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Title: A question about English birth registrations
Post by: belindy on Sunday 03 December 17 09:53 GMT (UK)
Hi everyone,
If a married lady has a child to another man what name would be on the birth certificate?

Also what surname would the child usually have?

This was between 1920-1922.

Thank you
Belinda
Title: Re: A question about English birth registrations
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 03 December 17 10:28 GMT (UK)
Normally the child was assumed to be that of her husband.
No questions were asked!

Unless the actual father was at the Registration, in which case he would be named.
After 1874 a putative father had to be present at the Registration, and had to give his consent.
Title: Re: A question about English birth registrations
Post by: belindy on Sunday 03 December 17 10:43 GMT (UK)
And by 1920 ALL children had to be registered am I correct?
Title: Re: A question about English birth registrations
Post by: stanmapstone on Sunday 03 December 17 10:57 GMT (UK)
All children had to be registered from the 1st July 1837

Stan
Title: Re: A question about English birth registrations
Post by: belindy on Sunday 03 December 17 11:00 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much.

Now it is just a matter of finding the birth!

Sorry one more question. If the mother was a widow but not married to the father of the child how would the child typically be registered?

Belinda
Title: Re: A question about English birth registrations
Post by: nanny jan on Sunday 03 December 17 11:01 GMT (UK)
However....if Mrs Smith was living with Mr Brown as his wife and using that surname that is how the child would be registered.

The Registrar would take what the informant said as accurate.
Title: Re: A question about English birth registrations
Post by: stanmapstone on Sunday 03 December 17 11:03 GMT (UK)
The information on  certificates is only as good as that supplied by the people involved. The civil registration system in England and Wales is  'informant driven' that is the registrar can only put what he is told.

Stan
Title: Re: A question about English birth registrations
Post by: belindy on Sunday 03 December 17 11:21 GMT (UK)
Thank you all so much. You have been very helpful!
Title: Re: A question about English birth registrations
Post by: AntonyMMM on Sunday 03 December 17 11:24 GMT (UK)
Birth registrations (up to 1969) show no surname at all for the child, only their given names.

The question is whether the father can be included on the entry, and is so how that entry is subsequently indexed.

A married woman registering a birth can give the name of her husband as the father without him being present. She can give the name of another man, but he would have to be present to have his name recorded.

Title: Re: A question about English birth registrations
Post by: medpat on Sunday 03 December 17 11:53 GMT (UK)
I had a great great great aunt widowed  after 2 years marriage, had a son during the marriage. Four years and six years after husband's death had a daughter then a son. Three years after second son born married and had more children.

The first three children kept their surname after mother's second marriage - the name of her late husband.

I sent for the daughter's BC and she had her first name, mother's married name and MMN is there BUT no name/occupation for the father. Child known under mother's late husband's surname for census records. Birth registered under mother's married name.

Title: Re: A question about English birth registrations
Post by: Jolyon on Sunday 03 December 17 12:04 GMT (UK)
Belinda,

As a matter of interest I have an instance in my family exactly as you describe (1940s) and the child was registered twice, once to each possible father.

Jolyon
Title: Re: A question about English birth registrations
Post by: AntonyMMM on Sunday 03 December 17 12:20 GMT (UK)
Belinda,

As a matter of interest I have an instance in my family exactly as you describe (1940s) and the child was registered twice, once to each possible father.

Jolyon

Have you got copies of both certificates, or is that an assumption based on indexing ?

If it is two separate entries (and not just one entry indexed twice) then it will be a re-registration to add an unmarried father, or legitimise a birth after the parents marriage. The wording on each entry  is crucial to understanding what happened.

Title: Re: A question about English birth registrations
Post by: Andrew Tarr on Sunday 03 December 17 23:02 GMT (UK)
All children had to be registered from the 1st July 1837

Though (like anything else) it doesn't mean every one was.  It's a fair assumption though.  Usually you only have to worry about how the name was spelt.