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Title: Vivians, Ivan Henry
Post by: ceecee93 on Wednesday 06 December 17 00:38 GMT (UK)
Hi i am looking for any information about Ivan Henry Vivian parents
Born 1917 died 19/10/1994
married twice
6 kids in total 3 to each marriage
i can not find anything anywhere seems either no one is doing his side or just not doing it publicly
i have no family to ask about him either :(

hope some one can help

Thanks
Title: Re: Vivians, Ivan Henry
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 06 December 17 00:43 GMT (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat  :)

What country did Ivan live in, and was his surname Vivian (as per your post) or Vivians (as per your heading)?
Title: Re: Vivians, Ivan Henry
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 06 December 17 00:49 GMT (UK)
There's an old post on an Ancestry message board from someone who is a grandchild of his, saying he was born 25 Oct 1916 and died 19 Oct 1999.  Suggested father is Thomas Henry Vivian.  Again there is no indication of geographical location.
Title: Re: Vivians, Ivan Henry
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 06 December 17 00:52 GMT (UK)
Are we talking about New Zealand?
Title: Re: Vivians, Ivan Henry
Post by: ceecee93 on Wednesday 06 December 17 00:58 GMT (UK)
sorry buried in andersons cemetery dunedin otago new zealand
Title: Re: Vivians, Ivan Henry
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 06 December 17 00:59 GMT (UK)
Possible birth as Ian Henry Vivian, Oct-Nov-Dec 1916 Thames, Auckland, NZ.
Title: Re: Vivians, Ivan Henry
Post by: ceecee93 on Wednesday 06 December 17 01:01 GMT (UK)
that's really interesting where did you find that?

Possible birth as Ian Henry Vivian,  1916 Thames, Auckland, NZ.
Title: Re: Vivians, Ivan Henry
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 06 December 17 01:08 GMT (UK)
Ancestry has some NZ records you may wish to have a look at, including the birth index.

Electoral roll for Dunedin, 1946 - you may want to investigate possible family links between these households:

71 Maclaggan St

Ivan Henry Vivian, factory worker
Elizabeth Emma Vivian, married

131 Maclaggan St

Clarence St. Clair Vivian, labourer
Winifred Isabell Vivian, married

22 Wallace St

Bertha Vivian, widow
Constance Raemar Vivian, spinster

57 Prospect Bank

Thomas Errol Vivian, labourer
Margaret Ethel Vivian, married

12 Canongate

Georgina Vivian, widow
Title: Re: Vivians, Ivan Henry
Post by: ceecee93 on Wednesday 06 December 17 01:13 GMT (UK)
thank you
I will be attempting to order his birth and death certs after Christmas holidays as that may be the only way for sure i will know who his parents were then i can go from there

thanks for your help
Title: Re: Vivians, Ivan Henry
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 06 December 17 01:17 GMT (UK)
You're welcome  :)
Title: Re: Vivians, Ivan Henry
Post by: rosball on Wednesday 06 December 17 01:35 GMT (UK)
Here is NZ BDM. Free to search https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/

Birth 25 oct 1916 Ivan Henry VIVIAN, mother Bertha, father Thomas reg 1976/134424

(Birth reg amended in 1976 ? )

Ros
Title: Re: Vivians, Ivan Henry
Post by: ceecee93 on Wednesday 06 December 17 02:05 GMT (UK)
yeah i seen that and it confused the heck out of me and there are also no other children from a Bertha and thomas just Bertha and stephen

Here is NZ BDM. Free to search https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/

Birth 25 oct 1916 Ivan Henry VIVIAN, mother Bertha, father Thomas reg 1976/134424

(Birth reg amended in 1976 ? )

Ros
Title: Re: Vivians, Ivan Henry
Post by: rosball on Wednesday 06 December 17 02:18 GMT (UK)
Birth registrations can be amended later for several reasons.  One example is if the child is born before the marriage and registered in motherís name , then after the marriage it can be reregistered in fatherís name.  Usually this happens within a few years ... it is surprising that it was amended 60 years later.   Perhaps there was a typo on original registration eg Ian instead of Ivan

Ros
Title: Re: Vivians, Ivan Henry
Post by: rosball on Wednesday 06 December 17 02:30 GMT (UK)
There are 2 divorces for Ivan Henry VIVIAN on here https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/SimpleSearchResults.do

One is in 1961 and the other in 1975-1978, both in Dunedin High Court

Ros
Title: Re: Vivians, Ivan Henry
Post by: ceecee93 on Wednesday 06 December 17 03:03 GMT (UK)
yip so Ivan was my grand father his second wife is my Nana but she has memory loss i was 1 when he died i don't know any of his children from his first marriage and and my dad n aunty's don't know much either all i know is he was a painter and died in a rest home he was 50 when my father his youngest was born but no one has details on his lineage
Title: Re: Vivians, Ivan Henry
Post by: rosball on Wednesday 06 December 17 03:17 GMT (UK)
Are you able to go to the archives to view (and photograph) these documents?  If not I believe there is someone on NZ board who does so.

The divorce papers should have marriage certificate (which will have parents names) and also details of the children.  (Well Australian ones do - havenít seen any NZ ones but I assume they are similar)

Ros
Title: Re: Vivians, Ivan Henry
Post by: ceecee93 on Wednesday 06 December 17 03:33 GMT (UK)
Have just posted in the new zealand forum did not know it was there thanks alot :)
Title: Re: Vivians, Ivan Henry
Post by: rosball on Wednesday 06 December 17 05:46 GMT (UK)
Good luck  :)
Title: Re: Vivians, Ivan Henry
Post by: Janette on Wednesday 06 December 17 19:27 GMT (UK)
thank you
I will be attempting to order his birth and death certs after Christmas holidays as that may be the only way for sure i will know who his parents were then i can go from there

thanks for your help

When ordering from BDM's it is better to order the "printout"as it is a photocopy of the register entry and is not prone to transcription errors,

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: Vivians, Ivan Henry
Post by: Janette on Wednesday 06 December 17 19:30 GMT (UK)
Are you able to go to the archives to view (and photograph) these documents?  If not I believe there is someone on NZ board who does so.

The divorce papers should have marriage certificate (which will have parents names) and also details of the children.  (Well Australian ones do - havenít seen any NZ ones but I assume they are similar)

Ros

NZ divorce records now have a 100 year restriction on them

    
Access Statement:

Divorce files are restricted for 100 years from the date of last paper. Access requires written permission from the Dunedin High Court.

Dissolution of Marriage or Civil Union Records

Under both High Court Rules and Family Court Rules former parties to a marriage or a civil union have an unrestricted right to obtain a copy of the order dissolving the marriage or civil union. These dissolution orders can be viewed at, or copies obtained from Archives New Zealand on production of sufficient proof of identity (photo identification e.g. passport/driversí license).

Cheers Janette