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Title: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: DavyTee68 on Saturday 02 December 17 12:50 GMT (UK)
Need help to find John Oliver

All I know is Father is

 John Oliver (b) 1877 Gateshead, Durham who married 1st qtr 1901 Gateshead
Mary Edgar (b) 1881 Gateshead, Durham

They had two daughters
Annie Oliver (b) 1904 Gateshead
Sarah Jane Oliver (b) 1908 Gateshead

Found them all nay bother, Mothers maiden name Edgar, but I'm lost with John
Not sure of his DOB Or place of birth I just know he exsisted

Annie Living with Grandparents 1911 Census
Sarah Jane living with parents 1911 census


Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: groom on Saturday 02 December 17 12:54 GMT (UK)
Possible?


OLIVER, JOHN  ROBERT     mmn EDGAR     
1902  S Quarter
CHESTER LE STREET 
Volume 10A  Page 615   
 
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: JenB on Saturday 02 December 17 12:57 GMT (UK)
Possible?


OLIVER, JOHN  ROBERT     mmn EDGAR     
1902  S Quarter
CHESTER LE STREET 
Volume 10A  Page 615   Order
 

Death John Robert Oliver, 1st q 1903, Gateshead 10a, 532.

LInk to freeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: DavyTee68 on Saturday 02 December 17 12:59 GMT (UK)
Possible?


OLIVER, JOHN  ROBERT     mmn EDGAR     
1902  S Quarter
CHESTER LE STREET 
Volume 10A  Page 615   Order

Looks good
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: DavyTee68 on Saturday 02 December 17 13:00 GMT (UK)
Possible?


OLIVER, JOHN  ROBERT     mmn EDGAR     
1902  S Quarter
CHESTER LE STREET 
Volume 10A  Page 615   Order
 

Death John Robert Oliver, 1st q 1903, Gateshead 10a, 532.

John I'm after lived till he was old so is that the same John death as Chester le street above ?

That John Robert Oliver was born and died 1903 so Groom entry looks good
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: JenB on Saturday 02 December 17 13:03 GMT (UK)
John I'm after lived till he was old

You didn't tell us that.

What information have you got? When did he die? How old was he when he died?
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: groom on Saturday 02 December 17 13:04 GMT (UK)
Don't think that death is the same child

Deaths

OLIVER, JOHN  ROBERT     6     
GRO Reference: 1903  M Quarter in GATESHEAD  Volume 10A  Page 532

unless the 6 is 6 months!
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: DavyTee68 on Saturday 02 December 17 13:07 GMT (UK)
John I'm after lived till he was old

You didn't tell us that.

What information have you got? When did he die? How old was he when he died?

I'm getting the info from my wife. She remembers him and Sarah and Annie as old people in the 1980S
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: DavyTee68 on Saturday 02 December 17 13:07 GMT (UK)
The entry Groom found looks right ticks all the boxes
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: panda40 on Saturday 02 December 17 13:08 GMT (UK)
John Oliver married Mary Edgar 1901 Gateshead 10a 1222
I’m a bit confused is it John Oliver born 1877:that you are looking for or a child of John and Mary?
Regards panda
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: DavyTee68 on Saturday 02 December 17 13:10 GMT (UK)
John Oliver married Mary Edgar 1901 Gateshead 10a 1222
I’m a bit confused is it John Oliver born 1877:that you are looking for or a child of John and Mary?
Regards panda

The son of John Oliver and Mary Edgar yes
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: JenB on Saturday 02 December 17 13:12 GMT (UK)
The entry Groom found looks right ticks all the boxes

In that case you should be able to find him in 1911  :-\
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: JenB on Saturday 02 December 17 13:16 GMT (UK)
Don't think that death is the same child

Deaths

OLIVER, JOHN  ROBERT     6     
GRO Reference: 1903  M Quarter in GATESHEAD  Volume 10A  Page 532

unless the 6 is 6 months!

The 6 could be six months - I've seen examples quoted on Rootschat where 'months' have become 'years' in the GRO index.
On freeBMD the death is recorded as '0' years which indicates under 12 months  :-\
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: DavyTee68 on Saturday 02 December 17 13:17 GMT (UK)
The entry Groom found looks right ticks all the boxes

In that case you should be able to find him in 1911  :-\

Cant though  ???
For some reason their children were spread all over on census night
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: groom on Saturday 02 December 17 13:19 GMT (UK)
I think it may be wrong and this could be him!

 Births Jun 1913   
Oliver    John   mmn  Edgar   
Newcastle T.    10b   107   

It fits with a family in the 1939 register.  ;)                           
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: panda40 on Saturday 02 December 17 13:20 GMT (UK)
Well done groom just found the same one and it looks as though it ties in

Regards panda
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: groom on Saturday 02 December 17 13:23 GMT (UK)
So possibly the first child died and they named a later one after him. How many children does she say she has on the 1911?
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: panda40 on Saturday 02 December 17 13:25 GMT (UK)
The 1911 has been completed badly with information written in the wrong columns only 1alive 1died is give but two living Children are given on census. Other possible children can be found on GRO index.
Regards panda
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: JenB on Saturday 02 December 17 13:30 GMT (UK)
Well done groom  :D

DavyTee68, here is a link to the GRO index which groom searched to find the birth, which seems to be the right one. https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: DavyTee68 on Saturday 02 December 17 13:32 GMT (UK)
Well done groom  :D

DavyTee68, here is a link to the GRO index which groom searched to find the birth, which seems to be the right one. https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

Excellent thank you folks
is there a link to 1939 Register entry please

Tanfield Road is that the entry for 1939 ?
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: DavyTee68 on Saturday 02 December 17 13:47 GMT (UK)
Just got birthdays of the 1939 register thank you very much for mentioning that  :)
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: groom on Saturday 02 December 17 14:14 GMT (UK)
To round it off, here is his death


John Oliver
Birth :   16 Mar 1913
Death Age:   82
Registration Date:   Feb 1996
Gateshead
Tyne and Wear
Register Number:   B57F
District and Subdistrict:   0511B
Entry Number:   154
Title: Re: John Oliver Where are you ?
Post by: DavyTee68 on Saturday 02 December 17 16:35 GMT (UK)
To round it off, here is his death


John Oliver
Birth :   16 Mar 1913
Death Age:   82
Registration Date:   Feb 1996
Gateshead
Tyne and Wear
Register Number:   B57F
District and Subdistrict:   0511B
Entry Number:   154

Thank you Jan that was nice of you  :)