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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: Taylor94 on Tuesday 05 December 17 15:14 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I've recently been researching more on my grt grandad Horace Grocock's military career and noticed that him and his family are not on the 1939 census but I've found 2 Royal Artillery Attestations 1938/1939 states:
Attestation Event 1938:
1571091 - Horace Grocock - C.D - To Kings Regiment - 17.11.43
It seems he was transferred to Kings but I didn't think Kings was formed till 1958?
Even though it says event 1938 it seems to have happened 17/11/1943 did the Papers start in 1938 or did his transfer happen then? I cant seem to find when he joined so I might have to order his record from MOD which I'm also going to order my grandfathers (Horace's Son) records as he was in the RAF and stationed in Bahrain,Cyprus,Singapore.
The other Attestation is:
Attestation Event 1939:
989938 - Horace Grocock - Discharged Age Limit 1956 - R.A.FLD 11.10.44 - TO CD. 10.3.41 (This has a pencil line through it) - 31.3 46 ZT?
Could anyone tell me what any of the letters mean? I think I've read ZT is transferred to Territorial but I'm not sure.
Also in regards to his wife and son (My grandad) not appearing on 1939 census is it possible they were with Horace and if that's the case wouldn't he have been higher than a private as I didn't think privates could bring families with them or maybe they could if they had one?
Horace was born Leicester 1911
Appreciate any help
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When/where was Horace born and who did he marry :-\
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Sorry forgot to add:
he was born 7 Jan 1911 Leicester, Leicestershire. Parents: Arthur Taylor Grocock and Bertha May Frearson.
Horace Married Doris May Kirby Dec 1935 Leicester, Leicestershire
My Grandad John Michael Grocock was born Jul 1936 Leicester.
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My father also appears on that Royal Artillery Attestation list Event date 1938 :) I have just looked at his Army records and he was not 'called up' until May 1940. The listing on F M P for him shows a date of May 1943 which was around the time he was granted an emergency commission. Looks like the event date on FindMyPast may be wrong
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Thank you for your reply Rosie, I assume when you are referring to Horace as being called up May 1940 can I ask where you found this as I couldnt see it on Attestation Is there a way to view other records online for him?. You say he was granted a commission which means he was made an Officer I think, going by what you've said it seems he served in Royal Artillery from 1940 to 1956 going by discharge? I'm still confused about the transferred to Kings Regt as cant seem to see anything Kings and Artillery related.
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could it be Kings Troop, Royal Horse Artillery?
davie (ex Gunner)
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Hi Davie
Could possibly be I noticed on one record it says R.A.FLD 11.10.44 which Ive discovered means Royal Artillery Field Artillery.
It says transferred to Kings Regt 17.11.43 but looked and Kings Troop wasnt formed till 1946.
He could have been transferred to Kings Reg Liverpool but why would he still be listed under Artillery as Kings Liverpool was a Line Infantry regt I think, Also going by what rosie said as him being given commission which I think is being made an officer? in 1943 same year he was Transferred?
Im not sure if you can even get a hold of his record anywhere.
My dad said he remembers his dad having his medals but doesnt remember much of him as Horace died 1977 and my dad was born 1970
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I was not referring to Horace being called up but was comparing what you have found with my fathers entry on the same database and giving examples from my fathers records which I have from the Ministry of Defence
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Ah right, Sorry I read it as if you were saying about Horace again.
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On the 1938 Attestation for Horace it definitely looks like he is transferred to Kings as it says "To Kings Regt 17.11.43" I've looked at some abbreviations and looking at Horace's 1939 attestation it looks like he was sent to Royal Artillery Field Artillery 11.10.1944 and sent to Coast Defence 10.3.1941 but this has a pencil line through it. Then stamped as Discharged age limit 1956 when Horace was 45 yrs old. Still doesn't explain why he isn't on 1939 census I wonder if he was in military before 1941 and his family was with him as his wife and son are nowhere to be found either in 1939.
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On the same attestation page as Horace, against 1571096 Allen it's written "to K.O.R.R. 17.11.43" in what appears to be identical handwriting as the entry for Horace. Given that, I suggest its the kings own royal regiment that is meant by "To kings regt.".
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Hi
I have deleted my earlier post, sorry I was not able to view the record at the time of posting it. It is definitely Kings Regiment.
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Was his wife's name Florence and was he born 7 Sep 1911?
MaxD
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Sorry forgot to add:
he was born 7 Jan 1911 Leicester, Leicestershire. Parents: Arthur Taylor Grocock and Bertha May Frearson.
Horace Married Doris May Kirby Dec 1935 Leicester, Leicestershire
My Grandad John Michael Grocock was born Jul 1936 Leicester.
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Whoops - sorry, missed it! Thank you Ma'am.
MaxD
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Thought I would update.
I eventually found Horace in 1939. He is living in Leicester as a Builders labourer and is also listed as 'ARP Demolition Part-Time, Rescue.
So not sure if he is the one attested in 1938?