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Title: Duplicate entries in GRO
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 07 December 17 10:17 GMT (UK)
As part of my transcribing for FreeBMD, I have come across something a little strange.  :-\

Because it is Marriages in 1969, I won't give the names.

I have two entries for the same person - one in Taunton District and the other in Wells District.  Both page numbers are identical.  I have cross-checked for the partner, and again there are two entries in Taunton and Wells and, of course, identical page numbers.

I did wonder whether the two Districts merged, but both are in existence until 1974.

Any thoughts, anyone  :)
Title: Re: Duplicate entries in GRO
Post by: dawnsh on Thursday 07 December 17 10:36 GMT (UK)
maybe there was an error compiling the indexes and so there are 2 entries but only one registration.

Have you taken it up with your freebmd syndicate co-ordinator?

They will advise you to enter both whatever the scenario.
Title: Re: Duplicate entries in GRO
Post by: Girl Guide on Thursday 07 December 17 17:25 GMT (UK)
One possibility comes to mind.  Could the bride and groom have been of different faiths so they married twice?  Once in the relevant faith church in the Taunton district and the other faith church in the Wells district.

I vaguely remember reading somewhere that some couples did this to accommodate the families wishes.
Title: Re: Duplicate entries in GRO
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 07 December 17 18:30 GMT (UK)
Apologies for the delay, I did what I always hate other people doing - start a thread and then disappear  :-[ :-[

I have entered both versions, but I was just a little confused.

So we have

John DOE    WHITE     Taunton 1234
John DOE    WHITE    Wells  1234

Alice WHITE    DOE    Taunton 1234
Alice WHITE    DOE     Wells   1234

Title: Re: Duplicate entries in GRO
Post by: Girl Guide on Thursday 07 December 17 19:22 GMT (UK)
Well you could contact the GRO and ask them about this and see what they say.  That's assuming they are willing to give you that information.

The distance between the two places is between 28 and 35 miles depending on what route you take.  So not exactly close by.   ???

Title: Re: Duplicate entries in GRO
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 07 December 17 21:41 GMT (UK)
one in Taunton District and the other in Wells District. Both page numbers are identical.

They are both volume 7c.
If the page number is identical, then for one of the districts the number will be outside the page range?
Title: Re: Duplicate entries in GRO
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 07 December 17 22:05 GMT (UK)
Partial image to show what I mean. 
Title: Re: Duplicate entries in GRO
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 07 December 17 22:15 GMT (UK)
I think it may end up being outside the page range of both.
There's another strange entry/entries for that same quarter.
A lady or ladies, first names beginning J A, with entries for both Wells and Taunton and with the same page number
In that case the spouse's surnames are different!
What was going on?
John
Title: Re: Duplicate entries in GRO
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 07 December 17 22:21 GMT (UK)
I think it may end up being outside the page range of both.

Correct that quickly! The page number belongs in Wells
Title: Re: Duplicate entries in GRO
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 07 December 17 22:39 GMT (UK)
In that case the spouse's surnames are different!
But the first name is the same
Title: Re: Duplicate entries in GRO
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 07 December 17 22:52 GMT (UK)
And this is the partial image of the spouse.

Title: Re: Duplicate entries in GRO
Post by: Girl Guide on Thursday 07 December 17 23:05 GMT (UK)
Just out of interest I entered 1969 and 7c 1431 in to free bmd and the registration district came up as Salisbury!  Clicking on the page number does not bring up any other names, just the one set of bride and groom names.

So what exactly does 7c cover?
Title: Re: Duplicate entries in GRO
Post by: Girl Guide on Thursday 07 December 17 23:19 GMT (UK)
Hmm, I can't come up with this Doe/White marriage on either Free bmd or FindMyPast for 1969.  Why not I wonder?   ::)
Title: Re: Duplicate entries in GRO
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 07 December 17 23:27 GMT (UK)
Hi
I think FreeBMD is still finishing off transcribing the entries for relevant quarter! So if we put the references in there we probably get zero results at the moment. We will just have to wait for them to finish it!

Both Taunton and Wells were under volume 7c in the GRO indexes at the time. So, theoretically, the two districts couldn't have the same page number.
For example, marriages in March quarter 1969 on FreeBMD
Last for Taunton is 7c 901
First for Wells is 7c 903

Hence the "there's been a mix up" theory!
John
Title: Re: Duplicate entries in GRO
Post by: BumbleB on Friday 08 December 17 09:00 GMT (UK)
Hmm, I can't come up with this Doe/White marriage on either Free bmd or FindMyPast for 1969.  Why not I wonder?   ::)

Very sorry - I used DOE as an imaginary surname, since it is possible that the couple are still alive. :(

7c is one of the codes used by GRO for Registration Districts - https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/images/GRO%20Registration%20District%20Book.pdf

Title: Re: Duplicate entries in GRO
Post by: dawnsh on Friday 08 December 17 09:30 GMT (UK)
Both the Taunton & Wells entries can be found on Ancestry using 7c 1431 as the keyword.

I also checked 1429, 1430, 1432 and 1433 but they are all recorded as Wells RD.

Taunton's page range may end at 1411 and Wells starts at 1413

so as I suggested before there seems to have been a problem compiling the index but there will only have been one marriage.
Title: Re: Duplicate entries in GRO
Post by: BumbleB on Friday 08 December 17 09:38 GMT (UK)
Thanks Dawn.  I just thought that it was strange.  I've obviously come across multiple entries for the same couples, due to name changes, but they've always been in the same Registration District.  It was the two Districts but same page numbers that raised my nosiness  :-X

Title: Re: Duplicate entries in GRO
Post by: Petros on Monday 25 December 17 09:26 GMT (UK)
I've seen that once or twice in searching all entries of uncommon surnames