Breighton part of the Parish of Bubwith, 5 miles NW of Howden year 1822
Alexander Bond, Vict. Magpie
Population of the village 179
St Aloysius Church, Ardwick Lane
George Richard Bond son of Alexander Bond and Amaelie formerly Smyth born 18 May 1860 baptized 20 May 1860
Same church
Thomas William Bond son of Alexander Bond and Emmae Alicie formerly Smyth born 29 August 1862 baptized 7 September 1862
Isn't this the George R age 1 in 1861 with father listed as George Alex Bond and mother Amy.
If so, in church he is Alexander and on the census George Alexander.
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Yes that's him, I suspect he added the George on what he thought was a "legal document' but that really he was just Alexander.
It's his past I'm really interested in but there again if I found descendants from his second marriage they might know something but he probably kept his past a secret.He must have left his first wife very soon after his second son was born as that son didn't know his father's name.
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There's a few references here, including the Magpie
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l44/
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Many thanks, that site looks interesting.
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hello,
i am also researching alexander bond born 1821 to john bond and sarah maude.
any connection?
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Unfortunately no, my Alexander Bond ( carpenter) was the son of an Alexander Bond ( innkeeper).
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it might be worth looking into
a village with a population of 179 can it have 2 seperate bond families ?
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i think it's worth looking into
a village with a population of 179 can there be 2 separate bond families un-connected?
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I don't actually know where my Alexander Bond is from, in only one census does he say Yorkshire and in the others he gives Durham and that could be either the city or the county.
I investigated the Alexander Bond of Bubwith and found it was not the right Bond family so I'm sorry but I cannot help your research.
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The mystery of Jane Skelton’s several names was beyond me and then l found your post. I don’t have the answers yet but fascinated by your search. My maiden name is Bond. My father is a Durham Bond. My line is Jane Skelton mother of James Bond, who is father of Richard Bond, who is father of Percy Hiett Bond, who is father of Dennis Richard Bond (my dad). Short on time now, but great I had Jane originally as Stilton but then was convinced of Skelton as seemed much more accurate. No Alexander in my dad’s family that l have come across yet
Liz
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I'll get back to you later with more information, I have to go out now. It's definitely the same family.
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Your grandfather Percy and my family friend were cousins but with a big age gap.
Your great grandfather Richard was one of five children 3 boys and 2 girls but one girl died as a baby.
Richard was the second son of James Bond and his wife Margaret Bell.
James Bond was the second son of Alexander Bond and his wife Jane Skelton. They married in Manchester in 1841 and you can see their marriage details on Ancestry. Their first son was called Richard.
The couple split up Jane returned to Carlisle and later married again. Alexander went to Preston where he remarried as George Alexander Bond.
On both his marriage certificates he states his father is Alexander Bond and as far as I remember says publican or innkeeper on both.
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Thanks so much for your reply. I know your search is looking back to Alexander, a truly fascinating story in itself, but l am so delighted to have found a Bond connection in your friend. To put in context, and you may know some of this via your friend, Percy died in 1938 when my dad was 3. They were all living in Bywell Road, Cleadon at the time. I recall my dad saying Percy’s death was something to do with a heart valve. My dad, Dennis, and his mum, Dora (Dorothea) moved back to Northern Ireland. I have no idea of the circumstances of that move and l have often wondered. I have seemingly happy family photos of my dad as a toddler in England and to move away seemed harsh. It was close to wartime and l think Dora’s father Frank Middleton, a widower, may also have lived in Cleadon with them. My dad, Dennis, passed away in January, age 83 and l have been trying to trace the Bond connection since, knowing so very little of it. I am aware of Percy’s siblings (Hector, Annie and Mona) but not aware of any children other than my dad. I am aware of his father Richard’s siblings William, John and Annie but am missing the baby girl. I didn’t know Margaret’s surname was Bell until now, thank you. Can l ask, on Jane Skelton, did she remarry as Jane Johnston? On the Bonds, l have lots of family photos, but l am unsure of who some people are. If your friend is interested, or can recall some people, bearing in mind age gap to Percy, l would gladly send copies. One is of Percy’s grave at his death, strewn with flowers but l don’t know where the Cemetery is. If your friend recalls Percy at all, pls tell them, my dad was the image of Percy. Same big dark curly hair piled high on his head. Thanks again for all of this. Liz
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I will send you a private message ( pm) with my email address and we can correspond that way. I'll phone my family friend and see if she know anything about what would have been her Uncle Richard.
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Thank you
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hi guys,
alexander bond bond 1821 was my 3rd great uncle his dad was john bond
they were farmers in bubwith yorkshire.
if anyone needs any information on this family let me know
alexander owned the magpie pub a great source of information on the family is www.bubwith.net
they boted and had their pwn pew in the local church
kind regards
John Bond
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Earlier on this post, I posted that the Alexander Bond I was looking for had, as far as I was able to research, no connection with the Bubwith Bond family. Although my Alexander states his father was a publican he was a joiner. In 1841 he is in Middlesbrough and in later census when he has added George to his name he states born Durham.
One day I shall find him!