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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: hamali on Thursday 30 November 17 14:29 GMT (UK)
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Hi there , Can anybody help Im trying to trace a William Rowland Hale B 1886. all the info I have is that in 1920 in Camberwell he marries Mary Frances Burns. I have found them in the 1939 census & he is down as a road sweeper, but I cant seem to trace him in 1911 or before that.
Also stuck on Mary Frances Burns as well all the info I have on her is her 1st marriage to William G Ware in 1911 then her 2nd marriage to William Rowland Hale & all the children she had from both marriages so would also love to go bk on her.
Thanks for any help at all
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If you have the 1920 Marriage Cert, please quote from it:-
His Age would seem to be [1920-1886] - his Birth is registered in the St Olave District ...
His Father's name & Occupation ...
His abode and that of the Bride ...
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Likewise for her from either marriage cert - father's name etc
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Hi there I have not got there marriage cert this info is from my Nan's birth cert & her marraige cert
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Here is Mary Frances's first marriage - so now you have her fathers name!
24 Dec 1911
St John the Divine Kennington
William George Ware 23 widower horsekeeper of 55 Sultan Street father Henry Ware, horsekeeper
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Mary Frances Burns 24 spinster of 55 Sultan Street , father Sidney Burns, bottle sorter
Both signed
Witnesses: E Budd? and P Shaw? (neither very easy to read)
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Thank you for that she never moved very far as when she had my nan the address is 49 Sultan Street
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I think she may have started life as Mary Frances Ludlow
1901
17 Alsace Street Walworth
Sidney Burns 32 bottle porter bn Camberwell
Ann F 33 Newington
MAry F Ludlow 12 dtr bn Peckham
Sarah A Burns 8 dtr
George H Burns 5 son
Mary V Burns dtr 8 mths
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Thank you for that I will look into this further ;D
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She can be seen in earlier (and later) censuses easily enough - I think she was born before the marriage and mum was maiden name Ludlow.
As for William Rowland HAle -
Christening
St MAry Southwark
2 Feb 1886
William Rowland Hale parents William and Sarah of 22 Fendall Street, labourer
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1901
74 Beckett Street Camberwell
William Hale 41 gen labourer
Sarah 36
William 15 bn Bermonsey
ALice 13
Margaret 10
Clara 5
Charles 2
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oh thank you so much will now start tracing them backward ;D
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Marriage for parents of William Rowland Hale:
Marriages Mar 1883
HALE William John St Saviour Southwark 1d 15
SYRES Sarah St. Saviour 1d 15
William's birth reg:
HALE, WILLIAM ROWLAND mother's maiden name SYERS
GRO Reference: 1886 M Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 243
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There is a marriage in Newington on 2 Aug 1891 for Ann Frances Ludlow and a William Burns labourer. His father was also William (deceased) occ shoemaker. William made his mark, so possibly Sydney his second name or clerk muddled the name with his father's and he couldn't read to check it. Ann Ludlow's father was John Richard Ludlow (deceased) occ carman
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That's odd the 1891 has Ann(a) Frances with father Henry not John Richard. same address as marriage record - 22 South street
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Oh dear that is odd I will see what her dad is called in the 1881 census
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A John Richard Ludlow occ Carman married Ann Culverwell on 25 Dec 1856, his father was Henry (deceased) also a carman, so may'be J R used hid father's name later? Need to find the daughter Anna Frances's birth reg to check mmn
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hi there LizzieL in 1891 Henry is her grandad as she is down as grandaughter not daughter
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Mary is grandaughter, the Ann who married Sydney ( or William ) Burns was the daughter,
Got Anna's birth reg
LUDLOW, FRANCES ANN mmn CULVERWELL Q2 1867 NEWINGTON Volume 01D Page 240
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Henry aka John Richard says he was born in Suffolk on the 1891 census but the only baptism I can find which fits is a John Richard bapt in 1832 in Oxford s/o Henry Ludlow and Fanny. Henry and John appear in Berks in 1851 with 1 year old Charles bic (Berks) others not bic. This matches with Charles Ludlow birth reg Reading 1840 mother's mn Shelton.
there is marriage between Henry Ludlow and Fanny Shelton by licence in Oxford on 25 Dec 1827.
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Looks like Henry, Fanny, daughter Fanny, son Charles in 1851 moved to London but no John Richard with them
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