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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: philipsearching on Tuesday 05 December 17 23:28 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to figure out if this marriage refers to my multiple-great-uncle. Any advice will be gratefully received.
Thomas TREWARTHA was baptised 30 Oct 1822 in Gwennap, Cornwall, son of Abraham TREWARTHA and Sophia STAPLE. I can't find a record for a death or marriage in England, nor have I found him on a census.
FindMyPast lists a marriage:
Thomas, age 25, son of ABRAHAM TREWARTHO to Austy, age 18, daughter of John WHITTY (Limerick/Tipperary vol10 p431)
Two questions puzzle me:
1) Is TREWARTHO a name found in or around Tipperary?
2) If this is my Thomas (who was from a mining family) why would he go to Ireland?
Any ideas would be much appreciated.
Philip
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The marriage cert should be free to view before the end of 2018
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l57/
The name wouldn't be common anywhere in Ireland.
A Elisha Trewartha married in Dublin in 1868 and had twin sons. 1871
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Hollyford in Co. Tipperary had a large copper mine at that time and had miners over from Cornwall and Wales . It was the only Parish in County Tipperary that increased its population between 1840 and 1850 as the famine had occurred at that time
P J
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Hi,
The record for the marriage says,
Registration District.......Tipperary.
This means Tipperary Town in County Tipperary.
I see John Whitty in GriffithsValuation in 1850 in the townland of BALLYNAGRANA.
This is South East of Tipperary Town.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=ballynagrana+tipperary&form=EDGTCT&qs=PF&cvid=c6e709f5f12f4dbe8b56465ef48eb6ab&cc=GB&setlang=en-US
Not far from County Limerick.
Elisha who married in Dublin, wife was Mary Frances Lennon, his father was Mark and her Father was Peter.
No other results for Thomas, sorry.
Maggsie
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Hollyford in Co. Tipperary had a large copper mine at that time and had miners over from Cornwall and Wales . It was the only Parish in County Tipperary that increased its population between 1840 and 1850 as the famine had occurred at that time
P J
I had never heard of the Hollyford copper mining. That would definitely explain how the marriage might be for my Cornish ancestor.
It is quite possible that Thomas went to Tipperary to mine copper, married a local girl, then emigrated with her. Miners in this family wander all over the world (Australia, the USA, Chile and other countries).
Many thanks to everyone for your responses.
Philip
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Maggsie
This may be the John Whitty but that Ballynagrana is in Carrick- On- Suir which in in South Tipperary and John is in the Town of Carrick .
If John is the father and Thomas was working in Hollyford maybe it would have made sense they got married in Tipperary as they should have married in Carrick the brides home town
P J
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Area covered by Tipperary Registration District
http://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php#
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Area covered by Tipperary Registration District
http://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php#
Many thanks for the link.
I won't get into much detail about the area. Although my ancestors came from and went to Ireland a fair bit in the C19th, Thomas seems to be the only one in Tipperary. Once I fugure out when and where he died, I can work from both ends to fill in the gaps.
A Elisha Trewartha married in Dublin in 1868 and had twin sons. 1871
I have tracked Elisha's ancestry back to before 1700 - he might link to my direct line with a common ancestor c1650 but I haven't proved a .link yet.
As ever, a huge thank you to everone who has responded.
Philip
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Just an added detail for those following the thread.
There are two places on the old maps in the mopuntains between Nenagh and Cashel marked coppermines and Silvermines (also a proper name found in Parish Records and the Census.
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I have just received from Maggsie information about the births of Elisha and Mary's children in Dublin - Francis 1870, Peter 1873 and Mary Ann 1874. Elisha is listed as a Corporal in the Artillery.
This is wonderful. And how rare to find a Trewartha outside Cornwall who was not a miner!
Thanks also to Shay123 for the geographical info.
Philip
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Much easier if links are posted to what has been found rather than all the "Cloak & Dagger" stuff!!
Keeps everyone in the picture...
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lrj/ is the Link to what was found.... no reason for not posting them to board directly!!
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Church Baptism, Marriage and Burial results for TREWARTHA
Displaying results 1 - 2 of 2. Link to them http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lrk/
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For those following this thread the lineage I am confident about is:
Sebastian TREWARTHA m 9 Jul 1757 Gwennap Sarah KELLA
Mark TREWARTHA (bap 24 Jul 1780 Gwennap son of Sebastian and Sarah) m 4 Oct 1800 Gwennap Mary HITCHENS
Mark TREWARTHA (bap 31 Aug 1809 Gwennap, son of Mark and Mary) m Gwennap 6 Mar 1838 Elizabeth CURNOW
Elisha TREWARTHA (bap 20 Mar 1818 son of Mark and Mary)
Elisha TREWARTHA (b Jun qtr 1838 Redruth son of Mark and Elizabeth) m Dublin 1868 Mary Frances LENNON
Abraham TREWARTHA m Sophia STAPLE
Thomas TREWARTHA (bap 30 Oct 1822 Gwennap son of Abraham and Sophia) m Austy WHITTY (Limerick/Tipperary vol10 p431)
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Much easier if links are posted to what has been found rather than all the "Cloak & Dagger" stuff!!
Keeps everyone in the picture...
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lrj/ is the Link to what was found.... no reason for not posting them to board directly!!
You miss the point that information not appropriate to be posted publicly may be sent in a private message.
I take the point that posting links to a thread is useful, but your sarcasm is not appreciated and not worthy of an experienced Rootschatter.
Philip
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I posted Links to information about the births of Elisha and Mary's children in Dublin - Francis 1870, Peter 1873 and Mary Ann 1874. Elisha is listed as a Corporal in the Artillery!!
Nothing inappropriate there and others need to be kept in the picture as to what has been found!
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Philip
On the day that's in it , when we should be apologizing to Welshmen for kidnapping a young man called Patrick in the fifth century and he coming back some years later to spread Christianity to us here in Ireland.
Happy St. Patrick's day
P J
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I am the great grand daughter of Elisha and Mary Trewartha. The grandfather is Peter Trewartha.
There are 5 children, Francis, Mark, Peter, Mary-Ann and Colin.
I am desperately trying to find out more info on Peter Lennon, Mary Lennon and the wife/mother.
Gail
South Africa
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I am the great grand daughter of Elisha and Mary Trewartha. The grandfather is Peter Trewartha.
There are 5 children, Francis, Mark, Peter, Mary-Ann and Colin.
I am desperately trying to find out more info on Peter Lennon, Mary Lennon and the wife/mother.
Gail
South Africa
Hallo, Gail, and a warm welcome to Rootschat.
My line comes from a different branch of the Trewarthas of Gwennap. I haven't done much work in following the line of Elisha Trewartha and Mary, but I'll do some digging and see what I can find.
Philip
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Hi Gail and welcome :)
According to 1911, Mary was born Thomastown, Kilkenny.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7L1-VCF
If you have not used Family Search before, you will need to register but it is free.
Heywood
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Mary’s marriage witness was Margaret Lennon.
Here is a marriage for Margaret Lannen with father Peter, a butcher which is the same as your Mary
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1876/11162/8089450.pdf
(Again for this site https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/captcha.jsp you have to solve a captcha and sign in but no registration)
According to the marriage, Peter Lannen was still alive.
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This LINK http://www.rootschat.com/links/01p0h/
will get you all Registered BDM's for them (1864+) and one can select Births etc and also get them by decade.....
It is Irish Govt BDM Website, safe to use, Certs are Free.
There are some with Returns Page No that don't have Images at moment, check Link every few months if you want to look for any updates.
Moving around through results is quite easy.....
Change Surname if needed!
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Death of Peter Lannan, 76 yrs, Widower Butcher of Thomastown
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1879/06514/4876170.pdf
The informant is Thomas Lannan, son.
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the above Peter may have had a son Peter born 1850s he married a Mary Aylward here or America 1870s had 8 children born and alive in 1911 7 born America 1 born Kilkenny
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Thomastown/Sogan_Street/1455469/
missing is a son Peter born about 1877 America
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Thomastown/Thomastown/532007/
possible birth for William 1884
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27TY-ZHW