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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: barbiebergie on Friday 01 December 17 19:09 GMT (UK)
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Hi there,
My first post. I am keen to find out more about my great grandmother and great grandfather. Adam Walters and Margaretta Madge Rehiai Walters. Can find Adam in the Birth Deaths and Marriages but not Margaretta.
Does anyone have any info. She had a brother called David and they both died tragically young.
Kind regards
Barbara..ps I am in Wales
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Welcome to Rootschat.
Have you got any dates to get us started?
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I am trying to locate David and his sister Margaretta. They lived in Thames but it is possible that they came from Kaeo. Any help gratefully received.
Barbie
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A warm welcome from me also.
I see that a Margaretta Rehiai married an Adam Walters in 1912 in New Zealand --- so did they stay there as you are in Wales?
And who is Thomas David Rehiai please? (Sorry about all these questions but the title of your post differs from the people you mention in the message, which is confusing to me -- I am easily confused!)
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Thanks both.
I think that David Rehiai lived in Thames. His sister Margaretta Madge Rehiai is buried in Shortland Cemetery and was alive 1894 - to 1024. She was married to Adam Walters in Thames. But, I want to know where the Rehiai family came from. I think it might be Kaeo.
I live in Wales but am a Kiwi so the family are still based basically around the Thames area although the Rehiai clan seemed to disappear which suggests a misspeliing of the name.
I know that the brother and sister died very young but know nothing else about their lives nor about Adam Walter's life.
I would get to Thames if I could and look things up in the library.
Cheers
Barbara
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So to clarify we are talking about birth, marriages and deaths in New Zealand and not the UK? I'll ask a Mod to move this post to the NZ board as you will probably get more help there from people who have access to records.
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Hello Barbie,
Welcome to Rootschat.......... :)
So far these are the only references found on NZ BDM for the name of Rehiai [all marriages]:
1893/464 Levinia Kate Hamilton William Rehiai
1912/5868 Margaretta Rehiai Adam Walters
1896/2519 Lavinia Kate Rehiai George Edward Fairburn
Can you provide us with approximate birth and or death dates for David & Margaretta?
Minniehaha.
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Forgive me if you know this -- but have you seen this website;
http://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home/
The New Zealand Government unfortunately destroyed census records after extracting statistics etc -- but there are some New Zealand records on line, such as Electoral registers, death records and more - on the Find My Past website.
There may be other sites also which contain useful information.
Maybe also search for New Zealand Newspapers
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers (these ARE searchable)
I am English so I hope someone from New Zealand picks up this thread and will be able to help you more regarding research in that country.
Good Luck
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Similar thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783494.0
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Duplicate thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783497.0
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Can find Adam in the Birth Deaths and Marriages but not Margaretta.
1894/8087
Rehiar, Marguretta
William & Lavinia Kate
Debra :)
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Well spotted re the duplicate post, Groom.
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Thanks Minniehaha
That’s great.
The dates of death for Margaretta Madge Rehiai Walters is 1924
Not sure anout David but it was near to that time. She was 30 and he was only 24. It is a mystery how they died and why so young and where that name came from. It seems to have been handed down through the marriages.
B
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Marriage
1893/464
Levinia Kate HAMILTON
William REHIAI
Debra :)
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Hi Barbie
It is better not to post for the same information on different boards, as people then spend time duplicating look ups. Perhaps a Mod can merge all your posts.
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Hello Barbie,
Welcome to Rootschat.......... :)
So far these are the only references found on NZ BDM for the name of Rehiai [all marriages]:
1893/464 Levinia Kate Hamilton William Rehiai
1912/5868 Margaretta Rehiai Adam Walters
1896/2519 Lavinia Kate Rehiai George Edward Fairburn
Can you provide us with approximate birth and or death dates for David & Margaretta?
Minniehaha.
Hello.
Is the simple NZH notice 4/7/1916 [Auckland]; Margaret WALTERS death of 2/7/1916. 32 years your Margaretta ?
Alan.
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Interesting account of William's death in 1895:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/THS18951104.2.11
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l4l/
Debra :)
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I have only just spotted that the title of this thread is Thames David Rehiai --- I thought it was Thomas David Rehiai.
Time to go to Specsavers!
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l4l/
Debra :)
The articles mentioning 'Wiremu Rehari' may be relevant.
Debra :)
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l4l/
Debra :)
The articles mentioning 'Wiremu Rehari' may be relevant.
Debra :)
Well done, Debra ... excellent finds. :)
"Wiremu" is the Maori name for "William" ... so yes, the REHARI referred to by both names is probably the same man.
~ Lu
Topics merged
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Wow Debra.
That is fantastic work.
Thanks you so much.
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Hi Barbara ... and welcome. :)
I was in the middle of posting here when your two threads were merged ... so having "cancelled" that, I'll now add an updated version of what I was going to say ;D.
As is mentioned in the articles concerning the death of Lavinia's husband, he was described as a "native" (in other words, he was of the Maori race.)
And the > "REHIAI" > name you've given here (not your fault of course because that's how it appears written in a number of NZ records ;)) ... should apparently be REHARI.
However, what needs to be considered in identifying the REHARI family / whanau, (whanau is the Maori name for "family"), is that William or Wiremu (abbrev. "Wi") was also was known by the surname "TAITUA" (or "TAITA", in one article).
But moving on to your original query >
* Can you explain how it is that you have information about the son named "David (Rehiai)", please ?
[Note: Didn't Lavinia go on to marry George FAIRBURN the year after her first husband's death ?
Thought maybe this David took on the FAIRBURN name ?? - but that doesn't seem to be the case.
I do have some other thoughts about David, but will await your reply. ]
~ Lu
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Hello Lucy
The articles are eye opening.
Re David. I think I got that wrong. I think David was Williams’ father who was married to a Makareta. I don’t know that to be true but found it in someone’s family tree and have not manged to verify it yet. That same person seemed to think that David Rehiai (sic) was from Kaeo. Sorry for the bumsteer and thanks for the great lateral work!!!
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Hi Barbara
Thanks for the clarification.
So, do you need further help with this search ??
~ Lu
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Hi Barbara
I got your message but I think it's to your benefit that all information is in one place (i.e. this thread) so that all who are able, may contribute. ;)
But now I see that you have changed the "Subject" heading here ("David/Makareta - Rehiai aka Rehari" ) ???
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For what it's worth, I only really found one "tree" online, relating to REHIAI, (and I don't want to be critical about that persons efforts ) but the fact that there was no reference to "REHARI" ... and that Margaretta was said to have been born at Thames in 1914 and died in 2006 , set off some alarm bells. ::) Her parents names were shown a "James" (not David) and "Makareta". ???
Have you been in contact with the "owner of the tree" where you found your information ??
~ Lu
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.... Margaretta.
Does anyone have any info. She had a brother called David and they both died tragically young.
Hi again Barbara
I now think that Margaretta's "brother" you speak of, is the following boy.
http://www.hamilton.govt.nz/our-services/do-it-online/cemetery-search/Pages/default.aspx?surname=Fairburn&forename=george+edward
George Edward FAIRBURN - born 1906 - was the son of Margaretta's mother (Lavinia) by her second husband, George Edward FAIRBURN (senior).
So, he was effectively, Margaretta's step-brother (half-brother if you like) ... and there was an age gap of some 12 years.
[Note: Had meant to point out earlier when you suggested that Margaretta was 30 and the brother David was 24 ("she was 30 and he was only 24") - that as her father had died in 1895, she would not have had a full brother who was younger. ]
I wasn't able to find a death or funeral notice for George Edward junior or whether the cause of his death was by accident. [Note: Both his parents were deceased by 1922 -- Lavinia (1910) and Geo. Edward FAIRBURN senior in 1916. ]
~ Lu
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Barbara ... also have some info to share with you about the wider family. Will do this shortly as some aspects need further checking.
~ Lu
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Presumably/hopefully you know that Makareta is the Maori transliterated version of the first name Margaret/ta. it is likely that the refs to a Makareta are either to Margaretta or to a descendant of hers.
Rehari sounds more 'correct than Rehiai but then care is needed too as the name David is transliterated as Rawiri.
The Walters name is interesting...back in the 1970s..there was a popular NZ singer called Bunny Walters and he was born in Katikati in 1953. (Bunny Te Kokiri Miha Waahi Walters)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunny_Walters
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Once you have some names this website is very useful to search for whanau connections.
http://www.maorilandonline.govt.nz/gis/owner/interestSearch.htm
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Margaret Madge Walters may be recorded as this death. You have said she died in 1924.
1925/1473 Walters Madge 30Y
1893/464 Levinia Kate Hamilton William Rehiai (marriage of parents?)
1912/5868 Margaretta Rehiai Adam Walters (her own marriage)
Some other names Rahiri and Rawiri would/could I think be easily confused
Births to Makareta and Adam
1912/17819 Walters Muriel Madge Margaretta Adam
1914/15687 Walters Jean Harold Margaretta Adam
Possible marriage of Muriel Madge
1934/4604 Muriel Madge Walters Mostyn Roughton Spiers
Possible death of Mostyn Roughton
1985/41631 Spiers Mostyn Roughton 7 May 1908
1991/36799 Spiers Murielle Madge 7 November 1912
And Jean
1935/3597 Jean Harrold Walters Horace George Newsham
1986/46740 Newsham Horace George 27 June 1914
2006/27214 Newsham Jeanne Harrold 10 March 1914
is this Adam Walter's death?
1975/34837 Walters Adam Russell 26 January 1886
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Hi Barbara
At the following site you can find much information about the wider family of Margaretta (i.e. her mother, Lavinia / Lavinia's mother, Mary Ann (Annie) and father, Harvey HAMILTON, etc.etc.) Just keep clicking on all the links provided. It looks to be very well researched and contains some personal stories.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/150678450/Margaretta-Walters
I found the above after I'd located the death of the young George Edward FAIRBURN (d. 1922) and I see an In Memoriam notice reference, is added at the site - which I'd missed finding in the newspapers. Re-checking papers I see there was another in 1923 from "loving sister, Maria".
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19230326.2.2.4
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19240325.2.2.5
* Any idea who the "sister, Jean" is ?? There doesn't seem to be a Jean (or variant of that name)
born into the FAIRBURN family ? Sister, Maria Jane ... ? but then she used the Name "Maria" in the 1923 notice ??
~ Lu more to follow > >
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Barbara .. some of what I was about to add has now been covered in part by shanreagh.
From this link by using the "deceased name search" facility, you can find the burial for Madge WALTERS - 6 February 1925 ... and for Harvey HAMILTON (her grandfather) - buried 15 January 1874. [Note: There is a discrepancy in age for Harvey HAMILTON, from burial record and death registration (NZBDM) ]
http://tcdc.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=59f9c540c7e74cf1a3225dbe08d19cc8
~ Lu
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Barbara ... there is also this site to which can make enquiries.
http://whakapapa.maori.org.nz/
~ Lu
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Hi Barbara
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I found the above after I'd located the death of the young George Edward FAIRBURN (d. 1922) and I see an In Memoriam notice reference, is added at the site - which I'd missed finding in the newspapers. Re-checking papers I see there was another in 1923 from "loving sister, Maria".
* Any idea who the "sister, Jean" is ?? There doesn't seem to be a Jean (or variant of that name)
born into the FAIRBURN family ? Sister, Maria Jane ... ? but then she used the Name "Maria" in the 1923 notice ??
May have been Jean/Jeanne sister of Makareta/Margaretta? So his step aunt but the two little girls may have been brought up partly by their grandmother Lavinia who had her own little boy George Edward Fairburn. Close in age so may have been brought up as siblings?
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1912/5868 Margaretta Rehiai Adam Walters (her own marriage)
Births to Makareta and Adam
1912/17819 Walters Muriel Madge Margaretta Adam
1914/15687 Walters Jean Harold Margaretta Adam
Just to clarify, the Makaretawho has been added above, is not the same person referred to earlier (- as in "David and Makareta" who the the OP says may be the parents of William / Wiremu REHARI or Rehiai.
~ Lu
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1912/5868 Margaretta Rehiai Adam Walters (her own marriage)
Births to Makareta and Adam
1912/17819 Walters Muriel Madge Margaretta Adam
1914/15687 Walters Jean Harold Margaretta Adam
Just to clarify, the Makaretawho has been added above, is not the same person referred to earlier (- as in "David and Makareta" who the the OP says may be the parents of William / Wiremu REHARI or Rehiai.
~ Lu
That is correct.....I have been looking for the Margaretta/Makareta Walters
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Hi shanreagh
.. yes I'd considered Jeanne (the d/o Margaretta (Madge) and Adam) but she was born in 1914 so was a mere 10 years old when the notice was placed in 1924 ? Well, someone may have done it on her behalf ... that could account perhaps too for the mis-spelling of her name ?? Who knows ? ;D
~ Lu
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Death notice for Lavinia Fairburn......
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19101217.2.2.3?query=lavinia%20kate%20fairburn
In Memoriam notice [1917] for George Edward Fairburn-
['Inserted by his loving daughters J. and M. Fairburn']
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/THS19170910.2.6.1?query=george%20edward%20fairburn
Minniehaha.
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Barbara ...
"Madge" is a diminutive ("pet name") for the christian name Margaretta (also for Margaret / Madeline / Magdalene etc.)
As you already know, when she wed, your Margaretta used her formal christian name.
However on her two appearances on electoral rolls she used the less-formal version, "Madge".
And clearly it was the name she was commonly known as, as her death registration and burial record both bear the name "Madge".
~ Lu
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In one of the links to Papers Past
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/THS18951104.2.11?query=rehari
It mentions an enquiry into the death of Wiremu Rehari who was shot by a Robert Darrah. The wife of Wiremu Rehari took the stand and said that her name was Lavinia Rehari and that she had been married to Wiremu Rehari for two years. it was known that Wiremu Rehari was also known around the district as Wi Taitua (Taitua was the name of a local chief) but his correct name was Rehari.
Presumably the two children of this marriage were David and Madge/Margaret/Margaretta/Makareta?
Lavinia later married Mr Fairburn and had George Edward Fairburn who died in 1922 and Lavina Kate who died aged 10months i
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Barbara ...
Entries from the Burial Register (Book) - Omahu Cemetery :
40 - FAIRBURN - Lavinia Kate Harriott * ?
buried 14 December 1910
Aged 39 years - born Thames - p. 223
45 - FAIRBURN - Lavinia Kate - 10 months - buried 16 October 1911
Catholic - Born Thames - p. 223
81 - FAIRBURN - George Edward
buried 11 September 1916 - aged 57 years
Catholic - born Bay of Islands - p. 225
Purchased by A. WALTERS.
* Lavinia's NZ birth registration (at NZBDM online) shows >
1872 - HAMILTON - Lavinia Kate Hosking
Parents: Annie and Harvey Gabel
The version at ancestry site shows - 1872 - Lavinia Kate Hasting
"Hosking" appears to be the correct name - from her grandmother - see research provided by others. "Harriott" and "Hasting" likely mistranscriptions ?
~ Lu
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David and Margaret/Margaretta/Makareta I think were the son and daughter of Lavinia Hamilton Rehari later Fairburn, and Wiremu Rehari who was killed by Robert Darrah.
I am looking for the birth & death of David who OP believes also died young. Sad for the family.
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Barbara ...
Entries from the Burial Register (Book) - Omahu Cemetery :
40 - FAIRBURN - Lavinia Kate Harriott * ?
buried 14 December 1910
Aged 39 years - born Thames - p. 223
45 - FAIRBURN - Lavinia Kate - 10 months - buried 16 October 1911
Catholic - Born Thames - p. 223
81 - FAIRBURN - George Edward
buried 11 September 1916 - aged 57 years
Catholic - born Bay of Islands - p. 225
Purchased by A. WALTERS.
* Lavinia's NZ birth registration (at NZBDM online) shows >
1872 - HAMILTON - Lavinia Kate Hosking
Parents: Annie and Harvey Gabel
The version at ancestry site shows - 1872 - Lavinia Kate Hasting
"Hosking" appears to be the correct name - from her grandmother - see research provided by others. "Harriott" and "Hasting" likely mistranscriptions ?
~ Lu
Looks as though Lavinia Hamilton Rehari Fairburn may have died in childbirth? And the baby lavinia Kate Fairburn 10months later. So she did not look after the two girls, her grandchildren Jean Harold Walter and Muriel Walter after their own mother (Margaretta ) died in 1925.
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In one of the links to Papers Past
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/THS18951104.2.11?query=rehari
It mentions an enquiry into the death of Wiremu Rehari who was shot by a Robert Darrah. The wife of Wiremu Rehari took the stand and said that her name was Lavinia Rehari and that she had been married to Wiremu Rehari for two years. it was known that Wiremu Rehari was also known around the district as Wi Taitua (Taitua was the name of a local chief) but his correct name was Rehari.
Presumably the two children of this marriage were David and Madge/Margaret/Margaretta/Makareta
Lavinia later married Mr Fairburn and had George Edward Fairburn who died in 1922.
Hi shanreagh ... please see earlier posts where much of this has already been covered. ;)
The OP has already mentioned she now thinks she got it wrong and that "David" was the father of William REHARI [sp.] rather than the brother being David.
She'd said initially that David (brother) was younger than Margaretta (Madge) by some 6 or so years. It can't have been the case that she had a (younger) brother who shared the same father (as I've already pointed out) as William REHARI had died when Margaretta was a mere babe.
~ Lu
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In one of the links to Papers Past
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/THS18951104.2.11?query=rehari
It mentions an enquiry into the death of Wiremu Rehari who was shot by a Robert Darrah. The wife of Wiremu Rehari took the stand and said that her name was Lavinia Rehari and that she had been married to Wiremu Rehari for two years. it was known that Wiremu Rehari was also known around the district as Wi Taitua (Taitua was the name of a local chief) but his correct name was Rehari.
Presumably the two children of this marriage were David and Madge/Margaret/Margaretta/Makareta
Lavinia later married Mr Fairburn and had George Edward Fairburn who died in 1922.
Hi shanreagh ... please see earlier posts where much of this has already been covered. ;)
The OP has already mentioned she now thinks she got it wrong and that "David" was the father of William REHARI [sp.] rather than the brother being David.
She'd said initially that David (brother) was younger than Margaretta (Madge) by some 6 or so years. It can't have been the case that she had a (younger) brother who shared the same father (as I've already pointed out) as William REHARI had died when Margaretta was a mere babe.
~ Lu
Yes I can see that all of that is possible...
So are the two very close births of children to Wiremu and Lavinia Rehari especially if she was expecting when they married in 1893 and was carrying when he died. I have not yet found either of the births of Margaret or David ...not sure if they have been put up on this thread, sorry I may have missed them. Could you let me have the post number...sorry to not seen them.
So we proceed on assumption that the parents of Wiremu Rehari were David X and Makareta X possibly who whakapapa back to Kaeo?
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Looking up on the MLandonline index it seems that there is a Rawiri family owning land around Hikutaia where Wiremu was killed. see Hikutaia 1A3B. This family owns land in the Waikato-Maniapoto district.
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Sorry, really don't have time to go back searching the thread for numbers of specific posts ... can only suggest though you start by looking at the first couple of pages of the thread to see what was "found" at the outset ( e.g. Margaretta's birth ). Then perhaps open some of the links provided in later posts, which give additional detail. [We're all "in the same boat" here when a thread builds up to lots of pages... of having to go back and seek out references posted earlier. ;D ]
The poster Barbara has been back to the thread and has added to and corrected some info she gave earlier - so good idea to also read those posts.
:)
~ Lu
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For the sake of ease and completeness
1893/464 Levinia Kate Hamilton William Rehiai
1894/8087 Rehiar, Marguretta William & Lavinia Kate
1912/5868 Margaretta Rehiai Adam Walters
1896/2519 Lavinia Kate Rehiai George Edward Fairburn
We have also found the births, marriages and deaths for the children of Margaretta and Adam Walters
We have found the subsequent births of children to Lavinia to George Fairburn and the deaths of L a/e vinia and George.
We have pondered on the possible (perhaps unlikely) Maori surname name as suggested by OP and variations recorded on some official documents. We are now looking for Rehari as the surname.
This was the name given in the newspaper coverage of the killing of Wiremu Rehari. The coverage also mentions that some times he used the name Wi Taitua. Newspaper coverage explains that this was the name of a local chief.
My own view is that it would be most unlikely that a young man from a different rohe, say up north near Whangarei, would have had the cheek as an 'incomer' to have used the name of a chief in an area he did not whakapapa back to.
On this basis with this name there are these deaths recorded in NZ BDM.
1895/5730 Rehari Wi 24Y
1898/6637 Rehari Henrietta Claudina May 2Y
1914/9749 Rehari Turiti 70Y
1918/17796 Rehari Whakarepai Marara 18M
1939/28612 Rehari Keri 58Y
Using the MLO index I have found names in the Taitokorau Land Court area. This is 'up north' I searched using the names of Turiti and Rehari. It has come up with Turiti Rihari which is a variation I had not thought of. (Hangarau Turiti Rihari) has shares in Wairau North 5.
if you do a BDM search on Rihari there are 99 deaths including some very old entries. Also including a Makareta.
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I like the use of the royal "We", shanreagh. ;D
The 1895 death of REHARI - Wi .... is of course William (REHIAI) - aged 24 years (bc 1871 )
And so as not to confuse or mislead, the 1966 death RIHARI - Makereta- showed her to be 87 years ... born circa 1879.
~ Lu
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We are now looking for Rehari as the surname.
.... well, not all of us are. I personally prefer to "cast the net" more widely. ;D
~ Lu
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.... there are these deaths recorded in NZ BDM.
1895/5730 Rehari Wi 24Y
1898/6637 Rehari Henrietta Claudina May 2Y ....
This is all getting a tad "complicated" now ... and I really don't want to add further confusion if I can help it. ;D
But the death (registered at Thames) of the above Henrietta Claudina May REHARI - aged 2 years (bc 1896) makes me think that this was another child of Lavinia REHARI, born slightly before her marriage to George FAIRBURN which took place on 5 December 1896.
Can't immediately find her birth registration at NZ BDM online (if there was indeed one) and she's not on the Birth index (@ ancestry).
In 1904 Lavinia had a daughter with George Edward FAIRBURN who was named "Henrietta Claudina Mabel" (m. 1933 BRANNIGAN) and Lavinia's mother had also had a daughter born at Thames, with John ALGIE in 1879 named Henrietta Claudina ALGIE. This child died in 1884 (not 1881 as recorded at the following page).
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/149941455/Mary%20Ann-Levingston-Mood
[Barbara - a lot a reading involved re: Lavinia's mother. She had 4 or so "husbands" -- LAWTON / HAMILTON / ALGIE / MOOD -- and to boot, she used a variety of christian names for herself e.g. Miriam Margaret / Mary Ann / Annie etc. but it's all explained in the above link. Read it at your leisure I'd suggest. ;D]
~ Lu
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We are now looking for Rehari as the surname.
.... well, not all of us are. I personally prefer to "cast the net" more widely. ;D
~ Lu
Oh dear.....as we all do.
I was meaning as opposed to the unusual names that the thread has such as the name that Lavinia & Wi's child was registered under etc.
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I like the use of the royal "We", shanreagh. ;D
The 1895 death of REHARI - Wi .... is of course William (REHIAI) - aged 24 years (bc 1871 )
And so as not to confuse or mislead, the 1966 death RIHARI - Makereta- showed her to be 87 years ... born circa 1879.
~ Lu
The name Wi is not always a shortened form of Wiremu. His name may actually have been 'Wi'. Similar to names today where say a boy named Jack does not always have his name as John, as was traditional, but be legally named Jack. I think there may be a clue in the fact that this registration is for 'Wi'. There is no 'of course' about it until the printout has been obtained and checked.
And to clarify, the sentences I wrote about the Rihari surname deaths registered in BDM did not say the the Makereta registration was the very old one.
1916/10962 Rihari Hemi 90YA
This is very old for instance, with a possible birth around 1826.
It is not the Royal 'we'. The genealogical threads and searching that I have participated in are always a shared endeavour. We build on the findings of others. So we have moved on in this thread from the odd surname names in some official documents etc to possibly looking at surnames such as Rehari & Rihari. I am surprised you needed to make this comment.
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I was only involved in this query right at the very beginning when we had no idea of dates or locations of the original marriage mentioned - in addition, assuming it was in the British Isles!
Can I say I think you 2 have done some amazing work and uncovered so much information. I had no clue just how complicated New Zealand research could be with the traditional Maori names.
I am SO impressed by all your hard work and the outcomes.
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Thank you.
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OP, re the Maori side of your family....if you descend from Wi/Wiremu Rihari/Rehari then perhaps it is time to dredge back the memories to see where the idea that this family came from Kaeo originated. A family story can be a very valuable clue if it can be pinned down. There is a huge amount of whakapapa tracing going on at the moment and many specialists and I think without some sort of 'explored' clue about location we could be looking in the wrong places and possibly standing on toes inadvertently.
Are you able to help further with this. Might mean going back to your own family/siblings etc and asking
'What did you hear Mum/Dad saying about where Wi came from?'
Once you get wide enough then possibly you will find that there is a record from some other part of Wi's family and you can clip your family's details on it that and get a record back to the eponymous ancestor/canoe.
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Hello again Barbara
Another means of advancing your search > and of ensuring that you have the correct parents for William REHARI [REHIAI ] > would be to obtain a copy of the 1893 marriage record to Lavinia HAMILTON.
We here, recommend purchasing the "printout" version of the record, which gives the maximum amount of information. Cost is NZ$ 25 ... and the printout can be emailed to you.
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/
As well as ordering information, the above link gives details of what was recorded on a New Zealand
B,D or M records in various eras.
I'm still looking for further info on Adam WALTERS for you.
~ Lu
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I was only involved in this query right at the very beginning when we had no idea of dates or locations of the original marriage mentioned - in addition, assuming it was in the British Isles!
Can I say I think you 2 have done some amazing work and uncovered so much information. I had no clue just how complicated New Zealand research could be with the traditional Maori names.
I am SO impressed by all your hard work and the outcomes.
Greetings.
By way of an explanation while New Zealand was very quick to adopt civil registration legislation in the 1850's, prior to that date B D & M recordings were only as good as the newly NZ created churches kept and saved records.
Missionaries wrote detailed reports back to their supporters but as Maori had no writtren language it was the phonetic spelling by the German, French, and other european pioneers that we have to go by.
With Maori, the first big written family genealogy recordings came about through our lengthy Maori Land Court records, followed by the first voting rights, and then the compulsory requirement for Maori Civil B D & M registrations about 1905 [from memory]
Therefore for those of us researching pioneers etc, spellings in print did not become standardised until post WW1.
Very simplified I know, but an indication how tough it can be.
Alan.
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Alan -- thank you for your interesting and eye-opening explanation. I had no idea that Maoris had no written language.
Research must be far more than just 'tough' -- I don't know how on earth you manage to do it.