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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: philrmoon on Thursday 07 December 17 15:16 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Need some assistance please
My g x 2 grandfather Michael Sullivan was born in Merthyr Tydfil circa 1862 to
Daniel Sullivan born about 1823 Castletown co cork and Mary ( Abbott ) born about 1831
Michael was married after 1881 as I have found him in 1881 census with his mother and brothers
By this time his father looks to have passed away has the head of household is shown as john sullivan ( so his father Daniel looks to have died between 1871 and 1881 )
I am trying to find who Michael married
We were told Mary was murphy but had married about 2 or 3 times ??
When Michael died about 1896 his wife married again my great grandfather born circa 1886 is living with his mother who has married after Michaels death
A bit of a saga
Best regards Phil
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One of his children's births will give you the maiden name of Mary - is that where Murphy has come from?
I take the point she may have had more than one husband.
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Michael was married after 1881 as I have found him in 1881 census with his mother and brothers
By this time his father looks to have passed away has the head of household is shown as john sullivan ( so his father Daniel looks to have died between 1871 and 1881 )
It's odd that Mary is shown as the wife of John and he is also called Sullivan - is this a different man as certain details match with Daniel - have you got a death for father Daniel.
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There are a few marriages in Merthyr 1881-1891 where possible brides are called Mary :-\
Can you give details from the 1891 for Michael and Mary with any children please.
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Was your great grandfather John?
There are 2 births Merthyr Dec 1887 - one has no mothers name the other has Sullivan which could lead to the marriage in Dec 1885 to Mary Sullivan but just speculating.
In which case Nora could be Honora Mar 1890 mothers name Sullivan
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When Michael died about 1896 his wife married again my great grandfather born circa 1886 is living with his mother who has married after Michaels death
Who did she marry - was it before 1901?
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Hi
I will talk again with my cousin
John Sullivan but he is nearly 80
So will be a bit of a struggle
I know his dad was James born Merthyr 1909 approx
James sister Mary Emma born 1906 Merthyr
Their parents john and Mary Sullivan
Mary was born 1883 a jarrett
John born about 1886 to Michael Sullivan and Mary ???
Michael died about 1896 Merthyr
Hope this helps
I will get some more when I speak to my cousin
Regards Phil
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Well I got hold of another cousin who gave me the following
Daniel Sullivan. ( Michaels dad ) born in 1823 cork died in Merthyr Tydfil 3/1/1875 aged 51
Married Mary Abbott in adrigole cork 1849
Michael born 26/10/1862 Merthyr Tydfil
Died 1898 Merthyr Tydfil aged 37
Married ???
To Mary ???
My great grandfather was known both as john and William Sullivan born 1883 Merthyr Tydfil
Married 1906 Merthyr Tydfil
To Mary Ann jarrett
So its who Michaels wife Mary we ate trying to find
If she was a murphy
And how many times married
When died
Quite a task
Thanks
Regards Phil
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So as I said the births of the children of Michael and Mary will give her maiden name - is this where Murphy came from?
Was it John and Nora (Honora) as suggested earlier with mothers name Sullivan or is this not the right family?
Any brothers and sisters of your great grandfather will corroborate the mothers maiden name.
I take the point Mary may have married more than once but this will be a starting point.
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Hi
Yes births of Michael Sullivan and Mary ??
John ( or William as he was known sometimes) my great grandfather abt 1887
Nora ( or honora ) abt 1895 ??
Jeremiah abt 1892 ??
May have been a Philip abt 1895 ( not sure )
Hope this helps
Regards Phil
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So the 2 births I found before with mothers name Sullivan?
Will have a look for the other 2 you mention.
But it would help to know who Mary married after Michael died and where your great grandfather is in 1901 - you said he was with his mother and her new husband? Under what surname are they?
Sorry for all the questions but needs must!
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Right yes Jeremiah born Sep 1891 also has mothers maiden name Sullivan.
As does Phillip born Sep 1893.
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Hi
I had a further look I'm the 1901 census
Because Jeremiah was one of Michael's children also
1901 census
In dowlais Merthyr
Living at 67 ( can't read the next word ) lower high street
Upper Merthyr Tydfil
John Sullivan( ???? What relation )
30 a ( not able to read the first bit )rails puddle born Blackpool Ireland ??
Margaret Sullivan ( wife ) 20 born dowlais Merthyr
Johney Sullivan 15 nephew general labourer born dowlais Glamorgan
Norah Sullivan 10 niece scholar born dowlais Glamorgan
Jeremiah Sullivan 8 nephew scholar born dowlais Glamorgan
I am sure this is my g x 2 grandfather and my cousins g grandfather ( john Sullivan born about 1886 also known as William )
Hope this helps
If the Mother's maiden name is also Sullivan to
John
Norah
And
Jeremiah
Is it possible Michael's wife Mary born about 1864 in cork
Used her married name Sullivan as her maiden name
Or
Was married before she married Michael ??
Quite a saga this
Best regards Phil
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Hi
Forgot to add Philip born 1893 might have died before 1901 census ??
Regards Phil
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Hi
I found a marriage December 1885 in Merthyr Tydfil
Michael Sullivan to Mary Sullivan
This could be the correct one as john was born about 1886
Need to find who were Mary's parents
Or whether she married before she married Michael
Regards Phil
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Yes I mentioned that marriage earlier.
As I understand it the mothers maiden name on the births of any children (with however many husbands) will be the same so Mary started life as Sullivan.
I'm afraid you would need the marriage certificate to confirm it's the correct Michael and if so it will show the name of her father also.
But it would help to know who Mary married after Michael died and where your great grandfather is in 1901 - you said he was with his mother and her new husband? Under what surname are they?
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Hi
I thought he was in the 1901 census
But he is shown with his siblings in Merthyr shown as nephews and nieces with their uncle john ??
Johney (john )
Norah
And jeremiah
Message above
Regards Phil